[HaRd2BeAr]

Originally Posted by Camuraj

That problem emerged on my cousin's 40" (may), does not appear at all on my TV (july).

What size is yours Camuraj?

It is very film/scene specific, for instance in a film called P2 it was very frequent also in The Amityville Horror (2005 film) it was very apparent.

Sorry but a July build is not going to resolve the limitations of the technology. Setting tweaks can reduce the effect by lowering the backlight (i have mine fairly low) but it will always be there to an extent it just depends on the type of film/scene as to whether it is noticeable.

Aaron

[mrbarty]

Dammit. I'm worried now. All this talk of May built ones being crap and July ones fine. I'm about to unpack a KDL-46HX853 which, according to the box, was made in June! Wish me luck everyone.

While I'm here, I'd be glad to hear anyone's views on what glasses I should get. It seems there are 3 to choose from. The Sony TDGBR250 and TDGBR750, and the Xpand x-104.

I think I'd go for the Xpands if I knew they'd fit comfortable over my prescription specs.

[Camuraj]

I saw the exact phenomenon on his set when watching clockwork orange. Can not tell if it's apparent all the time or film specific.

[Camuraj]

Originally Posted by hard2bear

what size is yours camuraj?

Aaron

55"

[mrbarty]

Originally Posted by Camuraj

55"

Wish mine was as big as yours.

[fluxo]

Originally Posted by Camuraj

I saw the exact phenomenon on his set when watching clockwork orange. Can not tell if it's apparent all the time or film specific.

There are prominent bloom and focus issues in that film
(e.g., in the record shop scene).

Are you sure it's not that you were seeing?

[Camuraj]

It was not as prominent when watching the movie on CRT, the blooming effect was definetly more apparent on his tv.

Can anyone here tell if it's a 720p or 1080p youre watching?

[BorderReiver]

Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr

Of course, this Sony basically has 8 sections/zones it can dim, so on a scene that is completely dark that is great it dims all the zones to make the blacks blacker. However if during one of these dark scenes something light comes into shot, the zone will have to lighten up for this object if its in the centre of the screen maybe even 2 zones will need to lighten up, so say a street light in an alley etc, but this will make the blacks in that area much lighter than the rest of the screen.

This is called haloing as you have light around an object. In an ideal world it would be just the street light that was illuminated and the dark areas would remain dark, this is where plasma holds an advantage (among other areas) as it can control the light output of each pixel, so there will be no haloing.

Hope this helps, anything else you would like to know, just ask.

Aaron

Thanks for that,
I think it is more haloing my may build has, it does have banding though. So going to return anyhoo and pick up a precious July build hopefully, will check Costco tomoz

[HaRd2BeAr]

Originally Posted by BorderReiver

Thanks for that,
I think it is more haloing my may build has, it does have banding though. So going to return anyhoo and pick up a precious July build hopefully, will check Costco tomoz

No worries.

Good luck.

[JulianL]

Originally Posted by mrbarty

Sorry coxy. Yesterday I got a second price match at JL against Richer Sounds' latest price. So £1109 from JL including their 5yr g'tee aint bad.

I've also had approval from JL for the same price match against Richer Sounds. I submitted my pricematch request via the online form and the approval came back about 3 or 4 days later.

- Julian

[mrbarty]

Originally Posted by JulianL

I've also had approval from JL for the same price match against Richer Sounds. I submitted my pricematch request via the online form and the approval came back about 3 or 4 days later.

- Julian

So are you going to accept the quote?

[JulianL]

Originally Posted by mrbarty

So are you going to accept the quote?

Yep. The day before my pricematch email came through I also got the automated JL email to tell me that the 46HX853 was back in stock so all the pieces are in place and, with a brand new batch just arrived, the JL stock is almost certainly July builds. My credit card also rolled over to its next billing month yesterday so I get the maximum 6 weeks or so of free credit before I need to pay the bill.

The JL email said that I have to call their 0845 numbers to place a price-matched order and on my phone plan it's a lot cheaper to call 0845 numbers on the weekend (I'm such a cheapskate ) so I'll be calling JL to place the order in a few minutes. I won't take delivery for a couple of weeks though because I have builders coming in and don't want to have to leave it in the box for a week after it arrives.

- Julian

[GoblinUK]

Has anyone bought an alternate stand? I'd quite like a normal vertical one with no tilt.

[mrbarty]

Well I'm puzzled. Just spent the past hour setting my new 46 up and fiddling about with settings etc. like ya do...

But the sound is atrocious! This can't be right, it's so bad. Imagine an old transistor radio playing at the other end of a tunnel. Echoey distorted treble with very little, if any, midrange and no bass whatsoever.

I've got it set to Speaker Integrated Stand (and yes it's plugged in), and when I try Table Top Stand it's very similar but even more trebley and distorted.

I was always pleased with the sound from the EX713 I've just dismantled, compared with this it was rich and full-bodied. But this is so wrong.

Is it something I'm doing or not doing with settings or is it up the duff?

Edit 3 hours later: Nope I've tried all sorts with all sound settings. Just done the software update but thats made no difference.

One thing I reckon it could be - when I'm tuned in to just a speaking voice on Radio 3 I can't place the speaker centrally. It sounds to me like the loudspeakers in the soundbar are wired out of phase! As I said before, the voice is very tinny and echoey. Phasey in fact.

Looks like I'll be phoning JL in the morning, dammit. Unless someone reading this comes up with a possible solution.

[coxy25uk]

Guys, as you know from previous post I bought the 46" couple of days ago, and with my early impressions I was extremely happy stating that I hadnt noticed any banding or clouding.

Was watching Escape from New York (the old classic) last night and to my horror I noticed it big time, horizontal banding constantly flickering away. With my limited knowledge on this subject I hadnt tested it enough, as it was plainly evident with such a dark movie.

I'm gutted.....this tv otherwise has such a perfect picture, truly astounding. Really not sure what to do now....... SO letdown!

Not sure if I can be bothered to go the replacement route, and just live with it. Apologies for the false hope my early posts have surely given

Need to try again on another dark film and see if it makes a difference

[jspr]

coxy25uk,

Sorry to hear this, this set is currently top of my 'likely to buy' list and I had been encouraged by the last few posts. As a matter of interest what was the source you were viewing, HD or SD or DVD ?

Please keep us informed on your findings on other sources.

[Camuraj]

Originally Posted by coxy25uk

as it was plainly evident with such a dark movie.

What the..
You notice banding even in dark scenes?! That was a first

[mike66]

Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr

Samsung plasma perhaps? Or are you going to brave another HX853?

I would but i actually found the haloing on dark scenes a little annoying. tbh

Got rid of my 55 kdl853 & got a Samsung ps60e6500 plasma.
Very happy now...no clouding or banding.Great blacks and superb picture,great tv...why did i even think of led/lcd.

[Camuraj]

Originally Posted by jspr

coxy25uk,

Sorry to hear this, this set is currently top of my 'likely to buy' list and I had been encouraged by the last few posts. As a matter of interest what was the source you were viewing, HD or SD or DVD ?

Please keep us informed on your findings on other sources.

Noticed that you own a Samsung PS42Q97.
I went from a Samsung PS50Q97 Plasma to this Sony, big leap, specially if you're a football fan.

[NickPerceptive]

Hi guys, i need your opinion. I have had the 40" version for just over a week and have noticed very slight banding whilst watching football and some clouding issues on menus (doesn't bother me). Apart from that i love the TV but as with everyone on here now i've noticed the banding i always see it!

My set was manufactured in April so i guess my question is do you think it's worth returning in search of newer model / a perfect set or stick with what i've got? I don't know if i can be bothered to send it all back, would a screen change by an engineer fix the issue?

Thanks,

[coxy25uk]

Originally Posted by jspr

coxy25uk,

Sorry to hear this, this set is currently top of my 'likely to buy' list and I had been encouraged by the last few posts. As a matter of interest what was the source you were viewing, HD or SD or DVD ?

Please keep us informed on your findings on other sources.

Was watching the film on skyhd, its a really dark film..... it was filmed in the 80's so I dont know if that has much bearing. Also tonight Ive watched a film (modern) with plenty of dark scenes and noticed none of the same issues.......

Noticed 0 clouding

[Shen Ku]

Originally Posted by coxy25uk

Was watching Escape from New York (the old classic) last night and to my horror I noticed it big time, horizontal banding constantly flickering away. With my limited knowledge on this subject I hadnt tested it enough, as it was plainly evident with such a dark movie.

The banding you witnessed might be from a poor print of the film and not your TV. I also noticed this while watching 'Contact' on Blu-ray, although it was vertical banding and not horizontal banding, and was only apparent during one or two scenes. Initially I thought it was the TV, but thankfully after doing some digging I found out that it was actually a poor print of the film. I also have the DVD version and that too has the banding in the same scene.

To test for vertical banding use this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdxxHbVjPqc]Test rampa diagonale - beta 0.4 - YouTube

[jspr]

Originally Posted by Camuraj

Noticed that you own a Samsung PS42Q97.
I went from a Samsung PS50Q97 Plasma to this Sony, big leap, specially if you're a football fan.

Yes I've been looking to upgrade for a while now, although the sammy has been great it's not the easiest to view in daylight. Great at night mind. I watch a lot of footy and that's what's been holding me up getting a LCD/led set as plasma's are great for the footy. When you say big leap to the Sony for footy do you mean that in a good way ? Are you pleased you made the change ?

[clydebest]

Originally Posted by NickPerceptive

Hi guys, i need your opinion. I have had the 40" version for just over a week and have noticed very slight banding whilst watching football and some clouding issues on menus (doesn't bother me). Apart from that i love the TV but as with everyone on here now i've noticed the banding i always see it!

My set was manufactured in April so i guess my question is do you think it's worth returning in search of newer model / a perfect set or stick with what i've got? I don't know if i can be bothered to send it all back, would a screen change by an engineer fix the issue?

Thanks,

If i were you, i would not go down the road of a repair,it is far easier to exchange for a new replacement,if that option is available.

[Camuraj]

Originally Posted by jspr

Yes I've been looking to upgrade for a while now, although the sammy has been great it's not the easiest to view in daylight. Great at night mind. I watch a lot of footy and that's what's been holding me up getting a LCD/led set as plasma's are great for the footy. When you say big leap to the Sony for footy do you mean that in a good way ? Are you pleased you made the change ?

Yes, it's a masterpiece when it comes to sports, no judder at all, the Samsung didn't handle balls in front of a crowd in a satisfying way, noticed some bad judder on the Samsung that the Sony handles perfectly.

[BorderReiver]

Well got my replacement yesterday
It's a June build same as old one no July stock in yet.
But apparently they ain't all that after all!

Adjusted all the settings to what I think are best for my viewing environment and low and behold the slight banding that I had and the haloing at bottom left are just the same, boo hoo

I don't think that any build of this Tv is going to make a difference, but in reality it's not as bad as last years d8000 sammy or the buzzing and dark picture of the panny vt30 and at £1400 I think this will be it untill oled comes down in price.

I still think the picture on SD are good in HD they are fantastic, Bluray wow, just that wee bit doon the bottom left which is only really noticeable whilst watching a movie with the lights all dimmed down in the evening.
The slight banding which is no where as bad as the Sammy I can live with.

Unless someone can confirm the July model is perfect or maybe an August soon
It looks like its a keeper and after reading about other makes it sounds better than their problems.

[DiamondTear]

Originally Posted by BorderReiver

haloing at bottom left

That's either clouding or flashlighting. Haloing would be caused by Local Dimming and would be the same everywhere on the screen.

[BorderReiver]

Originally Posted by DiamondTear

That's either clouding or flashlighting. Haloing would be caused by Local Dimming and would be the same everywhere on the screen.

Only becomes apparent when it is a very dark scene and a lighter source close by like a face or hand comes on screen, it glows for a split second then disappears ? Is probably always there but is less noticeable. I did initially think it was clouding ( probably is ?) but hey ho the problem is there. And the settings can't get rid. Or the replacement tv lol

[Roboffabike]

Originally Posted by Shen Ku

The banding you witnessed might be from a poor print of the film and not your TV. I also noticed this while watching 'Contact' on Blu-ray, although it was vertical banding and not horizontal banding, and was only apparent during one or two scenes. Initially I thought it was the TV, but thankfully after doing some digging I found out that it was actually a poor print of the film. I also have the DVD version and that too has the banding in the same scene.

To test for vertical banding use this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdxxHbVjPqc]Test rampa diagonale - beta 0.4 - YouTube

Hi Shen Ku, thanks for posting this link. I am probably being terrifically dull but what should I be looking out for on this video?
Also, do you have links for any other test videos I could try.
Many thanks

[Roboffabike]

Originally Posted by Roboffabike

When I power on the TV, I get all the freeview channels including HD and I am very impressed with the picture quality.
However, my main viewing is via a Humax Foxsat HDR.
When I turn this on, Freeview immediately drops all (or most) HD channels and sometimes all the BBC channels.
(Get "No signal" message)
Usually, if I turn the Humax back off, the channels work as before.
Has anyone come across this behaviour?
I should add that I didn't use Freeview prior to getting this TV so the aerial quality is unknown. However, given that it picks up all the channels with an excellent picture to begin with, I wonder if there is a fault with the TV.

Well, this was easily solved in the end.
I dug out the original Humax HDMI lead (which looks really cheapo) from the attic, plugged it in and all worked immediately
The brand-new 'gold plated' lead I bought to spoil the new TV is going back!
Thanks to all for your suggestions.