[evossie]

Originally Posted by wing.rider

I don't have this unit (yet) but usually on a sat nav this is because you are zoomed out too far - have you tried zooming in and out?

Yeap, zooming in worked cheers.

Now just need to know about the hdd

[bwchan87]

Originally Posted by wolfnibblechips

Just wire the handbrake sensor to ground

is this the same for the dnx 5220 with out BT

[happychappy]

What a great thread on this HU, lots to read and learn from.

My questions are:-

How hard is it to fit? I understand that a location must be found for the GPS antennae and also the microphone, is this the hardest practical part other than fitting it into the dash?

Has anyone fitted one of these to a Vauxhall Antara? How did it go? What extras were needed, from what I understand I will need the facia adaptor, the can-bus controller, an aerial adaptor and a HU adaptor is this correct? Here is a link to the parts that I need (hope its OK to link this?):-

Vauxhall accessories list

Do members declare fitting this to their insurers? does it make a difference to the premium?

Thanks in advance.
David

[V_J]

I have the mic fitted on the steering column (VW Polo). If the mic as the same as the one of the 8220, it can be rotated on its foot (may help you find a location).
The antenna is fitted below the dashboard (middle of windscreen), and I have cables running to my glovebox (USB cable for easy connection of a harddisk, AV in just in case I want to connect a camera or so the 8220 has no front AV in)

Jörg

[happychappy]

It has been mentioned by a dealer today that if fitting it myself a speed pulse will have to be found for the sat-nav side of things, can anyone tell me where this would be located?

[Lada]

Originally Posted by happychappy

It has been mentioned by a dealer today that if fitting it myself a speed pulse will have to be found for the sat-nav side of things, can anyone tell me where this would be located?

hmm, is it a scrap dealer? there is no speed pulse for dnx needed as it has no speed pulse input

[happychappy]

The speed pulse thing was mentioned by two dealers, not that I fully understand what or where it is?

What is "dnx" please?

Thanks

[V_J]

Speed pulse is a signal from the car. By connecting the navigation system to it, it known the forward movement even without satellite reception. This is convenient in tunnels: signal is lost, but the system still knows where one is. Some systems also have gyroscopes, which help keep track of the rotation the vehicle: this allows for a relatively accurate position without external data.
However, I don't think the dnx8220 has speed pulse, so I doubt the 5220 has it...

dnx is just the name of the Kenwood model range...

Jörg

[happychappy]

Originally Posted by V_J

Speed pulse is a signal from the car. By connecting the navigation system to it, it known the forward movement even without satellite reception. This is convenient in tunnels: signal is lost, but the system still knows where one is. Some systems also have gyroscopes, which help keep track of the rotation the vehicle: this allows for a relatively accurate position without external data.

Thanks for excellent explanation.

Originally Posted by V_J

However, I don't think the dnx8220 has speed pulse, so I doubt the 5220 has it....

I think that you are correct in thinking that the DNX 5220 BT does not need a speed pulse, take a look at THIS thread on the Vauxhall VX owners club forum, post 4 suggests that the unit doesn't need one and after downloading the Kenwood installation manual I can find no reference to it either.

Originally Posted by V_J

dnx is just the name of the Kenwood model range... .

Doh! , sometimes ya' cant see the woods for the trees.

[V_J]

Originally Posted by happychappy

I think that you are correct in thinking that the DNX 5220 BT does not need a speed pulse, take a look at THIS thread on the Vauxhall VX owners club forum, post 4 suggests that the unit doesn't need one and after downloading the Kenwood installation manual I can find no reference to it either.

The odd thing the speed pulse is more common older units... The KNA-G520 (Kenwood hide-away nav unit) has it, but the new KNA-G421 doesn't. I suspect this has to do with the assumption that the satellite reception is that good nowadays, that you don't really need it, but I just feel it is wrong to omit these things... It is one of the possible benefits of a built in system over a portable system, and given that there are tunnels with exits (e.g. Brussels), it does have an added value.

Also, you have have a nav-system which connects to the speed pulse, it also must connect to something to tell it the car is in reverse: without this the system will get mixed signals (will assume a forward movement when it is driving backwards). A system which has gyroscopes usually has a way of lining up gyroscopes (via screws), otherwise it may assume incorrect movement. (my previous system had both speed pulse and gyroscopes, and it was misaligned once when it got back from repairs: nothing went right, until I removed it and noticed the incorrect alignment )

Jörg

[happychappy]

Is the Kenwood DNX 5220BT unique in its lack of a speed pulse?

I am currently looking at other "all in one" double din units such as the Pioneer AVIC-F700BT & the JVCKW-NX7000 which I assume operate from a speed pulse?

The idea of a unit that functions without the need for complicated wiring practises appeals to me as the vehicle will be covered by a manufacturer's warranty and I would not like to jeopardize this.

[V_J]

Originally Posted by happychappy

Is the Kenwood DNX 5220BT unique in its lack of a speed pulse?

Nope: all the Kenwood dnx's lack it, as do most of the new hide-away units. IIRC, in the Pioneer Avic range, only the F900bt has it (they call it Multi-Sensor navigation). Dunno about the JVC. All the recent Blaupunkt models also lack it.
Back in the old days, it was imperative to have a speed pulse, as the gps alone was not accurate enough to determine the position.

The idea of a unit that functions without the need for complicated wiring practises appeals to me as the vehicle will be covered by a manufacturer's warranty and I would not like to jeopardize this.

Easier wiring and cost are probably other reasons to omit speed pulse, etc. Mind you, I haven't had many issues with my 8220; satellite reception is very good so for 99.99% you probably won't need the speed pulse thing. Biggest downside is that it can take a while for the system to pick up its initial position after having been parked in an underground garage for a couple of days (esp. when you then drive below trees and between tall buildings).


Jörg

[dejongj]

Originally Posted by V_J

Nope: all the Kenwood dnx's lack it, as do most of the new hide-away units. IIRC, in the Pioneer Avic range, only the F900bt has it (they call it Multi-Sensor navigation). Dunno about the JVC. All the recent Blaupunkt models also lack it.
Back in the old days, it was imperative to have a speed pulse, as the gps alone was not accurate enough to determine the position.


Easier wiring and cost are probably other reasons to omit speed pulse, etc. Mind you, I haven't had many issues with my 8220; satellite reception is very good so for 99.99% you probably won't need the speed pulse thing. Biggest downside is that it can take a while for the system to pick up its initial position after having been parked in an underground garage for a couple of days (esp. when you then drive below trees and between tall buildings).


Jörg

I think there is also an element of market segmentation to it. Let's not forget that the 5220BT is the entry model, there does need to be a reason to go up the product/cost ladder.

I would have a speedpulse anyday, not just car parks, but also high rise buildings and leafy country lanes could cause a challenge for even the best of systems....

[V_J]

Originally Posted by dejongj

I think there is also an element of market segmentation to it. Let's not forget that the 5220BT is the entry model, there does need to be a reason to go up the product/cost ladder.

Yep, but even the 8220BT doesn't have it...

Originally Posted by dejongj

I would have a speedpulse anyday, not just car parks, but also high rise buildings and leafy country lanes could cause a challenge for even the best of systems....

Me too (one of the reasons to opt for a built in device)... but I was misinformed (didn't have enough time to find the device I needed, store convinced me it had it)...


Jörg

[happychappy]

Has anyone on here had any problems with a non speed pulse fitted unit?

Surely its no different to using a portable unit in a car?

[V_J]

Originally Posted by happychappy

Has anyone on here had any problems with a non speed pulse fitted unit?
Surely its no different to using a portable unit in a car?

It is just that: it is no different from a portable unit. (i.e. missed opportunity )
Other than a relatively slow initial positioning in urban setting (couple of days stationary in underground parking => 2-3 minutes / approx. 1-1.5 km before a fix), no problems...

It is just important to know if you need directions inside a long tunnel or so: the more you know the limitations of the device, the better you can anticipate what it means with its instructions or when it might lack an instruction (quick glance on the screen may help you a lot!).

[happychappy]

So in essence, as I understand it, the units without the speed pulse facility are now starting to take over from the older units with the speed pulse. I guess eventually all manufacturers will opt to omit this function as a money saving exercise both in production and fitting.

Regarding the tunnel situation I would imagine that its very rare (having said that I can think of one straight away!) to have different exits from a single tunnel. We are off to Europe during the summer holidays and intend to travel through France, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Austria and Switzerland, I do hope that this situation does not raise its head on a regular basis, mind you the only other option is a portable sat nav which as you have stated will perform in exactly the same way.

Hi , my name is Marek, I' m from Poland .

I update my unit new firmware 2.40, and have one problem.
When I adjust in DVD setup : Screen Ratio on 16:9 , and AV Interface : AV-OUT on DVD , screen in unit doing wide. Menu is move on right.


I wrote to kenwood service , and They said: It is not bug in software only propably went wrong during the update "
Has anyone on here had any problems with a new firmware 2.40 to DNX5220BT?

[evossie]

anybody know where i can download the speed camera poi for the kenwood dnx5220, or can somebody kindly email me them

[V_J]

The ones from Belgium can be found here: Flitspalen in België: downloaden
You need the csv for Garmin, labeled "Alle flitspalen, ingedeeld volgens snelheid" (translated: "All speedcameras, classified according to speed")

[wing.rider]

Pocket GPS World - SatNavs | GPS | Speed Cameras is generally recognised as a very good source of speed camera databases for the UK and Europe

I was wondering about the "boot-up" time for this unit.
How long does it take for exemple for the sound from the radio to start or CD/USB from that you turn it on?

I have been looking at the Pioneer AVIC-F900BT but I think that one takes way to long time to "boot" up.

[lags72]

can't speak specifically for the 5220 but I have the later 8220 : many similarities as you probably know.
On start up it reverts to whatever screen/source you were last using when you switched off. So, if you had Ipod playing it will go straight back to Ipod (and pick up same track IIRC), or if radio then to same station, or to CD player and so on.... and does so pretty swiftly - you'll hardly notice a delay by the time you've got moving

However ...... if you actually had the SatNav screen showing then it does take slightly longer to 'settle' because you will first need to accept the 'no liability' warning and then switch sources once the screen allows

In everyday use I really don't think you'd consider it an issue, and when I was weighing up both makes before buying I did establish that the Kenwoods are noticeably quicker than the Pioneers. A recent Pioneer firmware upgrade was rumoured to have improved boot-up time ..... but maybe not, from what you say ??)

[V_J]

Same experience here as lags72.

The Kenwood interface looks a bit dated (IMO), but the device does everything it claims both fast and stable (no crashes). The Pioneer looks much more contemporary, but - as I gather - slower and more unstable.

A bit OT but....

Has anyone tested the new DNX5240BT?
This unit should have a new faster processor.

Regards
Tomas

[lags72]

Originally Posted by TomasL

A bit OT but....

Has anyone tested the new DNX5240BT?
This unit should have a new faster processor.......

I don't believe it does ....
either way, can't help but think you're worrying yourself unduly as rgds 'processor' speeds

as mentioned by both VJ and myself the 8220 does everything it claims - quickly + efficiently, no fuss. We are both contented owners, and most feedback on the 5220 has been equally positive. The function which gets most use on mine is the Ipod, and I'd say this is lightning quick

Kenwood's own website gives detailed technical specs for all their multimedia nav systems, inc. the new 5240 . On all core functions there appear to be only minor differences between these three models. In fact the actual nav specs are identical in all respects, inc. the 'acquisition from cold' times (but not surprising I guess as the nav facility is 'bought in' from Garmin)

If screen size is important to you then the 8220 is definitely the largest, and this did sway my own choice somewhat

Originally Posted by lags72

I don't believe it does ....

According to Kenwood Sweden it has a new faster processor, new "software" and the latest navi software and maps. I asked them what the differance was between 5220BT and 5240BT.
I want the volume knob so the 8220 is out of the question.

[lags72]

Originally Posted by TomasL

According to Kenwood Sweden it has a new faster processor, new "software" and the latest navi software and maps. I asked them what the differance was between 5220BT and 5240BT.
I want the volume knob so the 8220 is out of the question.

fair enough, if that's the case (although map/software updates can always be loaded to existing units by SD card of course)

re volume knob - guess it's a question of each to his own ; personally I find using the steering wheel-mounted controls easiest of all....

Originally Posted by lags72

fair enough, if that's the case (although map/software updates can always be loaded to existing units by SD card of course)

re volume knob - guess it's a question of each to his own ; personally I find using the steering wheel-mounted controls easiest of all....

The DNX52xx doesn't have a SD-card slot.
But you can update it with a CD/DVD instead

I don't have any steering wheel controls in my car otherwaise that hade been nice.

[alex-c]

Hello guys!

I'm new here and have DNX-5220 installed. Would like to ask a couple of things:

Originally Posted by bitonw

disk or no disk. you can easily copy it on the head unit via the mini usb on the back. have a search on this forum where i explain this procedure.

Could you please post the link on this topic? As I did not find that instruction anywhere...

Originally Posted by sbonell

I think you can enable a code if I recall, but the security master stroke is the flashing red LED which can be turned on or off through the menus

Stuart

Where exactly in the options can I enable/disable that blinking red light? Went through my manual but did not find anything about that!


And one more thing: I live in Finland and the TMC service is provided for free here... I guess I don't have to activate it on the garmin's site (https://shop.garmin.com/fmtraffic/se...L=EN&CR=2&PR=2) as it seems to be only for UK drivers? Do I just have to enable TMC from the options in my device and that's it? Sorry for this question, I am asking it because my car won't be here for some time now so cannot just go and test if it'll work after doing that or no...

Best regards, Alex