[Zeroturn]

Originally Posted by dragonz

Now depending on the firmware you're on, with the lastest version and maybe a few back LG changed the 3D viewing capabilities of the TV. The newer algorithm allowed the TV to show full 1080 3D material. Depending on video each eye would recieve 1080i picture thus x 2 = 1080p = FullHD 3D = Happy Days..and doubters/non believers (active 3d owners) can be zip it now..lol

Any mistakes on my part please let me know .
Enjoy.

Now I'm certainly not disrespecting the PASSIVE 3D capabilities of this set, but when I had one a month ago it was 540 lines to each eye, not 2 x 1080i.
Each eye is being shown an alternate line of the picture, so each eye is only seeing an effective 540 lines of image at one time, but LG believe they show these so quickly to each eye that the brain combines them in to a 1080 image. (which is why they have put Full HD 1080 3D on the box.

I was very happy with this sets passive 3D as long as I didn't sit too close, because then I could see the loss in resolution.

I think LG have done some very clever marketing lately, new 3D algorithms is one of them.

[jasjeet]

Thanks for the replies, i only have access to the TV on weekends, so i will get back to you regarding the Audio sync settings.

As for DTS, i have a lot of MKV rips all with DTS audio, i plan to either stream them using DLNA and PS3 Media Server on the PC and set it to transcode DTS to PCM or just mux it to AC3 640kbps on the fly.

This TV is not hooked up to my B&W MT30, that is reserved for the Pioneer Kuro =P Its just for casual viewing and showing off the 3D to parents, friends etc lol, so ill be happy with the PS3MS sending the AC3 for now, my Phenom II X4 at 3.8Ghz shouldnt have a problem. I will test as soon as i get the Ethernet cable setup.

I was watching Top Gear on DTV about maybe 5m from the screen and it looked basically HD, im very impressed. At closer distances i can easily tell its SD but i think it holds up well considering the other TVs that i have seen with absymal SD performance at 2-3m distance. Of course, still no match for the Pioneer but £1000 cheaper i am very impressed.

I went to RicherSounds, the LG's by far were the best looking to my eyes for the price. Samsung was better but out of budget, Sony 803 was close to LG, Philips and Toshiba where no good and the Panasonic Plasmas had nothing on my Pioneer or the LG imo (this is considering its for very bright lit south facing room too). Plus the green blob issue just told me to stay away.

Originally Posted by Zeroturn

Each eye is being shown an alternate line of the picture, so each eye is only seeing an effective 540 lines of image at one time, but LG believe they show these so quickly to each eye that the brain combines them in to a 1080 image. (which is why they have put Full HD 1080 3D on the box.

What you describe here is 1080i, 540 lines to each eye very fast interlaced = 1080i thats why there is no perceived loss of detail. This is how i understood it.

Nevertheless, it looks excellent.

[Zeroturn]

Originally Posted by jasjeet

What you describe here is 1080i, 540 lines to each eye very fast interlaced = 1080i thats why there is no perceived loss of detail. This is how i understood it.

Nevertheless, it looks excellent.

I still don't see how 2 x 540 lines can become 1080p, surely that would only ever be 1080i, but I'm happy to leave Samsung and LG arguing over this.


I thought Passive 3D looked pretty good too.

[jasjeet]

Yes it is 1080i, but 1080i has just as much detail in theory when the frames are being put together to your eye, but yes each frame has half the info but we cant really tell. The downside is that in high motion scenes there can be tearing, but i have not noticed that, fast panning scenes look very good and judder free too.

[Twin Turbo]

Does anyone know of a good clip that I can download to show the dirty screen?

I was watching sport all weekend (rugby, golf, and football) and I noticed it in every one of them. I complained to Currys today, and he asked me to bring in something on a USB to try their instore unit. I don't have anything recorded, so looking for something that makes it stand out like a sore thumb.

Thanks.

TT.

[Simple]

@Twin Turbo
Try landscapes from youtube, something like skiing competitions in the snow.
However, if it is not too bad and if you dont have intention to return it for a refund, it is probably better to keep it if you dont have other issues.
DSE is probably the result of uneven filter coating process, enhanced by LED edge lighting, where I expect even the LM series would have.

[dragonz]

Originally Posted by Zeroturn

Now I'm certainly not disrespecting the PASSIVE 3D capabilities of this set, but when I had one a month ago it was 540 lines to each eye, not 2 x 1080i.
Each eye is being shown an alternate line of the picture, so each eye is only seeing an effective 540 lines of image at one time, but LG believe they show these so quickly to each eye that the brain combines them in to a 1080 image. (which is why they have put Full HD 1080 3D on the box.

I was very happy with this sets passive 3D as long as I didn't sit too close, because then I could see the loss in resolution.

I think LG have done some very clever marketing lately, new 3D algorithms is one of them.

Hi, yeah generally I'm not a person who follows the hype and always take a pinch of salt for marketing gimmicks.
I had read quite alot on the original way the tv displayed 3D images. From what I gather from all the technical mumbo jumbo, even though LG were marketing the TV as FULL HD 3D from day one, your right it displayed images using 540 lines and using some trickery and the human brain your would perceive to see a 1080 images.
Well, recently I read an article by a highly regarded independant testing lab (I just cannot for the life of me find the link) gave definitive details on that the new firmware now showed 1080i images per eye, thus the brain does less work in combining to visualise a 1080p images.

Here is an early article from about a german testers lab approval on a different model using the the same 3D tech by LG and then a updated review by FlatpanelsHD. At the end of the day its your perception what you can and cannot see.
LG’s Cinema 3D TVs get Full HD 3D certification - FlatpanelsHD
Update to LG Cinema 3D TV review - FlatpanelsHD

I saw a massive improvement when I saw two LW650 TV's next to each other one using the older firmware and one with the supposidly newer algorithm. One made me concentrate harder IMO and the other looked dramtically like an 1080 picture without a hesitation of concentration, then again it could be placebo..lol..

well thats my 10 pence worth..happy viewing

[dragonz]

Originally Posted by jasjeet

Thanks for the replies, i only have access to the TV on weekends, so i will get back to you regarding the Audio sync settings.

As for DTS, i have a lot of MKV rips all with DTS audio, i plan to either stream them using DLNA and PS3 Media Server on the PC and set it to transcode DTS to PCM or just mux it to AC3 640kbps on the fly.

This TV is not hooked up to my B&W MT30, that is reserved for the Pioneer Kuro =P Its just for casual viewing and showing off the 3D to parents, friends etc lol, so ill be happy with the PS3MS sending the AC3 for now, my Phenom II X4 at 3.8Ghz shouldnt have a problem. I will test as soon as i get the Ethernet cable setup.

I was watching Top Gear on DTV about maybe 5m from the screen and it looked basically HD, im very impressed. At closer distances i can easily tell its SD but i think it holds up well considering the other TVs that i have seen with absymal SD performance at 2-3m distance. Of course, still no match for the Pioneer but £1000 cheaper i am very impressed.

I went to RicherSounds, the LG's by far were the best looking to my eyes for the price. Samsung was better but out of budget, Sony 803 was close to LG, Philips and Toshiba where no good and the Panasonic Plasmas had nothing on my Pioneer or the LG imo (this is considering its for very bright lit south facing room too). Plus the green blob issue just told me to stay away.



What you describe here is 1080i, 540 lines to each eye very fast interlaced = 1080i thats why there is no perceived loss of detail. This is how i understood it.

Nevertheless, it looks excellent.

Nice bit of gloating on the equipment you got and even the PC power.lol
I do admire the B&W and use to have some stereo ones back in the day, but like so many other small size speakers my ears dictate that speakers should be bigger for a warmer defined sound. Im not knocking the B&W, Im mean its B&W not Acoustic Solutions.lol.
Ive just tested and orderd some Aviano System by mordaunt short and also on order [FONT=Trebuchet MS]Onkyo NR809..i trully cant wait. alot of money saving.lol
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Regarding the kuro, they were the best plasmas on the planet, no arguments but since panny had purchsed all the Pioneer tech and the engineers, part of the earlier panny plasmas had kuro tech inside. Now after many iterations, which i waited for the 2011's VT range in my opinion now passes the kuro range. Obviously me having the VT5030B doesnt bring a unbiased viewpoint, but i waited a long time and was very very tempted by the Kuro, but as Pioneer left I wanted to go with someone who would continue to develop further and support in the future..I am very please with my VT and glad I waited..lets see what 2012 brings..my 10 pence worth..

[Twin Turbo]

Originally Posted by Simple

@Twin Turbo
Try landscapes from youtube, something like skiing competitions in the snow.
However, if it is not too bad and if you dont have intention to return it for a refund, it is probably better to keep it if you dont have other issues.
DSE is probably the result of uneven filter coating process, enhanced by LED edge lighting, where I expect even the LM series would have.

Thanks for that.

Not really sure what I'll do. I've noticed the DSE before, but it's really not bad. But while watching the Carling Cup final on Sunday, the picture started doing funny things. I'm gonna call it pulsing. The picture was normal, but the pitch colour got progressively darker over the space of maybe 60 seconds, and then jumped back to normal brightness again!
Maybe it was just that transmission (never saw it before), but it really wrecked my head. So because of that, coupled with the DSE, I decided to complain.

BTW, I've local dimming turned off, so it wasn't that.

[Zeroturn]

Originally Posted by dragonz

Well, recently I read an article by a highly regarded independant testing lab (I just cannot for the life of me find the link) gave definitive details on that the new firmware now showed 1080i images per eye, thus the brain does less work in combining to visualise a 1080p images.

Originally Posted by from your link

Before the Cinema 3D technology worked like this: During a time period of 1/200 seconds the TV showed 2 frames; 540 lines for the left eye and 540 lines for the right eye.
The new algorithm shows 4 frames instead of 2 during the 1/200 second time frame. It shows 1080i for the left eye and 1080i for the right eye.

Okay I'm trying to understand this , they say 4 (new ??) frames every 1/200 of a second, how many times a second would the screen need to completely refresh to fit that lot in, 400 times a second ?

So what is the basic refresh rate of the LW550 & 650, without the flashing backlight Jiggery Pokery (trumotion) and what is the pixel response time to support this ?

[kenfowler3966]

You have to remember that an eye can only see so many images a second. about 25 I think, hence th early films ramn at that rate or thereabouts.

If the set shows you half of the left picture with half of the right picture at the same time for one screen refresh, and then the second half of the left picture with the second half of the right as the second refresh at a greater rate than the eye can see, then each eye has seen all of each picture for each image it sees
Effectively for one line of pixels on the screen it has to show two lines from the source for full information and shows first the left half of that information, and then the right so quickly that the eye picks up the full information available.

There was an interesting article linked on here some time ago which suggests that the eye doesn't reall work like a tv can show anyway and 2 eyes seeing the 540 half information each actually combine and supply the brain with the full 1080 image, in 3d, and even if each eye saw the full 1080 image the brain doesn't actuallt see any more information than before

[inti2192]

to all the guys trying to convert DTS to AC3, use this software which is very easy to use and will not degrade the picture quality:

MKV2AC3 1.03.03 - VideoHelp.com Downloads

[JoshShep]

I have found an issue on my 47LW650T, the TV will turn itself off, anyone know why? It comes up with a warning saying something like power save, press a key to prevent or something like that, I don't know because I don't really have time to read it. Please help

[Zeroturn]

You can adjust the "Auto off" (or what ever it is called) in the menu. I think this is a useful feature if you don't want to accidentally leave the telly on.
Pressing any button on the TV remote will reset the timer.

[Twin Turbo]

Do any of the tips on reducing lagtime actually work?

Got to play some Xbox over the weekend, for the first time since I got the set, and the lag between moving the thumbstick and the character onscreen moving is very noticeable. With all the horror stories I've read, I thought it was hardcore gamers being picky. But it's not, and it's very annoying!

Thanks.

[rsgarcia888]

now my 42LW650S is updating from ver 5.10.05 to 5.11.06... has any one also updated theirs?....any change log or difference from previous version?

[lefty2]

Just upgraded mine to 5.11.06 seems to be alot better on You Tube and a bit faster on BBC iplayer.

[maxon]

Hi, mine is updating to 05.11.06 anyone know if anything has been added or improved?.

Thanks.

[lefty2]

After upgrading from 05.01.10 to 05.11.06 YouTube startup menu is better than prevoius one and BBCiplayer appears to be abit faster

[Twin Turbo]

Originally Posted by lefty2

After upgrading from 05.01.10 to 05.11.06 YouTube startup menu is better than prevoius one and BBCiplayer appears to be abit faster

Where is the iplayer to be found?

[Twin Turbo]

Originally Posted by Twin Turbo

Do any of the tips on reducing lagtime actually work?

Got to play some Xbox over the weekend, for the first time since I got the set, and the lag between moving the thumbstick and the character onscreen moving is very noticeable. With all the horror stories I've read, I thought it was hardcore gamers being picky. But it's not, and it's very annoying!

Thanks.

Anyone?

[Fothy]

Originally Posted by Twin Turbo

Do any of the tips on reducing lagtime actually work?

Got to play some Xbox over the weekend, for the first time since I got the set, and the lag between moving the thumbstick and the character onscreen moving is very noticeable. With all the horror stories I've read, I thought it was hardcore gamers being picky. But it's not, and it's very annoying!

Thanks.

Set the AV Mode to "GAME"
and also
Set the input label to "PC"

3d gaming is slower and does still have a delay unfortunately however I found it very distracting anyway and haven't tried it since

Only issue I had was audio sync, but this can be changed through the TV setup menu.

Presume you are connecting via HDMI? Some people have suggested to only use HDMI 1 however mine is in HDMI 2 and it works fine

[DarkStranger]

Guys & Girls, I'm looking to buy one of these TV's tomorrow, but if you had the choice again, would you buy the same TV? My main use will be TV, Movies (when the misses is wake) and XBox (when the misses is asleep).
Thanks,

[Simple]

I bought this TV and returned (for different reasons), but to be honest it was the best in the market and I think the new ones have the same panels any way and would be a lot more expensive and not much better. I do not think it is great for gaming, but if you get it for a good price go ahead.

[Twin Turbo]

Originally Posted by Fothy

Set the AV Mode to "GAME"
and also
Set the input label to "PC"

3d gaming is slower and does still have a delay unfortunately however I found it very distracting anyway and haven't tried it since

Only issue I had was audio sync, but this can be changed through the TV setup menu.

Presume you are connecting via HDMI? Some people have suggested to only use HDMI 1 however mine is in HDMI 2 and it works fine

Thanks for the info.

Relabelled the input to pc, but didn't see any difference. Changed the av mode to game though, and there's a world of difference!
Don't know if there's still lag or not, but I certainly can't detect any!
Just for completeness, I relabelled the input back to game, and the lag is still gone!
So I now have the input labelled Game (with the image of the controller) and the av mode set to game, and have no lag.

Oh btw, I'm using component. Haven't used hdmi as I need to run optical to my headphones, so need the component adaptor. That rules out 3d for the time being. Have just ordered an hdmi adaptor and lead, which will allow me to use the optical and hdmi at the same time, so I'll see how it goes after that.

Thanks again for the info.

Ps. Updated to the latest firmware yesterday, so maybe that has something to do with it?!

[Twin Turbo]

Originally Posted by DarkStranger

Guys & Girls, I'm looking to buy one of these TV's tomorrow, but if you had the choice again, would you buy the same TV? My main use will be TV, Movies (when the misses is wake) and XBox (when the misses is asleep).
Thanks,

I would.

Had a couple of teething problems, but overall the set is superb.
I see the dirty screen thing every so often, but only when I look for it. I forget it's there most of the time!
Suffered with the lag during Xbox gaming, but after changing settings, it's spot on.
Passive 3D is superb, especially with 2 young kids in the house! No glasses worries!

P.S. I've a February 2012 build. Don't know if that has anything to do with it.

[kureke]

Originally Posted by DarkStranger

Guys & Girls, I'm looking to buy one of these TV's tomorrow, but if you had the choice again, would you buy the same TV? My main use will be TV, Movies (when the misses is wake) and XBox (when the misses is asleep).
Thanks,

One of the best tv-s for that price. 3D is good, 2D is very good At least for me...

[DarkStranger]

Originally Posted by Twin Turbo

I would.

Had a couple of teething problems, but overall the set is superb.
I see the dirty screen thing every so often, but only when I look for it. I forget it's there most of the time!
Suffered with the lag during Xbox gaming, but after changing settings, it's spot on.
Passive 3D is superb, especially with 2 young kids in the house! No glasses worries!

P.S. I've a February 2012 build. Don't know if that has anything to do with it.

What is the dirty screen issue?

[Twin Turbo]

Originally Posted by DarkStranger

What is the dirty screen issue?

I don't really want to tell you about it if you don't already know!

It basically looks like the inside of the screen is dirty, and in fast moving pictures on a uniform coloured background eg. footie, rugby, skiing, etc., when the camera pans across, you can see vertical lines of "dirt".
It really isn't noticeable in everyday viewing, and even during sports, you might catch it out of the corner of your eye.

But I certainly wouldn't let it turn me off getting the set. I'm delighted with mine.

Places like AVForums are the best and worst in the world. Most people only come on here to find a solution to their problems, which would lead you to believe that the 650 is plagued. But there are many hundreds, if not thousands, of sets sold and there are only maybe a couple of dozen people on here complaining.
Obviously those people shouldn't be ignored, as they have genuine grievances. But they shouldn't be taken as gospel either, and you should make up your own mind.

One of the LG reps on here has previously confirmed that there are known issues with the current range of LG sets...some issues more noticeable than others. So there should be no issue with returning a bad set if you happen to get one.

Give it a try. Get it home, adjust the settings to your liking, and live with it for a few weeks. Unless you get a really bad set, I reckon you'll be delighted.

[Simple]

@ DarkStranger,
This TV has the best 3d picture and most beautiful colors (just compare the skin tones with other TV's and you will see, Samsung image is a little sharper though). and LG is an excellent brand name in the TV arena.

DSE is common with LED panels, so it is not the only TV with issues. I thought of buying the new Panasonic, they usually make excellent sets, but I learnt that they are using LG panels!! I will wait for the review because it seems that Panasonic are using two different panels in their range.

My advice is buy the LG TV and if you do not see any thing that annoys you just keep it.