o2 will disconnect those who tether without a plan....

**Kieron** · 18-06-2009, 2:55 PM

Story Here

lentini · 18-06-2009, 2:58 PM

Good

**Kieron** · 18-06-2009, 3:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lentini

Good

How is it good? You're already paying for the data - it's hardly wap, it's a full internet service!

Admittedly, if you started downloading gigs after gigs of movies etc I can see the problem (and you would fall foul of the fair usage policy anyway) - but for general use browsing you're getting utterly ripped off!

Br0ken · 18-06-2009, 3:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lentini

Good

Lol, where's the love?

How would O2 know anyway?

*Big* · 18-06-2009, 3:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kieron

How is it good? You're already paying for the data - it's hardly wap, it's a full internet service!

Admittedly, if you started downloading gigs after gigs of movies etc I can see the problem (and you would fall foul of the fair usage policy anyway) - but for general use browsing you're getting utterly ripped off!

Because it is a drain on the service other people receive. Unfortunately those likely to try this are the same people who wouldn't think twice about inconveniencing others.

leeb-1977 · 18-06-2009, 3:06 PM

why Good? surley if you pay for an unlimited net usage contract then thats exactly what it should be! I can understand if you breach a 'fair usage policy' - but for the odd bit of data here and there why not allow it at no extra cost.... as they do for many other o2 phones? The reason is because o2 have us by the balls and as iphone users were ripped off beyond all belief.

theres a comment on that article thats worth noting:

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If O2 priced the tethering "bolt-on" reasonably then this wouldn't be an issue... but they're charging for data which surely is already included in an "unlimited" tariff.

I know a number of people have already complained to Ofcom about this and they've made it clear if more people complain they may take action.

Are you an affected O2 customer ? Call Ofcom on 0300 123 3333 and tell them you're not happy with this and that you believe this to be an unfair charge

Finally, to those of you going down the 'unofficial' tethering route - use a VPN service and keep the traffic low, O2 will not be able to distinguish between that and your iPhone's "own" traffic.

Personally - i have no use what-so-ever for tethering as all of my pc's have a paid connection anyway, but i still oppose being charged for a service simply because im using it on an iphone instead of an N95!

Bonessi · 18-06-2009, 3:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Br0ken

Lol, where's the love?

How would O2 know anyway?

Have wondered this myself, I presume it would know via the simple fact it's connected to a laptop and is tethering not 'activated' when you decide to use the functionality? If so, I imagine this will inform 02 at that point.

Forgive my ignorance if incorrect

chelsea.tone · 18-06-2009, 3:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lentini

Good

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Originally Posted by Big

Because it is a drain on the service other people receive. Unfortunately those likely to try this are the same people who wouldn't think twice about inconveniencing others.

Exactly

lentini · 18-06-2009, 3:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Big

Because it is a drain on the service other people receive. Unfortunately those likely to try this are the same people who wouldn't think twice about inconveniencing others.

This.

Noggin1980 · 18-06-2009, 3:10 PM

sounds like an empty threat to discourage people imo, going to be very difficult for them to notice you are doing it, maybe it's not even possible. Then comes the contract they aren't going to be able to disconnect you and keep chargeing you and they arn't going to want to cancel the contract as they need it to pay for the subsidised phone. I'd have thought the first course of action if they did find out you were doing this would be to ask you to stop and nothing else.

Personally I have no interest in tethering but would have no quarms or worrys about doing it if I did.

**Kieron** · 18-06-2009, 3:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Big

Because it is a drain on the service other people receive. Unfortunately those likely to try this are the same people who wouldn't think twice about inconveniencing others.

First of all - you think it's going to slow the network down?

Secondly, nobody in their right mind is going to be downloading movies. For most, tethering is a great way to not be inconvenienced by the iPhone's small screen. I hardly think that people would use it instead of a dedicated bb connection at home!

Third. If you own an XDA internet tethering is no charge. Amazing how all those users haven't drained the service eh?

Open your eyes. o2 are having us over because they know they can get away with it.

leeb-1977 · 18-06-2009, 3:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Big

Because it is a drain on the service other people receive. Unfortunately those likely to try this are the same people who wouldn't think twice about inconveniencing others.

I can understand that point - but isnt that what fair usage policy's are for?

As i say i have no use for this at all - but i think its beyond a joke when your charged for using a service that would be free on another handset.... how is that fair? If you want to charge for tethering - fine.... but do it across the whole o2 range and not just the iphone.

One rule for one and all that.....

**Kieron** · 18-06-2009, 3:12 PM

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Originally Posted by leeb-1977

the reason is because o2 have us by the balls and as iphone users were ripped off beyond all belief.

I still oppose being charged for a service simply because im using it on an iphone instead of an n95!

exactly!

Noggin1980 · 18-06-2009, 3:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Big

Because it is a drain on the service other people receive. Unfortunately those likely to try this are the same people who wouldn't think twice about inconveniencing others.

It's no more of a drain than simply using the phone to do the same task. The fact they will allow you to do it for £15 and for free on other handsets shows it's not about protecting other consumers. Anyway if your network can't handle people using unlimited data they have paid for then take on less customers or improve your network.

Br0ken · 18-06-2009, 3:14 PM

I wonder if anyone saying the O2 threat is a good thing has also jailbroken their phone? Just curious.

lentini · 18-06-2009, 3:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Br0ken

I wonder if anyone saying the O2 threat is a good thing has also jailbroken their phone? Just curious.

Not me

chelsea.tone · 18-06-2009, 3:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Br0ken

I wonder if anyone saying the O2 threat is a good thing has also jailbroken their phone? Just curious.

Is jailbreaking illegal ?

leeb-1977 · 18-06-2009, 3:19 PM

do you not mind being ripped off simply because your using an iphone then? regardless of the fact that you may not use the service the principal still stands.

You wouldnt accept it if your neighbour could drive down a street in a corsa and not get charged yet you were charged £15 per month for the right to drive your mini down would you? Its the same thing with this - how on earth can o2 justify this? and more importantly - how can any iphone user be ok with this?

Noggin1980 · 18-06-2009, 3:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chelsea.tone

Is jailbreaking illegal ?

Tethering isn't going to be illegal either now is it? Apple have tried to argue that jailbreaking is illegal too at least in the US, trying to make out that its copyright infringement.

Br0ken · 18-06-2009, 3:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chelsea.tone

Is jailbreaking illegal ?

Not sure if thats a proper question or not.

So its ok to modify the phone so you can run unsigned code on the device when this is against the terms and conditions of using the device? But on the other hand its not ok to change some settings or whatever to enable tethering?

leeb-1977 · 18-06-2009, 3:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chelsea.tone

Is jailbreaking illegal ?

id be willing to bet money that its mentioned it the apple / o2 terms and conditions somewhere down the line. How is it any different to tethering via modified profiles?

Noggin1980 · 18-06-2009, 3:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Br0ken

Not sure if thats a proper question or not.

So its ok to modify the phone so you can run unsigned code on the device when this is against the terms and conditions of using the device? But on the other hand its not ok to change some settings or whatever to enable tethering?

indeed its a foolish comparison especially when apple actually filed with the American Copy right office this year insisting jailing breaking is illegal. I'm not sure what happened, hopefully they lost because they were talking nonsence.

chelsea.tone · 18-06-2009, 3:27 PM

The thread is about tethering not jailbreaking. o2 obviously think using there service without paying them is wrong, understandable.

chelsea.tone · 18-06-2009, 3:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Noggin1980

indeed its a foolish comparison especially when apple actually filed with the American Copy right office this year insisting jailing breaking is illegal. I'm not sure what happened, hopefully they lost because they were talking nonsence.

Im not the one making comparisons

leeb-1977 · 18-06-2009, 3:29 PM

completley understandable - IF XDA, N95 etc users were made to pay foir the service.... but complete rubbish when iphone users are charged - simply because o2 have a monopoly over us.

**Kieron** · 18-06-2009, 3:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chelsea.tone

The thread is about tethering not jailbreaking. o2 obviously think using there service without paying them is wrong, understandable.

But you've already paid them!!!! That's the argument!

You pay them for "unlimited internet" with a fair usage policy in place.

It's exactly the same "bolt-on" that N95/96 and XDA customers pay for. But o2 let them tether at no additional charge.

And that's the rub!

DJACID · 18-06-2009, 3:30 PM

i dont see anything wrong if someone jailbreak there iphone,
most of us have to jailbreak so we can use another network provider with the iphone,
Apple suck for not selling unlock phones on PAYG,
or even giving a option to unlock them....

when you spend half a grand on a PAYG there should let you unlock it if you wish....

leeb-1977 · 18-06-2009, 3:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chelsea.tone

The thread is about tethering not jailbreaking. o2 obviously think using there service without paying them is wrong, understandable.

does the principal not apply to both? In both cases your using modified firmware to enable the phone to do something its not meant to do.

chelsea.tone · 18-06-2009, 3:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kieron

But you've already paid them!!!! That's the argument!

You pay them for "unlimited internet" with a fair usage policy in place.

It's exactly the same "bolt-on" that N95/96 and XDA customers pay for. But o2 let them tether at no additional charge.

And that's the rub!

But its their network, their choice i guess. If you dont get charged/cut off cool, if you do

Tony

EDIT: No normal contract practices apply with the iPhone, we all know that.