[Olly C]

Yea my last two TV's have been Sony and I've been super happy with them but I'm avoiding them this time round.. Even the more expensive HX version isn't free of big problems, a big shame

[rob619]

Originally Posted by mabbyb

I was considering this tv instead of the third le831 that is being delivered tomorrow, but if you read some forums on here the clouding & torchlights from the corners looks really bad, including this 5 page thread purely on that subject

Sony 40HX723 backlight bleed

Yeah possibly, however it terms of pure tv looks. The Sony does look really nice, like a museum piece. Nice slick black and streamlined. However picture quality is more important and the Sharp is a looker aswell

[mabbyb]

Yeah possibly, however it terms of pure tv looks. The Sony does look really nice, like a museum piece. Nice slick black and streamlined. However picture quality is more important and the Sharp is a looker aswell

Yea my last two TV's have been Sony and I've been super happy with them but I'm avoiding them this time round.. Even the more expensive HX version isn't free of big problems, a big shame

If I'm not happy with the next Sharp I think it will be the last one, then I may yet consider the Sony, also quite tempted by the Panasonic G30 at it's current price.

[Olly C]

Originally Posted by mabbyb

If I'm not happy with the next Sharp I think it will be the last one, then I may yet consider the Sony, also quite tempted by the Panasonic G30 at it's current price.

I looked into getting the top of the range Panasonic 42" VT30 Plasma too but the active glasses really didn't fit too well especially with glasses underneath, its £799 at HughesDirect here:

Panasonic TXP42VT30B from Hughes Direct

[solidamber]

Looks like this has become a don't buy a LC-46LE831E thread !

[rob619]

Originally Posted by solidamber

Looks like this has become a don't buy a LC-46LE831E thread !

Loll, good point however the clouding backlight issue is just a sad fact of the technology. When you do have it and notice it, it really does **** you off! We are in 2012 for gods sake, you would think a decent television experience can be had!

[mabbyb]

Looks like this has become a don't buy a LC-46LE831E thread !

I absolutely love the set & I am really hoping the le831 I get tomorrow is a good one. The PQ & motion handling etc is much better than the various Samsung's & LG's I have tried, however having to replace it 3 times in my opinion would be unacceptable.

[rob619]

Originally Posted by mabbyb

I absolutely love the set & I am really hoping the le831 I get tomorrow is a good one. The PQ & motion handling etc is much better than the various Samsung's & LG's I have tried, however having to replace it 4 times in my opinion would be unacceptable.

Agreed. Whats been the problem anyways? Clouding, im guessing?

[mabbyb]

Agreed. Whats been the problem anyways? Clouding, im guessing?

First set had very bad clouding, banding & a stuck pixel. Second set has clouding (albeit not as bad) & banding which is driving me nuts despite trying to get used to it.

[rob619]

Originally Posted by Olly C

Here we go people.. I found this for anyone with the TV on the way or for the people that have ended up with a model they are happy with and are wanting an extra pair of glasses:

Sharp AN3DG20B Active 3D Glasses | eBay

Seller should accept offers of £30 by the looks of it, snap them up quick though as there is only 2 left currently..

Hope this helps someone!!

Given in and ordered a new one from Sharp, hopefully like others who have ordered from Sharp direct, this one suffers from no clouding issues .

[Olly C]

New set arrived today...

Positives:
- No banding that I can see whilst watching football in 2D or 3D
- No clouding or light bleeding either
- Seem to be able to get a brighter picture than before with 'Scan' on
- Played Fifa 12 and MW3 without any problems

Negatives:
- One dead pixel to the left/center of screen :@ !!!!!! (I hate dead pixels)
- And it still does this in every AV mode during The Walking Dead which my old TV does not:

[lloydread]

Originally Posted by Olly C

New set arrived today...

Positives:
- No banding that I can see whilst watching football in 2D or 3D
- No clouding or light bleeding either
- Seem to be able to get a brighter picture than before with 'Scan' on
- Played Fifa 12 and MW3 without any problems

Negatives:
- One dead pixel to the left/center of screen :@ !!!!!! (I hate dead pixels)
- And it still does this in every AV mode during The Walking Dead which my old TV does not:

image

Bl00dy pixels!!! I know how you feel about those.

I have never seen that problem and I can't help but feel there is some setting which is causing it... How are you connecting your sky box?

[Olly C]

Originally Posted by lloydread

Bl00dy pixels!!! I know how you feel about those.

I have never seen that problem and I can't help but feel there is some setting which is causing it... How are you connecting your sky box?

I'm just connecting it via HMDI using the exact same setup as I was with my old TV, at first I thought it might be my HDMI splitter that was causing it, but theres no need for me to use it on this TV so its plugged straight in Sky+HD Box > HDMI > TV.

I tried it with the HMDI splitter too and a different cable, no joy.

What I've done for the moment is turn the brightness down (like below zero) and it seems better its on -3/-4 now..

I might just have to pretend I didn't check for pixels to be honest, I't better to have no clouding/backlight bleed and banding issues than risk another set thats worse.

I've phoned customer support and let them know the problems I'm having so I'm just waiting to see what they say.

Note to Rob btw: If the tech department does not deem a TV faulty thats when they make you pay for the return, if they say its faulty like they did my first thats when they arrange a courier instead.

[lloydread]

No banding is impressive, I thought they all have it, mine does a tiny bit... but I can look past it and all 5 had it so I think my eyes are just good at spotting it

In regards to that picture problem, have you tried all the picture presets to see if they all show it? i.e. standard, movie, game etc?

[rob619]

Originally Posted by Olly C

I'm just connecting it via HMDI using the exact same setup as I was with my old TV, at first I thought it might be my HDMI splitter that was causing it, but theres no need for me to use it on this TV so its plugged straight in Sky+HD Box > HDMI > TV.

I tried it with the HMDI splitter too and a different cable, no joy.

What I've done for the moment is turn the brightness down (like below zero) and it seems better its on -3/-4 now..

I might just have to pretend I didn't check for pixels to be honest, I't better to have no clouding/backlight bleed and banding issues than risk another set thats worse.

I've phoned customer support and let them know the problems I'm having so I'm just waiting to see what they say.

Note to Rob btw: If the tech department does not deem a TV faulty thats when they make you pay for the return, if they say its faulty like they did my first thats when they arrange a courier instead.

Thanks, yeah I understood that before however I still think the John Lewis policy is better. If a customer is not happy then a collection service should be made!

In terms of your dead pixel, that sucks. However is does not have any of the bad features associated with the Sharp such as clouding etc. However a dead pixel really does take the biscuit Now what, replacement?

[Olly C]

Uuuuurgh!! Must... Stop... Looking... For... Faults

Theres actually the 1 dead pixel to the left of the center (black on a white screen) and 3 stuck lit pixels in the middle (coloured on a black screen)

Also with the lights off in the room a black screen looks like this:

I havent informed them of any of those findings just waiting on what they say after seeing the last picture I sent them.

[lloydread]

I did wonder if it would still be good in the dark as the day is not a good test

Well looks like a refund their quality control leaves a lot to be desired

Originally Posted by Olly C

Theres actually the 1 dead pixel to the left of the center (black on a white screen) and 3 stuck lit pixels in the middle (coloured on a black screen)

eek, never checked a white screen, only black... gonna have to now (worried)

[rob619]

Originally Posted by lloydread

I did wonder if it would still be good in the dark as the day is not a good test

Well looks like a refund their quality control leaves a lot to be desired



eek, never checked a white screen, only black... gonna have to now (worried)

I wouldnt keep that. Send it back, get your money back. I'm afriad if mine has any clouding I will have to move onto another tv set . Its a shame really, fingers crossed

[deanos]

all LED tv's suffer with clouding, as long as you don't notice while watching tv then that's ok, if it affects your viewing then fair enough,but testing on a blank screen isn't a good test IMO

[lloydread]

I find that whenever you change channels or inputs it shows the black screen so it's even more important to be good on this set... Also the way it puts backlight on full when it turns on doesn't help... With dark films I personally find it very distracting, mine has a tiny amount of clouding but only in the dark with backlight on +16, at 0 there is none visable even in the dark and that's the max I would ever have the backlight at night so I'm more than happy with that.

Btw, just tested a white screen and found something it's not a dead pixel or anything but more something between the lcd and back light, kinda like a tiny thunder bug has got in there? it's probably just a tiny bit bigger than a pixel... Nannoying as it is I'm not going to do anything about it as I hadn't even noticed it till now... Annoying to know it's there tho. Can't see it from more than 2 feet away

[mabbyb]

Received my third set today but I think it's going back for a refund & I'll give the Panasonic G30 a go.

The problems with this one are - bad clouding over loads of the screen including 4 almost symmetrical large bright patches, noticeable banding & a stuck pixel (permanently black).
I know plasmas aren't problem free but I figure it's the best chance I have of getting a clouding & banding free tv with great PQ.

[rob619]

Originally Posted by lloydread

I find that whenever you change channels or inputs it shows the black screen so it's even more important to be good on this set... Also the way it puts backlight on full when it turns on doesn't help... With dark films I personally find it very distracting, mine has a tiny amount of clouding but only in the dark with backlight on +16, at 0 there is none visable even in the dark and that's the max I would ever have the backlight at night so I'm more than happy with that.

Btw, just tested a white screen and found something it's not a dead pixel or anything but more something between the lcd and back light, kinda like a tiny thunder bug has got in there? it's probably just a tiny bit bigger than a pixel... Nannoying as it is I'm not going to do anything about it as I hadn't even noticed it till now... Annoying to know it's there tho. Can't see it from more than 2 feet away

"I find that whenever you change channels or inputs it shows the black screen so it's even more important to be good on this set" Couldn't agree with you more. This is even more important when viewing HDMI inputs such as PS3 which I will and have done constantly. I am afriad looking at the last few comments, and even pictures posted by Olly for example, the clouding on the Sharp is becoming an issue. I am expecting to recieve some on mine

[MidnightOwl]

Originally Posted by Olly C

Uuuuurgh!! Must... Stop... Looking... For... Faults

Theres actually the 1 dead pixel to the left of the center (black on a white screen) and 3 stuck lit pixels in the middle (coloured on a black screen)

Also with the lights off in the room a black screen looks like this:

image


I havent informed them of any of those findings just waiting on what they say after seeing the last picture I sent them.

This looks similar to my screen in the dark. As long as it does not affect normal viewing then is it an issue? Personally I have not looked for dead pixels (and won't be doing myself any favours if I did start looking for them)but can see some banding (however, usually I’m able to look past that by following the picture). I also saw (whilst watching the dark Knight in Blu-ray) a bit of pixilation around fast moving images - but think that was because I was sat too near the screen at the time.

The only issues/complaints I have is the viewing angle (picture looks washed out when viewed off angle) and sometimes a bit of a delay (judder/lag or whatever you want to call it) when the picture moves (usually top – down or vice versa)!!!

I have noted that using the ‘Dynamic’ option improves the picture when viewing off angle and at a distance.

[lloydread]

Originally Posted by MidnightOwl

The only issues/complaints I have is the viewing angle (picture looks washed out when viewed off angle) and sometimes a bit of a delay (judder/lag or whatever you want to call it) when the picture moves (usually top – down or vice versa)!!!

Yeah I've noticed this too, I use backlight scanning 'Scan' and film mode on 'Standard' and I think it's the film mode which is causing it on the odd occation... The problem is that without Film mode on the Scan causes a tiny bit of the soap opera affect... if it becomes a problem I'd turn backlight scanning to off and set film mode to off too. At least I hope that is the problem

[Olly C]

Well I got a call back today, they don't deem any of it as faulty so I'd have to pay for a return to get a refund.

I'm going to try and live with it over the weekend and see how I feel on Monday, I've managed to sort out the black blotchyness to some point by lowering the brightness below 0 (Currently on -3) I've managed to also sort out the colour and clarity on each of my devices to a point where I'm happy, the picture quality is actually very good after all that, the dead pixel on the white screen will maybe annoy me but the lit ones on the black are liveable, I think the fact that this hasn't got too bad banding is a plus point though.

Has anyone watched "Safari Park Adventure 3D" on Sky 3D its absolutely stunning, the intro is my "go-to" point of reference when showing someone the 3D feature of the TV, football is not as good and will probably take some adjusting, sure it looks great when you see the slow-mo replays of events but in real-time from the far out broadcast view its not as good as other 3D material.

So far film wise on Sky 3D I have recorded Jackass 3D, How to Train a Dragon, Megamind and I've got Avatar and Resident Evil Afterlife on the planner to record to, really impressed! (Did record Sanctum 3D but having watched in in 2D and found it poor I deleted it without watching it)

If people are interested I can post up the settings I'm currently using for everything to see how they compare to yours?

[mabbyb]

I'm so glad I purchased my ones from Sainsburys, there customer service has been superb & one of them even said there is no way you should have to live with any faults on a £500 tv.

They have agreed to let me return the third set to my local store to save me having to wait in any more & will then be issued a full refund. First class customer service.

[SevloW]

Originally Posted by Olly C

Uuuuurgh!! Must... Stop... Looking... For... Faults

Theres actually the 1 dead pixel to the left of the center (black on a white screen) and 3 stuck lit pixels in the middle (coloured on a black screen)

Also with the lights off in the room a black screen looks like this:

image


I havent informed them of any of those findings just waiting on what they say after seeing the last picture I sent them.

That looks more like a 'hot' pixel, rather than a dead one.

Have you tried "washing" the screen by displaying a "snowy" picture via your analogue tv tuner? You would need to leave it running for several hours, overnight would be ideal. It may fix it or it may not, but it's worth a go.

[Olly C]

Originally Posted by SevloW

That looks more like a 'hot' pixel, rather than a dead one.

Have you tried "washing" the screen by displaying a "snowy" picture via your analogue tv tuner? You would need to leave it running for several hours, overnight would be ideal. It may fix it or it may not, but it's worth a go.

The pixel thats black on a white screen? Trust me.. Its dead.

The coloured ones that are stuck on a black screen might start to work again with those methods (never have for me on other devices) but the black ones on white background almost certainly never start working again.

[SevloW]

Originally Posted by Olly C

The pixel thats black on a white screen? Trust me.. Its dead.

The coloured ones that are stuck on a black screen might start to work again with those methods (never have for me on other devices) but the black ones on white background almost certainly never start working again.

I was going by the one in the photo Olly !

If your interested I have a copy of PixelProtector which you could borrow.

[lloydread]

Sharp Customer Service really is pretty shocking in this day and age! I guess going by the letter of the law they are correct - but still

I did find the clouding can be 'changed' by the rubbing methord but hard to completely remove... the thing I have found it that it does seem to change over time anyway... it's totally different to when it was first switched on a few weeks ago (only when I get everything set to test it), not any worse, just in different places.

Well Olly I hope it gets better for you... the pixel thing is very annoying, but for me it depends how easy it is to notice, two TVs I had with this where easy to find... with this TV now I can't find any without looking really hard for the one subpixel I have (or this tiny black mark I found thanks to you lol).

Interesting what you say about 3D, I think it is really good on this TV but I am noticing anything dark black will show a kind of inverted image to the left/right... anything else is fine. It's not really crosstalk as most show as it's not a double image, more like an inverted (negative film) effect only on dark black objects (to the side of them). I've only really got a few clips in 3D and a few games on the PS3... Do you ever notice this on Blu ray 3D films?