[leoncope]

Which should I do?

I'm picking up my 507/10.4/10.CS tomorrow from Superfi and going to have a chat about this but just wanted a heads up.

I just came across bi-amping while frantically browsing the cabling forum.

Will I hear a better improvement on my 10.4 fronts from bi-amping rather than bi-wiring?

Am I right in that I basically use the 2 back speaker terminals on my 507 as I'm sticking with a 2.1 setup for a while untill I can afford a subwoofer and backs.

Or does it have to be the surround terminals from a 7.1 AVR?

With bi-wiring is it worth it? I don't know if I have done this right but the QED SA cable works out at £42 for a 2x4 cable at 5m from Superfi's website!? This seems very expensive and would cost me nearly £150 for hooking up my 2 fronts and center speaker.

Thanks

*edit* Maybe this would be better in the speakers or avr section?

[MarkTaylor]

I'll happily move this post if you don't get any replies but from previous experience there are a good few people that enjoy the bi-amping vs bi-wiring debate

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[Jamie]

Let me start then

Bi-Amping can certainly be worthwhile. Your amp needs to specifically support it, i.e the spare channels on a 7.1 amp used for 5.1 can be assigned in the setup menu.
Edit just checked and it appears your amp is 5.1 so you can't bi-Amp anyway.

Bi-Wiring IMO is pointless. I probably would go for Some of the Van Damme 2.5mm stuff from the powerbuy. Or as I actually do use myself 13Amp Twin and Earth for my main and centres (Hippocritically I do in Bi-Wire using the T&E, because the extra copper can't hurt, the cable is buried under the floor and I'd like to upgrade to an AVR350 an Bi-Amp one day so I'm prepared)

[leoncope]

Originally Posted by JimBobVFR400

Let me start then

Bi-Amping can certainly be worthwhile. Your amp needs to specifically support it, i.e the spare channels on a 7.1 amp used for 5.1 can be assigned in the setup menu.
Edit just checked and it appears your amp is 5.1 so you can't bi-Amp anyway.

Bi-Wiring IMO is pointless. I probably would go for Some of the Van Damme 2.5mm stuff from the powerbuy. Or as I actually do use myself 13Amp Twin and Earth for my main and centres (Hippocritically I do in Bi-Wire using the T&E, because the extra copper can't hurt, the cable is buried under the floor and I'd like to upgrade to an AVR350 an Bi-Amp one day so I'm prepared)

So I can't bi-amp my rear channels for my front speakers on the 507? I'm sure it had an option about bi-amping in the pdf manual I checked on the Onkyo website?

*edit* heres the page I was referring to

[MarkTaylor]

Note the bit at the start where it says 'SR577 only'

577 is 7.1, 507 is 5.1

[leoncope]

Originally Posted by MarkTaylor

Note the bit at the start where it says 'SR577 only'

577 is 7.1, 507 is 5.1

How I missed that I don't know!

Now I have a dilemma, looks like I may as well get the 607, I don't ever wan't to go 7.1 so this is the best option for me I guess.

Get the 607, go 5.1 and use the 2 surround backs to bi-amp into the 2 front diamond 10.4's?

[leoncope]

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Ixos XHS143 4-Core Bi-Wire Speaker Cable on eBay (end time 19-Nov-09 14:02:18 GMT)

is this the right cable I need? I'm pretty sure I need 2 by 4 core cable, is says 4 core on that listing, but it looks like 2 by 2 or 4 by 4

for my diamond 10.4s I will need 2x4 core bi wire x2 correct?

[leoncope]

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Okay I will put this in the simplest form, what cables would I need to hook up my diamond 10.7 and denon avr 1910 for bi-wiring and bi-amping?

[MarkTaylor]

4 core cable can be used to either bi-wire or bi-amp you wouldn't do both.

The image you linked shows the cable prepared with 4 banana plugs at each end which would be normal for bi-amping.

If you were bi-wiring you'd usually have 4 plugs at the speaker end and 2 at the amp end although there are exceptions.

So yes that cable will let you bi-amp and one 4 core run is needed for each speaker that you are bi-amping.

[leoncope]

Originally Posted by MarkTaylor

4 core cable can be used to either bi-wire or bi-amp you wouldn't do both.

The image you linked shows the cable prepared with 4 banana plugs at each end which would be normal for bi-amping.

If you were bi-wiring you'd usually have 4 plugs at the speaker end and 2 at the amp end although there are exceptions.

So yes that cable will let you bi-amp and one 4 core run is needed for each speaker that you are bi-amping.

In you're opinion would it be best for me to bi-wire my 10.7s and 1910 instead of bi-amping?

Thanks

[MarkTaylor]

No, bi-amping is the better option where it is supported by the amp.

[leoncope]

Originally Posted by MarkTaylor

4 core cable can be used to either bi-wire or bi-amp you wouldn't do both.

The image you linked shows the cable prepared with 4 banana plugs at each end which would be normal for bi-amping.

If you were bi-wiring you'd usually have 4 plugs at the speaker end and 2 at the amp end although there are exceptions.

So yes that cable will let you bi-amp and one 4 core run is needed for each speaker that you are bi-amping.

So just to get this right if I want to bi-amp my RS8s to my 1910 I need bi-wire (4-core) each end of the cable, then on the amp end 1 -+ into my front terminals and 1-+ into the surround terminals?

Wait that would only connect one speaker... duh, wow I'm so confused.

I've tried to understand the US english manual for the 1910 but its shockingly bad or I just don't get it.

[MarkTaylor]

Originally Posted by Leoncc

So just to get this right if I want to bi-amp my RS8s to my 1910 I need bi-wire (4-core) each end of the cable, then on the amp end 1 -+ into my front terminals and 1-+ into the surround terminals?

1 -+ to the front left terminals and 1 -+ to the surround left terminals = 1 speaker connected, repeat with the front right for the other speaker.

Remember a normal speaker run is 2 cores per speaker so bi-amp = 4 cores.