[zAndy1]

All I'd like to say is this....LG for crying out loud stop concentrating on gimmicks (e.g pentouch), stop trying to make your TVs as thin as you can or as pretty as you can (although I forgive you that as long as everything else is right) and for gods sake concentrate on making a bloody TV with a picture that doesn't have banding or halo-ing the likes of which have been displayed on this thread. This years TVs have been awful, whether Passive 3D has anything to do with that I don't know , I'm all for passive 3D but it's not worth the price that has to be paid in terms of PQ issues I'm afraid. Go back to the drawing board and make a TV that nobody on here will have a bad word to say about, ok impossible you say and yes to a certain extent I agree but surely it's not that hard to make a TV that doesn't have these issues? You can't go charging £2.7k for a TV like the 980T, it's simply not worth it , if you're gonna charge that amount of money make a product that is worth that kind of money and doesn't have issues that would be pretty much inexcusable on a £300 TV let alone one costing nearly £3k! At the start of this year I was a big fan of LG but now 11 months later it's going to take a lot for me to consider an LG TV again simply because you've got your priorities wrong, at these sorts of price points PQ is everything and there's no excuse for trying to sell people a product that's not worthy of the price they're paying. I hope LG get things right next year I really do but you need to concentrate on PQ , oh and DTS support would help as well I mean come on it's par for the course these days surely....

Cheers
Andy

[HaRd2BeAr]

Originally Posted by UltiResis

Watching in a dark room is no different to how cinemas have done things for years, they don't have ambient or bias lighting, at least not in any of the ones I have been to.

Forgot to say isn't a theatre different? Haven't been to one in a long time. (over 4 years) But isn't it a projector screen so the light comes from behind you onto a screen and hey presto good times.

Where as an lcd the light source is behind the screen so you are looking straight at (ccfl lighting/ leds), and a plasma is the light source. That is why its so fatiguing for your eyes.

[wastedyuthe]

Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr

Uh oh i am going there again.

You shouldn't really be watching tv without some ambient/biased light.

Its tiring for your eyes constantly adjusting to the image on screen. Your tv should not be the only light source in the room.

Aaron

Hi fella

Whilst I normally do watch tv, movies or otherwise, with ambient light either behind or above the tv, i take exception with certain movies sometimes especially with something dark and atmospheric such as Alien.

Regardless, taking the photo's in a pitch black room is the best way to demo the good and bad of the tv. It shows that with LD on it becomes very hard to see where the picture ends and the bezel begins- excellent blacks. It also shows the difference very easily between LD on and off.

Obviously the difference between blacks with LD on and off will be less noticeable in a brighter room. But typically a movie such as Alien is going to be watched in more ambient or darker light.

[HaRd2BeAr]

Originally Posted by wastedyuthe

Hi fella

Whilst I normally do watch tv, movies or otherwise, with ambient light either behind or above the tv, i take exception with certain movies sometimes especially with something dark and atmospheric such as Alien.

Regardless, taking the photo's in a pitch black room is the best way to demo the good and bad of the tv. It shows that with LD on it becomes very hard to see where the picture ends and the bezel begins- excellent blacks. It also shows the difference very easily between LD on and off.

Obviously the difference between blacks with LD on and off will be less noticeable in a brighter room. But typically a movie such as Alien is going to be watched in more ambient or darker light.

Thats cool mate, i know you only took the pictures in a the dark to emphasis the negatives and the positives of the local dimming.

Sorry don't want to sound like a boring nag, just think its important to have an understanding of how the body works.

[UltiResis]

I have plenty of understanding of the human body and I do understand what you mean and agree you are right according to experts the eyes do have to work harder and can grow tired but...

The thing is all this nitpicking health and safety nannying is a crock of crap if you ask me. Yes we do need to have some H&S in place in many situations. If you want to watch with lights on then great carry on but anyone telling others that they should do this or do that is plain wrong as this thread has shown on a number of occasions. I'm not saying that you are dictating to us but just saying generally speaking this country is health and safety mad and if we followed all the rules we would A)get nothing done and B) spoil a lot of the fun in life.

Ask for example AC/DC, LED Zep, Black Sabbath, Metallica, and countless other non-metal/non-rock bands if they could turn it down as it's not good for your ears and you will get the same answer from them and music fans the world over. Loud is part of what makes it great and if it wasn't so loud then it wouldn't be the same. Even a live non amplified orchestra is way way over the recommended decibel levels and have no way to turn it down. An acoustic guitar alone is pretty close to the levels which experts say is not good for hearing after only a short time. If anyone is not happy with this then they can either not attend or wear ear plugs but they don't go and start telling others they shouldn't listen without plugs because they will damage their ears. I consider watching movies in a dark room to be a similar situation, watching in a room with lights on is not as enjoyable or engrossing for me.

Erm a theatre/cinema or projector is no different, the light is reflected back to your eyes from the screen so it is exactly the same as it coming from a TV as far as I am concerned. It is still light coming directly to your eyes from a surface, that is obviously how we see, from light reflected off the world around us. What about rear projection where the PJ is mounted behind the screen and the picture comes through the screen (although this is something rarely seen). Ask PJ experts and they will tell you the best way for projector setup/use is batcave conditions.

Anway regardless, we're all different and have different preferences and we're going way off topic really.

[UltiResis]

Back to the 980, Comet have offered to get a 55" in for me if I want them to but they don't know how long it will take. I've said yes but on the precondition that I am not going to necessarily buy one and that it is more likely than not that I won't be. So it could be a week or two or it could be much longer who knows??

[Mrb1972]

Regarding the Alien pictures - adding a little dim lighting to the room dosent remove the halo effect shown on this film, I have to go pretty bright to hide the effect

Wasted - is that the same for you?

[wastedyuthe]

Originally Posted by Mrb1972

Regarding the Alien pictures - adding a little dim lighting to the room dosent remove the halo effect shown on this film, I have to go pretty bright to hide the effect

Wasted - is that the same for you?

When the halo'ing is as severe as that, yes matey. The halo'ing on the credits of Ice Age 3D yesterday was the same, with the characters dancing on the screen next to the credits on a black background. Very distracting halo's around them. The blocks must easily be at least 4 inches horizontally each, making it so easy to make out the 8 blocks across the screen (u can count them easily on the first alien comparison pic). Absolutely ridiculous for a 55" tv

[HaRd2BeAr]

Originally Posted by UltiResis

I have plenty of understanding of the human body and I do understand what you mean and agree you are right according to experts the eyes do have to work harder and can grow tired but...

The thing is all this nitpicking health and safety nannying is a crock of crap if you ask me. Yes we do need to have some H&S in place in many situations. If you want to watch with lights on then great carry on but anyone telling others that they should do this or do that is plain wrong as this thread has shown on a number of occasions. I'm not saying that you are dictating to us but just saying generally speaking this country is health and safety mad and if we followed all the rules we would A)get nothing done and B) spoil a lot of the fun in life.

Ask for example AC/DC, LED Zep, Black Sabbath, Metallica, and countless other non-metal/non-rock bands if they could turn it down as it's not good for your ears and you will get the same answer from them and music fans the world over. Loud is part of what makes it great and if it wasn't so loud then it wouldn't be the same. Even a live non amplified orchestra is way way over the recommended decibel levels and have no way to turn it down. An acoustic guitar alone is pretty close to the levels which experts say is not good for hearing after only a short time. If anyone is not happy with this then they can either not attend or wear ear plugs but they don't go and start telling others they shouldn't listen without plugs because they will damage their ears. I consider watching movies in a dark room to be a similar situation, watching in a room with lights on is not as enjoyable or engrossing for me.

Erm a theatre/cinema or projector is no different, the light is reflected back to your eyes from the screen so it is exactly the same as it coming from a TV as far as I am concerned. It is still light coming directly to your eyes from a surface, that is obviously how we see, from light reflected off the world around us. What about rear projection where the PJ is mounted behind the screen and the picture comes through the screen (although this is something rarely seen). Ask PJ experts and they will tell you the best way for projector setup/use is batcave conditions.

Anway regardless, we're all different and have different preferences and we're going way off topic really.

Fair enough mate, slightly disagree and feel your being slightly disrespectful saying its "a crock of crap" as you say concerts being damaging etc that is fact.

I understand some people wont listen one of my best friends smokes and i except and know i cant help everybody.

I am not the most outgoing of people and i will in fact step outside of a room if i feel it is to loud and harmful to my ears.

I like to have fun and enjoy tv and music but i also like to play safe and want to enjoy tv and music for many years without self inflicted issues.

As i said you can't help everybody but i feel knowledge is power and i am glad that i can help those that will listen.

BTW this isn't really off topic, audio visual LG a tv that you have to....

Aaron

[EDAman]

Hi guys,Just had my first experience with dual gaming mode on the 980.
It was fun: didn't see any of the ghosting as was mentioned in earlier reviews.
I built the glasses myself from 2 of the party pack LG spectacles and 1 masterImage spectacle from the cinema (1 euro).
At first I tried to use 2 masterImage spectacles and swap the left glass of one with the right glass of the other, but as the glass is not symmetrical you should flip the glass front to back and I noticed then it doesn't work.
As the masterImage glasses are a bit larger than those of LG it was possible to cut the left masterImage glass to exactly match the right LG glass and the right to the left LG glass of the other spectacles.
I've recorded it on my camcorder, but still need to edit and post it on YouTube.
Then I tried GT5 on PS3 in dual player arcade mode (split screens above each other). Put the 980 in 3D mode, not side by side, but top/bottom and voila a separate screen for each of my home brew dual gaming glasses.
Works great: image quality is OK.
I'll see if I can post my video one of these days.

[UltiResis]

No more disrespectful than telling everyone they should watch TV with the lights on and trying to give people a biology lesson or telling smokers they shouldn't smoke etc. That is disrespectful of the right to choose, condescending, patronizing and an insult to their intelligence.

At least I have a positive attitude about my destructive habits!

I don't want to get into yet another pointless or un-winable argument about any of this though so lets just agree to disagree, we clearly have different views and that is a good thing in my opinion freedom of choice and expression!

[HaRd2BeAr]

Originally Posted by UltiResis

No more disrespectful than telling everyone they should watch TV with the lights on and trying to give people a biology lesson or telling smokers they shouldn't smoke etc.

I don't want to get into yet another pointless or un-winable argument about any of this though so lets just agree to disagree, we clearly have different views and that is a good thing in my opinion freedom of choice and expression!

I agree i am just trying to make people aware, and you agreed with me and even provided some facts yourself ie concerts with loud music. Then went on to say that even knowing you are damaging your body you dont really care because you want to enjoy life. Fair enough, i was just trying to make people aware.

I believe my words were you should/nt. Not you HAVE to, dont put words in my mouth mate. You just annoyed me by saying health and safety was a

crock of crap

.Its not and damage can happen, just because you choose to ignore the guidelines doesn't make it crap.

Back to topic.

Aaron

[HaRd2BeAr]

Originally Posted by UltiResis

No more disrespectful than telling everyone they should watch TV with the lights on and trying to give people a biology lesson or telling smokers they shouldn't smoke etc. That is disrespectful of the right to choose, condescending, patronizing and an insult to their intelligence.

At least I have a positive attitude about my destructive habits!

I don't want to get into yet another pointless or un-winable argument about any of this though so lets just agree to disagree, we clearly have different views and that is a good thing in my opinion freedom of choice and expression!

Why edit your post to make it more offensive?

BTW i don't go stalking smokers telling them to quit, the person in question is one of my best friends and i care about him, thats right CARE and i was just using that as an example of not being able to help everybody.

[Dead5tar]

Originally Posted by zAndy1

All I'd like to say is this....LG for crying out loud stop concentrating on gimmicks (e.g pentouch), stop trying to make your TVs as thin as you can or as pretty as you can (although I forgive you that as long as everything else is right) and for gods sake concentrate on making a bloody TV with a picture that doesn't have banding or halo-ing the likes of which have been displayed on this thread. This years TVs have been awful, whether Passive 3D has anything to do with that I don't know , I'm all for passive 3D but it's not worth the price that has to be paid in terms of PQ issues I'm afraid. Go back to the drawing board and make a TV that nobody on here will have a bad word to say about, ok impossible you say and yes to a certain extent I agree but surely it's not that hard to make a TV that doesn't have these issues? You can't go charging £2.7k for a TV like the 980T, it's simply not worth it , if you're gonna charge that amount of money make a product that is worth that kind of money and doesn't have issues that would be pretty much inexcusable on a £300 TV let alone one costing nearly £3k! At the start of this year I was a big fan of LG but now 11 months later it's going to take a lot for me to consider an LG TV again simply because you've got your priorities wrong, at these sorts of price points PQ is everything and there's no excuse for trying to sell people a product that's not worthy of the price they're paying. I hope LG get things right next year I really do but you need to concentrate on PQ , oh and DTS support would help as well I mean come on it's par for the course these days surely....

Cheers
Andy

Very well said! Like many others, I've followed this thread from page 1 with the full expectation that I was gonna buy this tv... Have been very disappointed with what's happened here... C'mon LG... Try and get it right next time eh..

[HaRd2BeAr]

Its funny there hasn't been anything good to say about this tv for a good few pages now, and we are discussing watching tv in the dark. But what tv are we watching....not an LG....well i'm not

[Dr Spoon]

On the tv in the dark thing. I actually asked a friend of mine about it. Apparently, watching in the dark will cause the eyes to tire faster but no more so than focusing on anything for a period of time, reading in any light, etc etc. There is currently no credible evidence to suggest that it causes any sort of long term damage at all. He even told me funny story about where the myth about too much tv being bad for your eyes came from. Apparently in the very earl days some tvs gave off harmful xrays... some sort of manufacturing error or something... so for a very brief period tv was bad for your eyes. So yeah, light will reduce eye strain (as does remaining hydrated, looking away from the screen every so often, etc) but watching in the dark is no more harmful than driving in the dark, reading in the dark or anything else, just more tiring.

3 guesses what he does for a living

[UltiResis]

Much of H&S is a crock of crap and a license to print money, just my opinion. Sorry if that annoys you.

Oh and I didn't edit my post to make it more offensive I just got distracted for a moment and then added to what I wanted to say. It's not meant to be offensive, you are just taking it that way.

[HaRd2BeAr]

Originally Posted by Dr Spoon

On the tv in the dark thing. I actually asked a friend of mine about it. Apparently, watching in the dark will cause the eyes to tire faster but no more so than focusing on anything for a period of time, reading in any light, etc etc. There is currently no credible evidence to suggest that it causes any sort of long term damage at all. He even told me funny story about where the myth about too much tv being bad for your eyes came from. Apparently in the very earl days some tvs gave off harmful xrays... some sort of manufacturing error or something... so for a very brief period tv was bad for your eyes. So yeah, light will reduce eye strain (as does remaining hydrated, looking away from the screen every so often, etc) but watching in the dark is no more harmful than driving in the dark, reading in the dark or anything else, just more tiring.

3 guesses what he does for a living

BTW i never meant long term blindness i meant fatigue and headaches etc, you also don't know what may be found out in the future but that is speculation. Migraines however are not good to get.

I heard about that (Where tv being bad for your eyes came from). Also the one about not moving tvs when they are turned on, because people thought they got heavier when switched on because of the gasses.

Something like that anyway but i am feeling a little sleepy.

[HaRd2BeAr]

Originally Posted by UltiResis

Much of H&S is a crock of crap and a license to print money, just my opinion. Sorry if that annoys you.

Oh and I didn't edit my post to make it more offensive I just got distracted for a moment and then added to what I wanted to say. It's not meant to be offensive, you are just taking it that way.

Its not your opinion thats offending/annoying me, its that you keep saying "crock of crap". Its put there as guidelines and much of it is right. I want to look after myself and i respect my health. I haven't once said you were talking crap or your opinion was crap, so please show me and my opinion the same respect.

There is a way of saying things to get your message accross and saying something that i see as important is crap is not one of them. As i said before you choose to ignore them and i dont that doesn't make them crap.

Back to topic before one of us (probably me) gets told off.

[wastedyuthe]

Such a shame what this thread has turned into- no fault of anybody here I must add. But LG must be mighty proud of themselves- to think if this tv was all it promised to be, we may have all been raving about how good it is and how everybody is trying to rush out and buy one the moment their nearest store gets more stock in of such a popular product.
Instead just look at the last several posts

[UltiResis]

OK fair enough I see your point. I am a straight talker, I say what I mean and I mean what I say and some people can be offended by it. Like I said lets agree to disagree, no harm done and not going to fall out with you over it.

[wastedyuthe]

Don't want to burst anyone's bubble who already owns a 980t or plans on purchasing, but zAndy has earlier posted photo's of Alien how it should look, on the D6900 thread here. Bear in mind this tv is over half the price!

[HaRd2BeAr]

Originally Posted by UltiResis

OK fair enough I see your point. I am a straight talker, I say what I mean and I mean what I say and some people can be offended by it. Like I said lets agree to disagree, no harm done and not going to fall out with you over it.

Ok mate, now where is the hug smilie?

[HaRd2BeAr]

Originally Posted by wastedyuthe

Don't want to burst anyone's bubble who already owns a 980t or plans on purchasing, but zAndy has earlier posted photo's of Alien how it should look, on the D6900 thread here. Bear in mind this tv is over half the price!

Great pics, shame plasma just isn't for me.

But i will be soon the owner of a Sony 40NX723 yes i got talked down from a 46inch by my mum....

[Dr Spoon]

Well, you were advising against watching tv in a dark room. Saying people 'shouldn't'. You said it was like listening to music too loudly or smoking. That's the thing I have a problem with. It isn't. It makes your eyes tired. High volume does actual physical damage to your ears, with scientifically credible studies showing evidence of long term damage.

All the tv in a dark room will do is make your eyes tired. If you get headaches then this is a specific issue for you. Maybe I misunderstood, I thought (with your talk of smoking and loud noise) that you were saying that tv in a dark room (i.e the contrast changes issue) caused damage to your eyes, actual lasting physical damage of any sort. I didn't think you were suggesting blindness but some sort of damage. It doesn't. Temporary tirdness and eye strain sure but that's like saying lifting weights is harmful to the muscles because it causes temporary damage and fatigue.

(On a side note, the friend I asked is also my optician, a qualified opthamologist)

Edit: Just saw more posts since i started typing. Back on topic then. Still haven't been able to find a 980 to look at here.... looked all over Edinburgh :P

[UltiResis]

I reckon I'll be going hunting at the weekend to see if anything takes my fancy instead of the 980T. I expect I may return empty handed again but I may also come back with a 64D8000 a 59D6900.

I might even consider doing what Johnny did and getting an el cheapo 450 passive to tide me over until next year, if they are OK that is. If they are anything like the 550 or 650 with DSE and banding, loose screens and terrible motion handling, bad SD and HD etc then I will give them a wide berth.

[UltiResis]

Is that showing a little line bleed on the sides of the letters or is it just the camera? I know line bleed is something the plasmas suffer but mostly on credits and adverts. It was terrible on the 2010 Sammy plasmas. If that is as bad as it gets then I could cope with that, only other thing is buzzing and putting up with active 3D.

[xavi]

I love this thread: IS A MEETING POINT. Everybody buying another tv but coming here to talk about ...

About 3d passive tvs for 3d movies, is there anyone as good as LW980?

[HaRd2BeAr]

Originally Posted by Dr Spoon

Well, you were advising against watching tv in a dark room. Saying people 'shouldn't'. You said it was like listening to music too loudly or smoking. That's the thing I have a problem with. It isn't. It makes your eyes tired. High volume does actual physical damage to your ears, with scientifically credible studies showing evidence of long term damage.

All the tv in a dark room will do is make your eyes tired. If you get headaches then this is a specific issue for you. Maybe I misunderstood, I thought (with your talk of smoking and loud noise) that you were saying that tv in a dark room (i.e the contrast changes issue) caused damage to your eyes, actual lasting physical damage of any sort. I didn't think you were suggesting blindness but some sort of damage. It doesn't. Temporary tirdness and eye strain sure but that's like saying lifting weights is harmful to the muscles because it causes temporary damage and fatigue.

(On a side note, the friend I asked is also my optician, a qualified opthamologist)

Sorry mate the line did get blurred along the way.

I meant tv in a dark room= fatiguing, although maybe we will find more out in the future.

Smoking=very bad for your health

Loud music=again damaging.

My point about smoking was 50 years ago it wasn't thought to be bad to your health(asbestos has a similar story), whats to say in 20 years we find out more about the human eye?

Again i am not telling anyone to do anything, if i can help anyone then that is great but if not and you disagree that is fine and your right as a human being.

[Dr Spoon]

Originally Posted by wastedyuthe

Don't want to burst anyone's bubble who already owns a 980t or plans on purchasing, but zAndy has earlier posted photo's of Alien how it should look, on the D6900 thread here. Bear in mind this tv is over half the price!

Oh yeah, that's the good stuff. I bought the blu ray boxed set when it came out but have refused to watch it until I get a Tv worthy of watching it one. It's just one of about 10 movies beside the tv stand, in what the missus is now calling the 'Forbidden Pile'