[jono t]

Originally Posted by kevcal

Okay, I'll maybe have another play around with the settings - can't remember what I was showing at the time.. maybe you can only change real cinema when playing on blu-ray as think it's a 24p option..?

Seen there are some LG youtube videos on all these buzzwords, so will watch some of them I guess.

Find I'm up till the early hours playing around with this; especially as I picked up a currys' shop display BD660 as well now (£50, I think a bargain) and that allows streaming (after firmware upgrade) of mkv, m4v, avi, et al off my 'dumb' NAS drive (ie no DNLA).

Yeah, there are two tiny 'holes' or something (I struggle to focus that closely!).. I'll leave it then(!).

I've installed latest v4 software and wonder what's changed.. wish they'd release a changelog or even a simple comment with these releases.

Hi again , just had a thought in game mode the real cinema is greyed out,
also if you label you cable box HDMI game , this will also grey out real cinema.

[jono t]

In case not everyone with a LM model knows, there is a menu that you can access when watching 3D apps or love film trailers, no need to subscribe,
when you are in any of theses two, push down on curser on tv remote, scroll along to options select options and a picture menu will appear, you can choose from standard, cimema or game mode, adjusting picture to your preference, the settings you set in this menu, will be the ones you will use for all online content, eg, i player youtube, love film, netflix ,and streaming pc content to your TV, hope this helps .
jono.


jono.

[goodwin_rj]

anyone know what is in the new firmware update 04.01.27?
Cheers

[chris16v]

i have updated to 04.01.27 tonight and cannot see any menu differences. however i am pretty sure it has improved motion clarity and i am getting less banding on fast motion.

[kevcal]

Watched a fair bit of 24p stuff last night, can see no obvious smearing or judder at all.
Is it fixed or would I not really see it...? (jono settings).

[phaser]

Hi, I have upgraded to 04.01.27 & for some reason made my 3d picture settings (2d picture was unaltered) extremely bright & colourful with a strong blue tinge, very strange. All picture settings were the same as before the upgrade these had not altered as my 1st thought was it had reset settings, seemed almost like it had reverted to standard / vivid mode. Had to go into menu & change pic setting from warm to medium, was the only way to get the picture OK. Anyone else noticed this?

[newbuyer17]

I am considering buying a 42" one of these TVs, but am a bit put off by the comments on here and the 760T thread (I assume they share a panel at least, not to mention a lot of other stuff)

It appears that the juddering and unrealistic motion is the biggest issue with this set? Is that correct? And has a solution been found? I think it would really bug me to be honest.

On the 760T thread there is a lot of criticism of light bleed from the corners of the panel, but that doesn't appear to be complained about on this thread for this TV? Does the 670 not suffer from this?

Are there any other issues I should be aware of, and would you recommend it?

There isn't much else out there for passive 3d 42" TVs.
Also wondered about a TOshiba VL9 (cant remember the model number) but can find very little in the way of info or reviews.

Thanks

[marshmallowman]

Bought an LG 42 LM660T on Friday and I am cautiously pleased. A little bit of motion blur at times, but overall not bad. I did have a heart attack while playing Fifa 12 on PS3, as the whole thing was a juddery, blurry mess to the point where it was unplayable, but then I realised that Jono's settings hadn't been applied to all inputs and that the HDMI input was still on the original settings. Once that was sorted it was fine, although I think the people at LG must be insane to ship a TV with default settings that make the TV unusable.

My question is regarding the YouTube app. I've synced it with my YouTube account and that shows me my favourites and subscriptions in two playlists. Now, is there a way to view all the videos in those playlists without playing them? Because it's pretty useless otherwise. At the moment I click on the playlist and it plays the latest video, meaning I can't see the videos beforehand or choose what I want to watch. What I suppose I'm asking is whether I missed something and there's a way to view videos in a list like on the internet?

Edit: Although that said, I'm still getting quite a bit of judder when playing Fifa, but only on set-pieces or throw-ins, when the ball goes from stationary to moving. It's gone when I turn tru-motion off, so I assume that's the cause. The problem is that turning it off causes blurring during play due to the quick movement, so on or off there's an issue. Any solution?

Edit number 2: After further experimentation, I don't even think it is Tru-Motion doing it. It just seems to do it randomly, but never when the play is going. So if I un-pause it, it judders for a few seconds then it's fine, or if a corner's taken, etc. I would write it off as the game being odd, since I can't think of a cause, but it's never happened until I got this TV. Really irritating.

Final edit: Now noticing this happening on everything, including TV so not just external inputs. Just once in a while everything seems to slow down and judder through a few frames, before returning to normal. Not good enough. Praying someone knows how to fix it.

[Monarch]

Originally Posted by chris16v

HDMI cables....
what's the opinion here on cheap and expensive HDMI cables. The image displayed by my 47lm670 is still a bit grainy in motion (even with using expert1 and jono settings with 1080i) and i get horizontal lines on fast movement as well.
i am using a budget £15 3m hdmi cable which conforms to 1.3. My question is, would a newer cable make much difference, and does an "expenive" hdmi cable really make much difference to picture qulaity either?

what do you think? ( i know some members are gonna say yes, but why?)

As was mentioned before, you should be fine with a cheap cable (£15 is pretty pricey to be honest!). Ultimately it's a digital signal so the "it's either all signal or no signal" expression is pretty much valid; in theory there's no way to give you a worse picture unless it gives no picture at all (pretty much), even cheap cables aren't so rubbish that they'll drop the signal all the time though. The only real benefits of more expensive cables are better build quality and stuff like that; I did once have a really cheap one which just fell apart after unplugging and plugging back in a few times while moving my PS3.

I think really long cables (10 metres or more) are a different story and more pricey cables are more of a must, but I assume it's a regular length cable of just a couple of metres or less. It's more complicated than I made it out to be, but a £15 cable should be fine (all of mine are cheaper).

[marshmallowman]

I'm going to clarify here that the issue isn't blurring. It's more that it literally seems as though the framerate has dropped to almost nothing. Watching Emmerdale now and it's doing it every few seconds for about half a second each time.

[jono t]

Originally Posted by marshmallowman

I'm going to clarify here that the issue isn't blurring. It's more that it literally seems as though the framerate has dropped to almost nothing. Watching Emmerdale now and it's doing it every few seconds for about half a second each time.

Hi marshmallowman, try trumotion on USER dejudder 2 see if this stops the judder.

Jono.

[marshmallowman]

Tried that. Like I say, I've got your settings. It seems that on the gaming front it's just heavy input lag. Putting it onto the default 'game' picture setting fixes the issue. Indeed, using the 'game' picture setting fixes it for tv channels too. This seems odd to me, as surely there can be no input lag from the built in tuner? I assume then that it's lag caused by picture processing. It just seems stupid that the only way to avoid this lag is to sacrifice some picture quality and features, although I'm sure it's not a universal issue and I'm in a minority.

[grahamtriggs]

Originally Posted by marshmallowman

]This seems odd to me, as surely there can be no input lag from the built in tuner? I assume then that it's lag caused by picture processing. It just seems stupid that the only way to avoid this lag is to sacrifice some picture quality and features,

That's not what is meant by input lag. It's not a lag that's added to the input before processing, it's the time taken to translate the input into an onscreen image - i.e. the picture processing.

Although the tuner is built in to the TV, at a circuit level, you can think of it as a separate unit, which will produce a signal to be sent to the processing in the same way as any of the other inputs.

The time taken for picture processing is essentially a non-issue for any non-interactive content. When you are watching the TV, it really doesn't matter if the frames are displayed even seconds after they were received, just as long as they all appear, and in the correct order.

It's only an issue in gaming, because a delay to the image will increase the time it takes between it being rendered by a console (which will then move on to do the next frame, and the next, etc), and you providing an input. It also increases the time before you see the effect of your input. Basically, it just feels like you are playing with worse reactions.

And unfortunately, it's not stupid for the processing to cause a lag. By definition, processing takes time, and the more processing you attempt to do, the more time and/or processing power it will take.

In fact, motion interpolation relies on being able to analyse multiple frames, to see how the image is moving - and these can only arrive at the frame rate. If (for example) the analysis took place over 50 frames, then it would need a full seconds worth of frames in order to do that analysis. Although such processing lag can be minimised by looking only at the frames that it has received in the past, and not trying to buffer / look ahead.

[Mavrick1881]

Are the 660T/669T/670T all pretty much identical tvs?

[kevcal]

Yes just bezel colouring differences.

[samelamin]

Hi

I was thinking of getting the 47LM670T but from the comments I really am a bit worried

Is it really bad playing Fifa12 on ps3?

for anyone who has tried it, is it actually 3D on FIFA 12? seeing as the ps3 supports 3D

Is my money better invested on a panasonic, ireally have my heart set on a passive 3d TV and from all the reviews I read LG are by far the best in that

What are your thoughts on this guys?

[rEeee]

FIFA is absolutely fine when u turn game mode on.

FIFA doesn't support 3D...Games like Uncharted 3 and Arkham City can be played in 3D.

[grahamtriggs]

Originally Posted by samelamin

Is it really bad playing Fifa12 on ps3?

Haven't tried Fifa, but my gaming experience of an LM76 is quite positive. I don't play online though, and that could potentially be where any lag is really critical.

Originally Posted by samelamin

for anyone who has tried it, is it actually 3D on FIFA 12? seeing as the ps3 supports 3D

Both the TV and the console to support 3D, but you really need the game to support 3D as well, which afaik, it doesn't. You could try the 2D -> 3D convert, but that's not going to be particularly good.

Originally Posted by samelamin

Is my money better invested on a panasonic, ireally have my heart set on a passive 3d TV and from all the reviews I read LG are by far the best in that

In my experience, I'm very sensitive to plasma issues (including Panasonic), and I haven't seen any compelling reasons for choosing a non-LG passive 3D LCD. But you should try and take a look at them for yourself.

[samelamin]

Originally Posted by rEeee

FIFA is absolutely fine when u turn game mode on.

FIFA doesn't support 3D...Games like Uncharted 3 and Arkham City can be played in 3D.

Thanks for the quick reply

what about 2d to 3d conversion? shouldnt that convert the image to 3d?

[Hustler1337]

Hi guys,

I'm very close to buying the 47LM670T. Unfortunately, the only images of the TV I have seen is the stock photos on the LG website and those used by various retailers on their website. Can someone be very kind and post actual pictures of their TV using a camera and upload them, so I can see the 'real' TV rather than stock images of the TV?

Would really appreciate it, preferably decent quality photos.

THank you.

[Tirral86]

What kind of prices are you guys paying for the 47lm670t and where from?
Looking to get either the 620t or this one.

Thanks

[vaktmestern]

Bought a lm-670 saturday as a impulse buy was out for sum pepsi max returned with this tv in 47" but i did return it this evning for a couple of reasons..

Plusses:

Great bright 3D no crosstalk at all, relly enjoyd it vs active shutter glasses.
The lg link to its cinema systems are really good
Fantastic net browser with the magic remote.
Easy to use really a user friendly tv
No cloading at all tested it even in total darkness
could notice any 24z bugs even in a dark room
Lg menyes and settings are impressive.

The cons:

Blacks in dim and dark rooms are almost light grey, but sum room light really helpt this tv.
Gaming lag was noticeble high for me, so i couldnt keep it as a gaming tv.
App marked place is not up to samsung standards, but thats not a important aspect for me.

Give the tv a 7,5 out 10 I know its a budget tv set but i couldnt keep it of its gaming lag
This i can see more as a fam front room tv for easy to use 3D.

[Leonheart]

Originally Posted by jono t

Hi here are my settings below.

EXPERT 1

backlight 70
contrast 76
brightness 53
H sharp 28
V sharp 28
colour 55
tint 0
EXPERT CONTROL
dynamic contrast off
super res on
colour gamut wide
colour filter off
edge enhancher low
gamma 1.9
PICTURE OPTION
N/R off
MPEG off
black level low
real cinema on
local dimming low
Tru-motion (user de judder 2)
WHITE BALANCE
colour temp warm
method 2 point
pattern outer
point low
red -1
green 2
blue-1

hope this helps jono.

Thanks for these settings, looks great ! I have a 47 LM6200 can't find the local dimming option though...

For games or movies do you use these settings too or do you have others?

[Mavrick1881]

Originally Posted by Hustler1337

Hi guys,

I'm very close to buying the 47LM670T. Unfortunately, the only images of the TV I have seen is the stock photos on the LG website and those used by various retailers on their website. Can someone be very kind and post actual pictures of their TV using a camera and upload them, so I can see the 'real' TV rather than stock images of the TV?

Would really appreciate it, preferably decent quality photos.

THank you.

Jono posted loads earlier in the thread mate, pretty much what has convinced me to buy it

[Nomis1]

Hi all, ive had my 47LM670 for just under 2 weeks now. Im very pleased with it so far but the audio lag is really getting on my nerves now. It seems to be fine when i use the GAME mode but was wondering if there is a fix for other modes too.? What am I missing?

Thanks for your help..

[jono t]

Originally Posted by Nomis1

Hi all, ive had my 47LM670 for just under 2 weeks now. Im very pleased with it so far but the audio lag is really getting on my nerves now. It seems to be fine when i use the GAME mode but was wondering if there is a fix for other modes too.? What am I missing?

Thanks for your help..

Hi turn tru-motion off, or set to USER de-judder 2, see if this sorts the audio lag.

[jono t]

Originally Posted by Leonheart

Thanks for these settings, looks great ! I have a 47 LM6200 can't find the local dimming option though...

For games or movies do you use these settings too or do you have others?

The 620 does'nt have local dimming , I use the game mode for games, with the similar settings, in game mode theres no L.D or tru-motion . I changed backlight to 60 and colour to 60, colour temp to w8
and thats all, hope this helps

jono.

[jono t]

Here are my 3D settings .

in the 3D settings
3D mode Manual
3D depth 10
3D viewpoint 0

in 3D mode standard
backlight 97
contrast 97
brightness 50
sharpness 25
colour 60
tint 0
colour temp 0
advance settings
dynamic contrast low
dynamic colour low
clear white off
super res on
gamma medium
Picture option
NR low
Mpeg low
black level low
real cinema off
local dimming low
tru-motion user dejudder 2.

[vaktmestern]

Still no way to improve the blacks tho...

[jono t]

Originally Posted by vaktmestern

Still no way to improve the blacks tho...

Hi you could change dynamic contrast to medium, and local dimming to medium, see if this helps with the blacks, my blacks seem fine with these settings.