[taz23]

Originally Posted by jasjw

I love this tv but the 3d isnt a patch on the sammy d7000/d8000. The sony 3d lacks depth and has too much xtalk.

I had the 64D8000 1st that was way better than the LED 55D8000, to me the LED lacked depth, I haven't tried the Sony yet so haven't compared it yet, but not to fussed I got the TV for 2D not 3D.

[taz23]

What do you guys use to clean your screen, as I have a few finger marks off installing the TV.

[Ninjafoot]

Originally Posted by taz23

What do you guys use to clean your screen, as I have a few finger marks off installing the TV.

For the glass screen on the sony i would use a pledge fluffy duster i have one of these and it's a very good investment when it comes to removing dust off my Av gear.

For the finger prints i would use a mircofibre cloth.

[taz23]

Originally Posted by markiedee

For the glass screen on the sony i would use a pledge fluffy duster i have one of these and it's a very good investment when it comes to removing dust off my Av gear.

For the finger prints i would use a mircofibre cloth.

Cheers.

[ReD88]

Quote from review. "We were quite disappointed that the full array backlighting wasn’t really effective for the local dimming system – in fact we left it off owing to the excessive haloing it induced but overall uniformity was improved over the edge-lit examples we’ve seen from Sony recently. And there was no dreaded ‘crease’ evident!"

You gotta be kidding me if you trust a reviewer who did that.

[lukather101]

What don't you agree with..

[ReD88]

Originally Posted by lukather101

What don't you agree with..

Um turning local dimming off on a full array local dimming LCD.

Thats the MAIN thing that makes the 923 what it is and in a league of its own. Am i really the only one who read this review and came to this conclusion?

[aircub]

Originally Posted by ReD88

Um turning local dimming off on a full array local dimming LCD.

Thats the MAIN thing that makes the 923 what it is and in a league of its own. Am i really the only one who read this review and came to this conclusion?

Local dimming is its strength and it's weakness there are just not enough led clusters and I found haloing very distracting on some content but at other times the picture was great. It's interesting to speculate where Sony are going with their TV plants, they are making huge losses, have got out of LCD screen manufacture and given up on large screen OLED. They either have their own new technology or are going for commodity platforms as they have to stem their huge losses.

[vincie]

Originally Posted by ReD88

Um turning local dimming off on a full array local dimming LCD.

Thats the MAIN thing that makes the 923 what it is and in a league of its own. Am i really the only one who read this review and came to this conclusion?

Nope, I had to read that part(Review), again. My set isn't perfect-haloing off axis, slight creases- but generally puts out a fabulous picture with LD on.

[Mark Hodgkinson]

Originally Posted by ReD88

Quote from review. "We were quite disappointed that the full array backlighting wasn’t really effective for the local dimming system – in fact we left it off owing to the excessive haloing it induced but overall uniformity was improved over the edge-lit examples we’ve seen from Sony recently. And there was no dreaded ‘crease’ evident!"

You gotta be kidding me if you trust a reviewer who did that.

If the LD had been any good, I'd have left it on. I've seen better local dimming on edge lit sets to be honest and sorry to burst your bubble but the 923 is quite far from being in a league of its own, good though it is.

EDIT: Although I am willing to believe the dimming would be more effective on the larger 923's which have more zones but 2,073,600/72 just doesn't cut it.

[ReD88]

Originally Posted by Mark Hodgkinson

If the LD had been any good, I'd have left it on. I've seen better local dimming on edge lit sets to be honest and sorry to burst your bubble but the 923 is quite far from being in a league of its own, good though it is.

EDIT: Although I am willing to believe the dimming would be more effective on the larger 923's which have more zones but 2,073,600/72 just doesn't cut it.

If your going to complain about blooming on full array local dimming sets i dont see how an edge lit set like the hx823 with a lousy 20 zones can perform better. Edge lit local dimming creates major halos even with only a small bright object on dark scenes.

Also, i agree the hx923 has blooming but its only very noticeable when viewing from off axis. From on axis its practically non existent on real world content (not counting white text on black backgrounds where its noticeable even from on axis such as movie credits, but who really cares about something that futile??) The main reason its more expensive and pumps out a better picture than most other LCD's is because of its local dimming yet you agree on turning it off? Might as well save yourself a few grand and buy an 823/723.

The hx923 is certainly in a league of its own. There are only a handful of other sets that perform as well as this set does in all areas when viewing it from on axis, which i imagine is how MOST people view their sets. Sorry to burst your bubble and disregard your review.

Id love for someone to post this review at avsforum and see how many others will say what a complete joke it is with zero reliability. Turning off the one setting which sets this tv apart from the crappy edge lit LCD's and gives this set the amazing contrast and blacks that its so well known for. The technology which finally brings LCD close to achieving plasma-like blacks while still retaining the strengths of LCD albeit a few sacrifices only for off axis viewing which most people feel is well, well worth the compromise. Not to mention thats the sole reason its far more expensive than most other sets out there.

[Mark Hodgkinson]

Originally Posted by ReD88

snip.

LOL, you obviously haven't been in the position of having long amounts of hands on time with almost all the top range LED TVs this year.

The comment about an edge-lit bettering the 923 for haloing with LD on was largely made with the a Toshiba WL in mind, and there's no question that in the samples I've been given it did. Sorry but the haloing was unacceptable to me with LD on any setting, even from bang in front but I'm willing to accept the 55 and 65 could be better; unfortunately I can't comment on those as that's not what I was sent.

For the record, I almost routinely bemoan haloing be it on edge or full array, it just can't be avoided but if you're willing to tolerate it, then good for you. Being amongst a handful of sets doesn't make it in a league of its own, that's a contradiction. In the review I even intimate it's one of the top TVs out this last 12 months but for some reason you've chosen to concentrate on one of the few negatives from it.

There's no touchiness from me but if someone is posting that the review is unsound, as you did, I'm quite happy to defend myself.

[ReD88]

If your so sure that its correct to turn it off, then post your review at avsforum on the hx929 owners thread. It'll be interesting to see what the other owners and professional calibrators around there would think about that.

[taz23]

Believe me, I just got rid of a Samsung 55 D8000 and replaced it with the 55 923 and the 923 blows it clean out of the water, the screen on my Samsung was terrible, I had 4 replacements all just as bad, flashlight from each corner like someone was shining a torch from each corner of the TV towards the middle, the left of one of my screens was about 20% darker than the right, light bleed between the glass & the bezel, clouding, DSE and juddering. The Samsung's D8000 is the top of the range model & for me the Sony wins hands down, each Samsung had at least 5 faults while my Sony has DSE & that's it from what I see. I can live with just one fault.

[Mark Hodgkinson]

Originally Posted by ReD88

If your so sure that its correct to turn it off, then post your review at avsforum on the hx929 owners thread. It'll be interesting to see what the other owners and professional calibrators around there would think about that.

Ha, I've enough keeping up with all the threads on here I'm not about to start giving feedback over there. Feel free to post it yourself and invite feedback in the review thread here though but remember what's acceptable to one might not be to another and if I were calibrating a 923 for anyone else, I'd show them what it does and allow them to choose for themselves

[Jasonjo]

I posted a link to Mark's review over at AVS as soon as it was out...I don't believe anyone even noticed ot or has commented on it...

[ReD88]

Originally Posted by Jasonjo

I posted a link to Mark's review over at AVS as soon as it was out...I don't believe anyone even noticed ot or has commented on it...

Ya it probably got drowned out from all the other posts.

Maybe give it another shot?

[Har-One]

I do not think that the review was unfair in any way or shape. I have said before that arguably the HX923 is the best TV at the moment in the UK market. However I do not think that it is perfect or in a league of its own. Haloing is a serious issue. If LD is high it is impossible to avoid from any angle, unless the person’s eye has a serious de-haloing technology. When LD is low then on axis it is reasonable unnoticeable. It is true at times it produces pictures which are perfect or close to perfect but only with the right material. I mean Blu-Ray quality and the type of scene where most problems are invisible. Otherwise it is far from perfect. In addition the price of the TV is premium one should expect to have an almost flawless television which is not the case with the HX923 or any other current TV for that matter. DSE is another problem which is very visible and distracting at times.


To make it even worse, Sony Support is close to rubbish. If one gets a faulty TV then one is for a very bumpy trip. Loads of Sony Centres are going down the pan mainly because Sony products are not up to scratch when it comes to quality and it is the same reason that Sony is making a loss. QC in Sony used to be exemplary but it is very far from it at the moment. I do not mind paying the tag if the product is worth it but if it falls below decent then I want my money back. I assume that many other customer think the same.


I think that Mark’s Review was very balanced and fair. I just want to add that I bought the 65 which is probably “better” and I can see those problems in my set.

[trc]

Replacement number 4 dead on arrival.

With this luck, i shan't be buying any lottery tickets just yet!

Out of interest, has anyone received a 46HX923 with a build date later than August?

Most of the ones i have had are AUG build. I see that other sizes have later build dates, and am wondering if they stopped producing the 46 post Aug, or i have just been receiving stock from the same batch?

[ReD88]

Originally Posted by Mark Hodgkinson

LOL, you obviously haven't been in the position of having long amounts of hands on time with almost all the top range LED TVs this year.

The comment about an edge-lit bettering the 923 for haloing with LD on was largely made with the a Toshiba WL in mind, and there's no question that in the samples I've been given it did. Sorry but the haloing was unacceptable to me with LD on any setting, even from bang in front but I'm willing to accept the 55 and 65 could be better; unfortunately I can't comment on those as that's not what I was sent.

For the record, I almost routinely bemoan haloing be it on edge or full array, it just can't be avoided but if you're willing to tolerate it, then good for you. Being amongst a handful of sets doesn't make it in a league of its own, that's a contradiction. In the review I even intimate it's one of the top TVs out this last 12 months but for some reason you've chosen to concentrate on one of the few negatives from it.

There's no touchiness from me but if someone is posting that the review is unsound, as you did, I'm quite happy to defend myself.

That Toshiba is actually partially backlit and edge lit so its not just using edge local dimming which is what you said bests the hx923 with LD on. The reality is that its far from being the truth.

Secondly, you gotta be kidding me to say that toshiba even stands on the same ground as the hx923. I have seen it and the color reproduction/blacks/contrast/motion/detail are all loads behind the Sony. Its not even close... The colors even after major adjustment still look screwed up on that panel LOL.

But of course ive had no experience with these very super high end LED sets. Especially the "high end" edge lit leds...lol

[Jasonjo]

I don't find the haloing or DSE bad enough the spoil my viewing, but they are present to varying degrees at varying times

I still think the screens vary greatly in quality as people on hear report uniformity and haloing issues that seem a lot worse than my own set - my third set which had a faulty HDMI input definitely had much worse haloing than my current set

Comparing the competition I am happy with my decision as given all the issues on all the top end sets I can live with the ones I have more than the issues I have heard about on other owners threads

There is no perfect TV at the moment, so it all comes down to personal taste and compromises

[Mark Hodgkinson]

Originally Posted by ReD88

Um that Toshiba is actually partially backlit and edge lit so its not just using edge local dimming which is what you said bests the hx923 with LD on. The reality is that its far from being the truth.

Factually incorrect, it's totally edge-lit. Don't let the marketing catch you out. The fact that it slightly betters the 923's local dimming is surprising but then there's nowhere enough zones on either to stop the haloing, it's just less apparent with the WL with it engaged. Neither system is brilliant.

Secondly, you gotta be kidding me to say that toshiba even stands on the same ground as the hx923. I have seen it and the color reproduction/blacks/contrast/motion/detail are all loads behind the Sony. Its not even close... The colors even after major adjustment still look screwed up on that panel LOL.

This paragraph leads me to the conclusion you're speaking from an ill informed position. For the record, and fwiw, if I had to choose between them, I'd go for the 923 but it's a lot closer than you seem to think.

I'm sorry if you're offended at the idea your TV isn't perfect, thankfully it seems the general tone of the other owners is far more mature.

But let's face it, local dimming will never be perfect until we get Sony's Crystal LED TV.

[Mark Hodgkinson]

Originally Posted by Jasonjo

There is no perfect TV at the moment, so it all comes down to personal taste and compromises

And you can't say fairer than the above

Sorry guys, if you want me now it will have to be in the review feedback thread but thanks for all your comments here!

[Stella1971]

Originally Posted by lukather101

2 Months

Looks like I've done quite well then, they received the forms on 06.01.12, I got my PS3 on Saturday and just had the cashback card through the post today. Well done Sony

[romerojpg]

Anyone upgrading to the new 3D model glasses? wouldnt mind finding them cheap! mind you will the old Sony glasses drop in price?

[Jasonjo]

Originally Posted by romerojpg

Anyone upgrading to the new 3D model glasses? wouldnt mind finding them cheap! mind you will the old Sony glasses drop in price?

I might do but they are not out for a while I think - my wife doesn't really like the current ones and says they are a bit heavy in the nose

They will probably be quite expensive by their "designer" nature

[taz23]

Originally Posted by Jasonjo

I might do but they are not out for a while I think - my wife doesn't really like the current ones and says they are a bit heavy in the nose

They will probably be quite expensive by their "designer" nature

Will they fix the head tilt issue?

[taz23]

Originally Posted by Jasonjo

I might do but they are not out for a while I think - my wife doesn't really like the current ones and says they are a bit heavy in the nose

They will probably be quite expensive by their "designer" nature

Will they sort the head tilt issue?

[Geoff_D]

I love the look of the new glasses. Because the lenses have no frames there should be no distracting light reflections. Huzzah!

[Jasonjo]

Originally Posted by Geoff_D

I love the look of the new glasses. Because the lenses have no frames there should be no distracting light reflections. Huzzah!

Yeah that really bugs me too!!