[dgallagh]

Picked up a 46HX853 yesterday afternoon as my poor old Toshiba 37WLT58 finally went pop yesterday morning.

Seems like a nice TV - haven't really had much chance to test it yet...
But I have a question... not having had any reason to push an audio source from the TV to my old Onkyo 606 amp in the past - I now can't seem to get the HDMI audio out of the TV and in to the Amp properly.

Just would be nice to use iPLayer etc and have the sound through the amp rather than the TV speakers.

Am I missing something obvious here ? The amp is set up to receive HDMI audio input.

Any help appreciated.

[GoblinUK]

I think you are better off using the optical out from the TV for that. That's what Im doing.

[coxy25uk]

Can anyone reccomend some speakers for this TV, I'm finding that the base speaker distorts/crackles when up at around 50....

[HaRd2BeAr]

Originally Posted by coxy25uk

Can anyone reccomend some speakers for this TV, I'm finding that the base speaker distorts/crackles when up at around 50....

Have you turned off all the 3D sound, surround sound gimmicky settings?

I found i never needed to take the tv above 30 for tv or films. Although now i have it through my theatre kit.

Aaron

[JulianL]

My 46HX853 arrives next week and I'm going to need to splice on about 7m of white cable onto the 240V power line. I can always resort to cutting the supplied black cable close-ish to the TV and grafting on the required length of white cable to go to a new plug but I'd prefer to do something that doesn't void the warranty.

Is the power cable hard-wired at the point where it goes into the TV or does it connect to the TV via some standard user-accessible plug that I might be able to get at Maplin or an online supplier so that I can make a complete replacement white cable and keep the supplied black one intact in a drawer somewhere to refit if I have a warranty issue?

Alternatively is the mains plug at the other end moulded (i.e. I'd need to cut it off) or can it be unscrewed so that I could unwire the plug and use a terminal block to graft on my white extension so that I could reconstruct the factory cable by reattaching the old plug if required? This would be my less preferred option since it would leave me with a fairly long length of black cable to hide somewhere behind the wall-mounted TV but, although not optimal, I suspect that's doable.

- Julian

[mrbarty]

Originally Posted by JulianL

My 46HX853 arrives next week and I'm going to need to splice on about 7m of white cable onto the 240V power line. I can always resort to cutting the supplied black cable close-ish to the TV and grafting on the required length of white cable to go to a new plug but I'd prefer to do something that doesn't void the warranty.

Is the power cable hard-wired at the point where it goes into the TV or does it connect to the TV via some standard user-accessible plug that I might be able to get at Maplin or an online supplier so that I can make a complete replacement white cable and keep the supplied black one intact in a drawer somewhere to refit if I have a warranty issue?

Alternatively is the mains plug at the other end moulded (i.e. I'd need to cut it off) or can it be unscrewed so that I could unwire the plug and use a terminal block to graft on my white extension so that I could reconstruct the factory cable by reattaching the old plug if required? This would be my less preferred option since it would leave me with a fairly long length of black cable to hide somewhere behind the wall-mounted TV but, although not optimal, I suspect that's doable.

- Julian

It's a nuisance that the mains cable on this one is fixed. I'd have much preferred a detachable one. And the plug is a moulded one.

Your easiest though far less aesthetically pleasing option, in my opinion and if the back of it won't be in open view, is to bundle the whole existing cable to the back of the set and plug it there into a single socket and attach your full length white cable and plug to it from there.

For me in my situation, where the tv sits in a sort of alcove arrangement (it's hemmed in by 2 large tannoy speakers), I've found that the design being what it is lends itself easily to having a fourway socket bunged behind it and not bothering to tidy the leads at all.

[mrbarty]

Oh darn, scratch all that, just noticed yours will be wall mounted.

[mrbarty]

Originally Posted by dgallagh

Picked up a 46HX853 yesterday afternoon as my poor old Toshiba 37WLT58 finally went pop yesterday morning.

Seems like a nice TV - haven't really had much chance to test it yet...
But I have a question... not having had any reason to push an audio source from the TV to my old Onkyo 606 amp in the past - I now can't seem to get the HDMI audio out of the TV and in to the Amp properly.

Just would be nice to use iPLayer etc and have the sound through the amp rather than the TV speakers.

Am I missing something obvious here ? The amp is set up to receive HDMI audio input.

Any help appreciated.

Have you tried Home: Settings: Sound: Speakers : TV Speakers or Audio System?

[dgallagh]

Originally Posted by GoblinUK

I think you are better off using the optical out from the TV for that. That's what Im doing.

I may have to yet - fiddled with some settings on the TV in Synce Control area.
It powered up my SOny BD player and changed to it automatically - so I think control is working fine.

Changed the sound source to "Active Sound System" and it changed the amp to "Game/TV" but this input is used for my xbox360 HDMI.

I think I need to pull the whole unit out and revise my cabling to solve this one...[sigh] there goes a weekend

[walrusoflove]

Originally Posted by JulianL

My 46HX853 arrives next week and I'm going to need to splice on about 7m of white cable onto the 240V power line. I can always resort to cutting the supplied black cable close-ish to the TV and grafting on the required length of white cable to go to a new plug but I'd prefer to do something that doesn't void the warranty.

Is the power cable hard-wired at the point where it goes into the TV or does it connect to the TV via some standard user-accessible plug that I might be able to get at Maplin or an online supplier so that I can make a complete replacement white cable and keep the supplied black one intact in a drawer somewhere to refit if I have a warranty issue?

Alternatively is the mains plug at the other end moulded (i.e. I'd need to cut it off) or can it be unscrewed so that I could unwire the plug and use a terminal block to graft on my white extension so that I could reconstruct the factory cable by reattaching the old plug if required? This would be my less preferred option since it would leave me with a fairly long length of black cable to hide somewhere behind the wall-mounted TV but, although not optimal, I suspect that's doable.

- Julian

The TV is indeed "hard wired" but where it attatches into the back of the set is a cover with a phillips screw, beneath which is a standard cable connector plug which is easily popped apart by pressing the release on the plastic connector. I'm sure maplins or somewhere would stock the connector so no doubt you could manufacture your own mains lead.
I needed to disconnect to feed the mains wire through a gap that the plug wouldnt go through, and then i simply reconnected it from the other side, if that makes sense. lol
OR, (if you're squeamish about undoing screws on your new set incase of invalidating warranty etc.)you could just use a long extension cable from the power outlet you want to use and have it behind the TV within reach of supplied mains lead
.

[dgallagh]

Originally Posted by mrbarty

Have you tried Home: Settings: Sound: Speakers : TV Speakers or Audio System?

Yes afraid so - I'd already done that but thanks. I think I may just work it out yet.

If I do - I'll stick some settings on here for anyone else that may happen to have a similar set-up.

By the way - I'm loving the images this TV generates , there are a few channels on Sky now that just look amazing. And Pixar Blu-Rays are just awe-inspiring.

[walrusoflove]

Originally Posted by dgallagh

I may have to yet - fiddled with some settings on the TV in Synce Control area.
It powered up my SOny BD player and changed to it automatically - so I think control is working fine.

Changed the sound source to "Active Sound System" and it changed the amp to "Game/TV" but this input is used for my xbox360 HDMI.

I think I need to pull the whole unit out and revise my cabling to solve this one...[sigh] there goes a weekend

Just a quick query.. you ARE using an hdmi lead of profile 1.4 or above? as my understanding goes they are the only leads with ARC (audio return channel) as a feature. Also, I believe only hdmi 1 on the TV set is ARC compatible.
Hope that helps.
Apologies if I've misunderstood your problem
Oh, and if what Ive stated is technically incorrect!

[mrbarty]

Originally Posted by dgallagh

..[sigh] there goes a weekend

It might rain if you're lucky.

[mrbarty]

Last night I suddenly got a green flashing screen. I knew it was the 'handshake' problem I sometimes get with my Sony/Humax/Yamaha setup. Usually cured for me by switching the telly off and on. But not last night.

It turned out to be the Amazon's own hdmi plug loose in its socket. When I moved it gently side to side the green flicker stopped and started, and I could even 'break the connection', ie the screen went black and then on again.

I understood that all hdmi plugs were identical, notwithstanding their so-called quality. This wasn't even Amazon's cheapest cable! Will another 'higher quality' one be as waggable as this one? And what if it's not Amazon's plug but Sony's socket?

[dgallagh]

Originally Posted by walrusoflove

Just a quick query.. you ARE using an hdmi lead of profile 1.4 or above? as my understanding goes they are the only leads with ARC (audio return channel) as a feature. Also, I believe only hdmi 1 on the TV set is ARC compatible.
Hope that helps.
Apologies if I've misunderstood your problem
Oh, and if what Ive stated is technically incorrect!

@walrusoflove - Thank-you !
I'm such an ar5e [facepalm]
I would have spent hours trying to get this working if you hadn't reminded me that my receiver doesn't support HDMI 1.4.
The cable is connected to the ARC (HDMI 1) port - but I guess nothing helps if the receiver is only 1.3 compliant.

Thanks again...
oh well - optical cable it is then....

[walrusoflove]

Originally Posted by dgallagh

@walrusoflove - Thank-you !
I'm such an ar5e [facepalm]
I would have spent hours trying to get this working if you hadn't reminded me that my receiver doesn't support HDMI 1.4.
The cable is connected to the ARC (HDMI 1) port - but I guess nothing helps if the receiver is only 1.3 compliant.

Thanks again...
oh well - optical cable it is then....

No probs! Sorry I coudnt fix your problem! I actually DO have an amp that is fully 1.4 compatible, but I still used an optical link. lol I dont know why, I just dont trust those pesky hdmi leads especially the ones with ethernet! I've yet to find a compliant device for those!! lol.
Good luck sorting it out. Hopefully you've got a free optical input on the amp!

[JulianL]

Originally Posted by walrusoflove

The TV is indeed "hard wired" but where it attatches into the back of the set is a cover with a phillips screw, beneath which is a standard cable connector plug which is easily popped apart by pressing the release on the plastic connector. I'm sure maplins or somewhere would stock the connector so no doubt you could manufacture your own mains lead.
I needed to disconnect to feed the mains wire through a gap that the plug wouldnt go through, and then i simply reconnected it from the other side, if that makes sense. lol
OR, (if you're squeamish about undoing screws on your new set incase of invalidating warranty etc.)you could just use a long extension cable from the power outlet you want to use and have it behind the TV within reach of supplied mains lead
.

That makes complete sense. Thanks.

I'm not at all squeamish about undoing the screws and if I was ever challenged my claim would be that I haven't voided the warranty because it was reasonable to assume that the panel was user removable since the TV has an official option to be wall mounted and it is very common to have wall conduits for the wiring that are too small for a UK plug to be pulled through so, without being allowed to get to that connector, how can a significant percentage of owners who want to wall mount the set get the wires through their conduits? I could even use your post above as exhibit A. I'm sure it'll all be fine.

- Julian

[mrbarty]

Originally Posted by walrusoflove

No probs! Sorry I coudnt fix your problem! I actually DO have an amp that is fully 1.4 compatible, but I still used an optical link. lol I dont know why, I just dont trust those pesky hdmi leads especially the ones with ethernet! I've yet to find a compliant device for those!! lol.
Good luck sorting it out. Hopefully you've got a free optical input on the amp!

Do you have any problems with lag, like I do, when connecting audio via optical? The lipsync control on my Yamaha receiver is set to 0ms and when I 'turn it up' it only makes the lag worse. It seems it needs to be turned down below 0ms. The 0ms isn't really 0ms. I have to put up with the lipsync problem if I want to listen through the Yamaha, and definitely must not have the tv speakers and the Tannoys on at the same time!

Apologies if I should be asking this in another forum, but I am trying to set up a KDL-46HX853.

[nbkicker33]

just got my price match from john lewis through for £1109 for the 46hx853, very tempted to go for this tv as looked at a few didfferent threads and at moment every manafacturer and tv seems to have faults with them, was gonna go the passive route of the panasonic 47et5 or one of the lgs, but not going for a lg as of the 24p problems, and with the sony 853 seeming getting good reviews from a lot of mags i might try sony again after the 40w3000 has never faulted but tried a hx803 last yr and was dissapointed with clouding and bad 3d playback, hopefully get a good set this time

[walrusoflove]

Originally Posted by mrbarty

Do you have any problems with lag, like I do, when connecting audio via optical? The lipsync control on my Yamaha receiver is set to 0ms and when I 'turn it up' it only makes the lag worse. It seems it needs to be turned down below 0ms. The 0ms isn't really 0ms. I have to put up with the lipsync problem if I want to listen through the Yamaha, and definitely must not have the tv speakers and the Tannoys on at the same time!

Apologies if I should be asking this in another forum, but I am trying to set up a KDL-46HX853.

The lip-synch issue is an old one, to my knowledge, whenever connecting multiple sources to an amp. I have a Sony 7.1 amp, can't remember the model number off the top of my head, but even when I had my last amp, a 5.1 yamaha I found that certain channels on sky were indeed out of synch ever so slightly. not through the hdmi output, but through the optical. Which is ridiculously frustrating. Firstly because sky only let you get 5.1 sound through optical and not hdmi. Why? Who knows!!?? So using optical is necessary.Perhaps it's an optical issue? i don't really know..
However to answer your specific question, are you saying that tv based content (internet stream or freeview) is what's lagging through optical?
I dont use the freeview, as I have no ariel on my house and three sky boxes so have no need for it, but I do stream using iplayer or lovefilm quite a bit and have NOT noticed any lip synch issues...
Sorry couldn't be of more help

[mrbarty]

Originally Posted by walrusoflove

The lip-synch issue is an old one, to my knowledge, whenever connecting multiple sources to an amp. I have a Sony 7.1 amp, can't remember the model number off the top of my head, but even when I had my last amp, a 5.1 yamaha I found that certain channels on sky were indeed out of synch ever so slightly. not through the hdmi output, but through the optical. Which is ridiculously frustrating. Firstly because sky only let you get 5.1 sound through optical and not hdmi. Why? Who knows!!?? So using optical is necessary.Perhaps it's an optical issue? i don't really know..
However to answer your specific question, are you saying that tv based content (internet stream or freeview) is what's lagging through optical?
I dont use the freeview, as I have no ariel on my house and three sky boxes so have no need for it, but I do stream using iplayer or lovefilm quite a bit and have NOT noticed any lip synch issues...
Sorry couldn't be of more help

Thanks walrus.

Yes it is tv freeview audio that's lagging. I spent an hour or so last night googling it in various forums and it seems I'm far from alone, with Yamaha receivers being often mentioned. And not a one of them comes near to resolving it.

I could be being hypercritical or fanciful but I do remember noticing, when I got my first led flatscreen, that people's mouth movements didn't quite match the actual sound coming out of their mouths. And that was just the tv!

Seems more than a bit daft to me that even with a £1200 tv you can't plug it into your £500 home cinema amp and get the sound to line up.

Modern technology eh?

[walrusoflove]

Originally Posted by mrbarty

Thanks walrus.

Yes it is tv freeview audio that's lagging. I spent an hour or so last night googling it in various forums and it seems I'm far from alone, with Yamaha receivers being often mentioned. And not a one of them comes near to resolving it.

I could be being hypercritical or fanciful but I do remember noticing, when I got my first led flatscreen, that people's mouth movements didn't quite match the actual sound coming out of their mouths. And that was just the tv!

Seems more than a bit daft to me that even with a £1200 tv you can't plug it into your £500 home cinema amp and get the sound to line up.

Modern technology eh?

LOL, Indeed modern technology is indeed a little fecker sometimes!
So, this amp of yours? Doesn't it support ARC through profile 1.4 of hdmi? that would surely eliminate the need for the optical connection..?
Also... £1200 for the TV. Please tell me it's the 46" version or I may have to cry..

[Shen Ku]

Originally Posted by Roboffabike

Hi Shen Ku, thanks for posting this link. I am probably being terrifically dull but what should I be looking out for on this video?
Also, do you have links for any other test videos I could try.
Many thanks

Here's a translation of the Youtube description: Test signal (this is a test) with a luminance ramp development diagonally (45 °) with horizontal motion at medium speed for groped to highlight vertical bands and other defects on LCD and plasma. The original movie is not compressed (DPX 10-bit, 4:4:4, 1920x1080) was compressed in H.264 with Adobe Media Encoder but with some problems on the nuances.

And some more videos to test for uniformity and dead/stuck pixels:

Plasma test - uniformity - YouTube

Pixel test black + RGB - YouTube

[mrbarty]

Originally Posted by walrusoflove

LOL, Indeed modern technology is indeed a little fecker sometimes!
So, this amp of yours? Doesn't it support ARC through profile 1.4 of hdmi? that would surely eliminate the need for the optical connection..?
Also... £1200 for the TV. Please tell me it's the 46" version or I may have to cry..

Yes it's a 46, and I lied. I got it for £1109 but upped it to 1.2k for effect, though I could have quoted JL's price which I see they've reduced today to £1399.

Yes my receiver supports ARC and truth is I can and do use it and listen through it most of the time, having gotten used to the lipsync or non-lipsync. It probably isn't difficult for the workings of the human brain to compensate and adapt to it. Until I notice it again.

The reason I was prompted to ask about it here was because I'd like to be able to use the tv as a low level central speaker to help fill in the large gap between my large tannoys on either side.

Seems I can't.

And I only paid £399 for the receiver really.

[nbkicker33]

im not sure if to go for the 46hx753 or the 46hx853 as there dont seem to be much diffeerence to them apart from the 853 has the big plinth with the speakers built into it, but which ever tv i get it will be going up on the wall, plus the 753 is £200 cheaper

[walrusoflove]

Originally Posted by nbkicker33

im not sure if to go for the 46hx753 or the 46hx853 as there dont seem to be much diffeerence to them apart from the 853 has the big plinth with the speakers built into it, but which ever tv i get it will be going up on the wall, plus the 753 is £200 cheaper

In my opinion, and from what I've read on these hallowed pages regarding the two different models, the 853 is far superior to the 753 in terms of both HD picture quality, specifications and 3D performance as well as being more aesthetically pleasing. But, as ever, the choice comes down to what you need and what you're prepared to pay for it. I have an 853 and it is quite simply a stunning TV!

[clydebest]

Originally Posted by nbkicker33

im not sure if to go for the 46hx753 or the 46hx853 as there dont seem to be much diffeerence to them apart from the 853 has the big plinth with the speakers built into it, but which ever tv i get it will be going up on the wall, plus the 753 is £200 cheaper

As others have said the 853 over the 753 every time for me the 853 has the ability to produce a stunning P.Q.. I have no knowledge of the 753 , but I would assume, that local micro dimming is not on the 753, spec wise I would say their is quiet a difference between the 853/753. In the end it is your choice.good luck.

[coxy25uk]

Can anyone tell me why (on standard definition) I have to sometimes crack my volume upto 100 to hear it at a resonable volume??? The difference from 50-100 is marginal on my set, not 50% louder as one might asume. The volume does improve on HD channels, however again its still a little low! Think my settings are all default by the way with none of those 3d settings on etc which you might think could be affecting this.

My hearing is perfectly fine byt he way!

[mrbarty]

Originally Posted by coxy25uk

Can anyone tell me why (on standard definition) I have to sometimes crack my volume upto 100 to hear it at a resonable volume??? The difference from 50-100 is marginal on my set, not 50% louder as one might asume. The volume does improve on HD channels, however again its still a little low! Think my settings are all default by the way with none of those 3d settings on etc which you might think could be affecting this.

My hearing is perfectly fine byt he way!

Just to say, I had this problem a year or so ago on my previous set, and it is solvable by a simple click on something somewhere but I've forgotten where that somewhere is!

So keep asking. I'm sure someone will eventually tell you.

[walrusoflove]

Originally Posted by mrbarty

Just to say, I had this problem a year or so ago on my previous set, and it is solvable by a simple click on something somewhere but I've forgotten where that somewhere is!

So keep asking. I'm sure someone will eventually tell you.

LOL GENIUS! Thanks barty, I needed that laugh today!