[Hooky]

guys,

i've been reading all the posts on this forum for the last hour, without any answer to my question. So unless I'm blind I'm going to ask a question.

I have the 26DX7 and i've hooked it up to HDPC I just built.

D Core 3.4GB
512MB Gainwood Geforce 7900GT
1GB 533Mhz ram

Plays HD perfectly on the PC. However I am having problems playing it on the DX7 through hdmi. I have set the card to output 1366x768 and other resolutions but no matter what i try I can not get it to display the PC screen without slightly over scaling it. Movies look great on the screen but whatever i try 1920x1080 etc.. they still slightly over shoot the screen. I've even been playing around with powerstrip to see if it can reduce it down to fit the screen. has anyone else had this problem?? if so did they fix it? what settings did they use on Powerstrip?

Many thanks

Hooky

[hjni]

I have sky+ and will be buying the 26" dx7 in about 2 weeks, what is the best cable for optimising the picture quality?

[stu.artd]

Originally Posted by Hooky

guys,

i've been reading all the posts on this forum for the last hour, without any answer to my question. So unless I'm blind I'm going to ask a question.

I have the 26DX7 and i've hooked it up to HDPC I just built.

D Core 3.4GB
512MB Gainwood Geforce 7900GT
1GB 533Mhz ram

Plays HD perfectly on the PC. However I am having problems playing it on the DX7 through hdmi. I have set the card to output 1366x768 and other resolutions but no matter what i try I can not get it to display the PC screen without slightly over scaling it. Movies look great on the screen but whatever i try 1920x1080 etc.. they still slightly over shoot the screen. I've even been playing around with powerstrip to see if it can reduce it down to fit the screen. has anyone else had this problem?? if so did they fix it? what settings did they use on Powerstrip?

Many thanks

Hooky

HDMI can be prone to overscan as it's intended for video and not PC connection. Try the VGA connection instead and you should get better results.

[Broadsword]

Originally Posted by hjni

I have sky+ and will be buying the 26" dx7 in about 2 weeks, what is the best cable for optimising the picture quality?

The only option you have with sky + is a good quality scart cable and feed the set RGB.

[c3ham]

Originally Posted by Hooky

guys,

i've been reading all the posts on this forum for the last hour, without any answer to my question. So unless I'm blind I'm going to ask a question.

I have the 26DX7 and i've hooked it up to HDPC I just built.

D Core 3.4GB
512MB Gainwood Geforce 7900GT
1GB 533Mhz ram

Plays HD perfectly on the PC. However I am having problems playing it on the DX7 through hdmi. I have set the card to output 1366x768 and other resolutions but no matter what i try I can not get it to display the PC screen without slightly over scaling it. Movies look great on the screen but whatever i try 1920x1080 etc.. they still slightly over shoot the screen. I've even been playing around with powerstrip to see if it can reduce it down to fit the screen. has anyone else had this problem?? if so did they fix it? what settings did they use on Powerstrip?

Many thanks

Hooky

You can do it in the forceware drivers
Attach your pc monitor and DX7
select dual view
treat the dx7 as a HDTV
Select Format 720p or 1080i
HDTV overscan Config

[hjni]

Does the sky+ box support this?

[nemo]

I have had one of these for a few weeks now and overall very pleased with it, however, the last couple of days I have noticed that when I switch the TV on and it is on the digital tuner the remote control is unresponsive for a few minutes. Is anybody else experiencing this problem

Not noticed the remote problem, although mine seems to prefer a good solid press (especially channel up/down buttons).

Watching England game tonight I was playing with the Picture settings, as the picture wasn't particularly great. Massive improvement when Picture Management was turned off, especially for the wide shots of the whole pitch.

Previously had this setting on since set was bought 1 month ago - what's the point in having Picture Management when it doesn't seemingly improve the picture (or is this just a football setting ) ?

[Hooky]

Originally Posted by c3ham

You can do it in the forceware drivers
Attach your pc monitor and DX7
select dual view
treat the dx7 as a HDTV
Select Format 720p or 1080i
HDTV overscan Config
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Guys,

thanks for the help. I've worked it out now. After I used the forceware I was getting a nice green line at the bottom which was always there. I then downloaded the latest beta driver from Nvidia and it now scales it down to fit the screen at 1826 x 1018 or something like that. HD looks great on it although I'm still getting some frame drop out now and again but that down to the PC and software not the set.

Cheers guys

Hooky

[Klaas]

Can anyone confirm that the 26X70 is the same LCD as the 26DX7? Probably European naming, but I got to be sure.

How do these screens compare to the 26S2010 from Sony? I'm really in a knot between these two screens.

[David Mackenzie]

Hey everyone

I've just received a JVC LT-26DX7 for review, direct from JVC.

After using it for about 5-6 hours, I've noticed quite a few issues. Apologies for not reading this thread through, but can anyone confirm they've seen the following:

1. Certain colours on 720p and 1080i via HDMI are shifted too far to the left - look at red text on a "WARNING" screen:

It happens when the player is set to output YCbCr 4:4:4, 4:2:2 and also RGB


2. Motion smearing on large areas of flat colour (which seems to be a fault with the video processing, not the panel) on every input EXCEPT RGB SCART and HDMI. It's at it's most obvious on S-Video but also shows up on Interlaced Component and to a lesser extent Progressive Component. It becomes quite obvious if you watch a 2D cartoon on it:

Notice how the chroma portion (the girl's face) stays on for longer than it should.

The TV is definitely the problem and I have all the noise reduction functions (like Super DigiPure) turned off. I've tried several sources via the inputs and all produce the same error.

Just before I give it a lesser score because of this, has JVC issued any sort of update to cure these problems or do they plan to? Do they know of them? If I told them about them, would they issue a firmware upgrade?

I have a JVC LT-32DX7BJ HDTV. I have just had Sky HD Installed and have a big problem when Changing Channels via HDMI. Sky Engineer has been back to me today for 3 Hours and has tried everything, (even exchanged my HD Box) to sort it out, couldn't be more helpful, but still no good.

Switching between HD Channels seems to be OK most of the time, but when switched to a non HD Channel I either get just a plain blue screen or picture appears about a third of it's size down the left hand side of the screen, leaving the remainder of screen black with a few thin vertical lines down. The problem is definately with the HDMI because everything works ok with scart, but off course can't view HD with Scart, I havn't tried a Component cable connection, Sky engineer didn't have one, Has anyone else had any problems like this with this JVC Model. Picture is great when it works.

[installspark]

Originally Posted by nemo

I have had one of these for a few weeks now and overall very pleased with it, however, the last couple of days I have noticed that when I switch the TV on and it is on the digital tuner the remote control is unresponsive for a few minutes. Is anybody else experiencing this problem

I had this as well, changed the batteries to el cheapo poundland alkalines and not had any problems since.

[geeport]

greetings,

problem when Changing Channels via HDMI

yes lots of people have had what sounds like this problem, it's believed to have been caused by a change made, after the compatibility testing, by SKY.
JVC are aware and are working with SKY to sort it. Component is perfectly OK apparently. See the 40DS7 thread for other posts.
I haven't seen it yet, but that's because I don't have SKY HD yet.
(Some Panasonic and Sony units seem to have slight issues with SKY HD too reading their threads.)

[bumper31]

Just before I give it a lesser score because of this, has JVC issued any sort of update to cure these problems or do they plan to? Do they know of them? If I told them about them, would they issue a firmware upgrade?

Lyris,

GaryB is JVC's mole on these forums....hopefully he'll pickup on your damning comments.

Although he's been on holiday and seems to be busy with the HDMI problem. So I wouldn't hold your breath.

[nemo]

Originally Posted by installspark

I had this as well, changed the batteries to el cheapo poundland alkalines and not had any problems since.

Thanks Installsparks, I've give this a try.

[Victor Delta]

Recently bought a 26DX7 and am very pleased with it so far. Amazing reading this forum to see how prices have dropped over the last few months - digital direct are now selling them for under £700 (£692) - and that's with the World Cup still running and Wimbledon about to start (when I would have thought that demand would keep the prices high).

Since this is the first TV I have bought for well over 10 years, I need some advice on connections etc please. Sorry if the questions are very basic.

Firstly, I have a DVD player and a PVR (Humax 9200T). At present, I have them connected 'in series' with SCARTs - ie DVD to PVR to TV (E2) - as I did with my previous TV. Since there are 2 SCART sockets on the JVC, should I connect each device to a separate SCART socket eg PVR to E2 and DVD to E1? The user guide is not very clear about this.

Secondly. given that I am not (yet) into HD, is it worth replacing these bog-standard SCART connectors with the more expensive RGB versions that I have seen earlier references to - ie will there be a noticeable visible difference?

Finally, when viewing PVR recordings with the JVC zoom set to auto, the picture size adjusts so that the top and bottom strips are lost. Should this happen and is there any way to improve matters?

Thanks

V

PS Does everyone manually make JVC red in this forum? If so, why?

[TOMSURFER]

Originally Posted by Victor Delta

PS Does everyone manually make JVC red in this forum? If so, why?

mmmmmm When you do a search, and look through the results, the search words are highlighted in RED

[bumper31]

1. Certain colours on 720p and 1080i via HDMI are shifted too far to the left - look at red text on a "WARNING" screen:

Lyris, posted earlier about a problem with the TV he is reviewing.......This has been by and large ignored on this thread........

Now I am watching the Warwickshire v Lanc game on Sky sports on my 40DS7 and I can see what he is describing and it worries me..........

This is an opportunity to check out your screens if you have Sky Sports or the FBI warning screen on R1 DVDs......This may be a problem!!!

BTW Thanks Lyris

Bumper

[David Mackenzie]

No worries. I'd like to know quickly because I don't want to put a review of this TV out if JVC can quickly fix it with a firmware upgrade.

[Teppic]

I have the 32DX7.

The red having moved over to the left on HDMI i can't test as i have nothing which runs through HDMI, i can say i haven't see anything as shown in that picture on any other input however (including Xbox 360 in 720p and 1080i via both VGA - which is the connection i use the most for the 360 - and component).

As for this picture:

I'm assuming you're talking about the blue patch on the face Lyris? If so, i did notice this happening a couple of times when a scene would cut between a close up of a face to a blue background. Since turning off the 'Colour Management' processing option however, there's been no sign of it reoccuring (and trust me, since this was something i could replicate 100% of the time i would have already been complaining about this if it was still happening). I should probably point out that i've spent the last several nights watching Studio Ghibli animé, so i've seen a lot of 2D cartoon animation on the tv in the last week (using a progressive DVD player/recorder via component).

I'm someone who's very sensitive to motion blurring and smearing, and so long as all picture processing was turned off i haven't seen anything like what i have when comparing LCD tv's in the past. In fact i'd go as far as to say i've found movement to be surprisingly close to CRT given what i've witnessed on other LCD tv's.

Is it possible the 26" version uses a different panel, as the smaller Sony LCD's do?

[David Mackenzie]

That's very possible, but since this issue varies depending on the input (and goes away totally via HDMI) it's very unlikely that the panel's at fault.

I'll try using "Colour Management" but I don't think that fixed it for me - the problem is far less on Progressive Component but far more visible on Interlaced Component. Thanks for the info.

[Teppic]

Originally Posted by Lyris

I'll try using "Colour Management" but I don't think that fixed it for me - the problem is far less on Progressive Component but far more visible on Interlaced Component. Thanks for the info.

Just to be clear (because it sounds like you're saying you'll turn Colour Management on): I had the problem with that turned on, and it was turning it off that seems to have removed the problem.

I know you said you had all the picture processing already turned off, but i thought i'd point out my experiences since i noticed that problem myself and thought i'd found a solution. If i spot it again i'll make a post to let everyone know - but so far it's gone from being a problem i noticed once or twice per day, to something i haven't seen at all in about a week (and i haven't changed my set up in any way other than disabling all the picture processing options).

Oh, and i forgot to point out that i haven't seen the problem using the built-in freeview or when playing a VHS tape (yes i know VHS is ancient, but it's still occasionally a necessary evil ).

[David Mackenzie]

Just to be clear (because it sounds like you're saying you'll turn Colour Management on): I had the problem with that turned on, and it was turning it off that seems to have removed the problem.

Doh... in that case, I already have that disabled.

Could someone let me know (preferrably someone who knows what they are talking about, unlike me) whether or not to keep on the picture management options? The options are:

Super DigiPure
Movie Theatre
Colour Management
Picture Management
Smart Picture
MPEG Noise Reduction

Which ones should I have on or off? I have tried looking for myself but can't notice enough difference in PQ to determine whther or not they should be off or on? Any help would be great

[David Mackenzie]

From my (brief) experience, leave all of those off except Movie Theatre on Auto.

Super DigiPure for me has given a sort of underwatery looking through wet glass effect - a combination of "erosion" noise reduction and temporal (blurring frames together) noise reduction.

[Teppic]

And from mine (about a month of owning a 32DX7) i'd say disable the 'Movie Theater' mode too! I noticed it was causing a small problem where the Sky menu system would ever so slightly corrupt from time to time (looked like a slight delay in the deinterlacing occasionally) - i never saw it cause any problems with anything else, but disabling it didn't seem to make the picture or it's movement any worse either.

I found that 'DigiPure' can help with some picture problems, but has too many little side effects to be left on all the time. 'Colour Management' as i've said has some horrible side effects on a poor picture which seem to bring out the weaknesses in a bad signal leading to colour banding all over the place for a start, i can imagine it improving a really good picture as it definitely made colours more vibrant but in the case of 99% of channels via Sky it just doesn't work. 'Picture Management' and 'Smart Picture' play around with contrast on certain colours and from what experimenting i've done (as standard i always have them set to off) it seems to be a 50/50 case of improving the picture or slightly degrading it, and i'd rather have the consistancy of them being off. 'MPEG Noise Reduction' does seem to help with noisy pictures via Sky, but it's only a subtle difference and so i can never really decide if i should have it on or not (right now i do though, for what it's worth).

So my own advice Ohanlon, is to turn everything except maybe 'MPEG Noise Reduction' off, and do any tweaking of the picture via the basic backlight/brightness, contrast, sharpness, and colour settings. Find a good picture with the processing off and then by all means go in and compare each picture processing option on and off to decide if you find anything which does actually improve the picture to your own eyes.

To be honest, even going back to when all the big companies had CRT's at the top of their ranges i never once found any picture processing that was genuinely worth having on all the time. As long as the basic unprocessed picture is of a good quality my personal feelings on the matter are that picture processing just introduces more problems than the tv will show up in the original unprocessed source. With even a half decent source the basic unprocessed picture of the 32DX7 is very good and just doesn't need the extra processing (which is exactly how it should be). The only true way to improve the picture quality without any negative side effects would be for Sky etc., to increase their bitrates, or to feed the tv a HD source.

Of course having said this, people see things in different ways. I'd hate to have a tv where the picture processing couldn't be disabled because i find the more processed the picture is, the more my eyes focus on the processing rather than relaxing and just accepting the picture being displayed. On the other hand i know people who have looked at heavily processed pictures (when i was looking at the old Samsung LCD's just before Xmas instantly springs to mind) and have raved to me about how great the picture looked - to the point where i was beginning to wonder if my eyes were playing tricks on me! If it looks good to your own eyes that's all that really matters in the end.

Thanks for the advice guys, helped alot

I was just wondering, if colour management could improve a really good picture, would it be a good idea to keep that option on for my HDMI Oppo upconverting DVD player? Seeing as that has a very nice picture, it seems logical to keep it on, or is it not worth the negatives of what it might do? Maybe?

[Teppic]

Okay, i said i'd say if i ever again saw the tv display the strange picture error that Lyris posted a picture of above (which i thought i'd managed to find a fix for).

After reading a post Lyris made in another thread i spent hours last night playing around trying to get the picture to display that fault, before giving up... Then as is the nature of modern technology and such things, i settled down to watch my Sky+ recording of Dr.Who and about three quarters of the way through the episode there it was!

I've been able to have a good play about with this after recording the scene where the picture fault happens onto the hard drive of my DVD recorder where i can use the 'frame forward/backward' buttons to recreate the fault 100% of the time. It only seems to happen when the picture is displayed via the component connection, and when the picture flicks between a close up of a face and a light blue background. Connecting via RGB scart, the fault doesn't seem to occur.

Just because me mentioning component and Sky+ may cause some confusion, here's how i have everything set up: I have my Sky+ box plugged into my Toshiba DVD recorder via RGB scart (the Toshiba accepts an RGB-in signal - just thought i'd make this clear as it's been a sticking point when i've mentioned connecting via my DVD recorder in the past), the DVD recorder is then connected to the DX7 via component.

As i said, this only happens when connected via component - i've tried the same footage being played via RGB scart (going in via EXT 2 socket), and composite scart (via EXT1 socket), and there's no sign of the fault.

I hate to call out for help from GaryB yet again as i'm sure he's still dealing with the Sky HD problem, but this is the third problem in a very short period of time (Sky HD, Lyris finding that reds are misaligned via HDMI, and this picture issue via component), i've noticed several people whose confidence in their rather expensive tv's has taken a knock and could do with a little reassurance about the current JVC LCD tv's, and there's no doubt it's beginning to hurt the perceived image of what other than a couple of problems can be excellent tv's.

So GaryB, as the resident helpful JVC related person on the forums: Can you look into this please?

Very interested to learn about the recommended picture settings to use.
I have been concerned by banding all over the place for a while.
I have all processing turned on at the moment. Looking forward to seeing what the results will be when I turn them off.


A problem I am seeing could be either the DX7 or the skyHD box.

Sometimes when I change channels on HD the picture freezes and corrupts a bit. I can see some kind of compressed image moving tight on the left side of the screen.
If I turn off either the HD box or the TV and back on, the picture returns to normal.
Somtimes it can go for hours without seeing this problem but usually, once it has done it once, it will repeate frequently.
I have tried both HDMI sockets on the TV but haven't tried this on component at all as the installer took this lead away with him!
(He also didn't do a forced upgrade or have the right tools - but that's another thread)

I wonder if anyone has seen this or has any ideas.


----OOPS----

Sorry, should have read the whole thread!
It seems I am not the only one.
Looks like I am going to have to buy a componant lead for now and wait for a solution from Sky.