[p5yco]

anybody know when this magazine is due out, it is usually out by now?

[Crustyloafer]

18th October. I have been given the list of results but this information is embargoed until the release date of the magazine.

[p5yco]

ok mate thank you for your help.

Originally Posted by Crustyloafer

...I have been given the list of results but this information is embargoed until the release date of the magazine.

...now, that is really cheeky!! ...dangling this large juicy carrot, just out of reach!!

[golden phoenix]

I will speculate that my beloved onkyo 605, will receive the budget receiver of the year award!

and no i am not conencted to what hi fi lol

[Kent Home Cinema]

Morning

The results will certainly raise a few eyebrows. Roll on next week when everything is revealed

Regards

Alastair

[PD_BARBS]

Originally Posted by brownieeyes

I will speculate that my beloved onkyo 605, will receive the budget receiver of the year award!

and no i am not conencted to what hi fi lol

This was heavily implied in last month issues. Is this as good as they say as I am considering updating my TEAC.

[Avi]

Whilst we are speculating. Sim2 HT380 best PJ at it's price point

AVI

[DOBLY]

And the Winner is ???

[*ChrisB*]

Well that'll be, for the 3 different AV Amp price ranges Onkyo, Onkyo & erm ...... Onkyo

[womble9]

Has anyone seen this in the shops yet. Went into the my local (quite large too) newsagents this morning where I normally pick it up from and it wasn't in as yet .

[CTR_Paul]

I've just nipped into a couple of supermarkets around Chester looking for a copy but it's remains elusive !

[VoodooDoctor]

Yeah, none in where I live. They're happy for the awards to be discussed on the What Hi-fi website as the magazine is officially out today. Anyone care to post them?

[*ChrisB*]

Originally Posted by womble9

Has anyone seen this in the shops yet. Went into the my local (quite large too) newsagents this morning where I normally pick it up from and it wasn't in as yet .

Yes it's out, I picked up my copy 1st thing this morning

[durk]

Ive had my copy hand deliverd this morning keria knightly

[MattCurson]

Free 1m Chord Silver HDMI cable to first 200 subscribers too.

If anyone has the magazine to hand could they provide the link.

Ta

I found the full Award Winners list at www.hifibitz.co.uk on the award winners page with a write up on the special offers page.

Hope this helps..........

[golden phoenix]

Originally Posted by PD_BARBS

This was heavily implied in last month issues. Is this as good as they say as I am considering updating my TEAC.

as i predicted...not only best budget receiver of the year..BUT BEST PRODUCT OF THE YEAR...had a quick look today.

in answer to your question i think it is the best receiver i have owned (had 3 in all)...though in home cinema choice magazine it scored poorly with 5 channels driven. you do have to pump up the sound a bit though when listening to a movie (me thinks) as it is only 90 w per channel. but it does sound fantastic...highly recommeded and has all the HD codecs on board ready for action !!!

[ChrisCatch22]

Originally Posted by MattCurson

Free 1m Chord Silver HDMI cable to first 200 subscribers too.

If anyone has the magazine to hand could they provide the link.

Ta

I'm interested in this too. Anyone?

Thanks in advance

[Import racer]

Why has the Denon dvd player won an award again , these are only an average dvd player, the picture is reasonable, if a bit fake looking , and the sound is way below average, with no dynamics, much worse than a 7 year old pioneer and picture only slightly better.

Whats going on ?

[durk]

In your opinion! i demo'd the 989 pio i think that was the model it was £800 jobie anyhow and while the picture was stunning i thought the audio was pretty dam poor esp cd playback! of course thats just my opinion.

[Import racer]

Hi your denon may well be nice, never heard one myself
its the denon 1930 and now the 1940 i was refering too
no good at all. very disapointing , took my 1930 back after after a weekend and a couple of of hours of use.
There really was no dynamics , a good test : the Thx
screen, sounded terrible no mid range, hardly any sub bass kick , did nt make work jump out of your skin when loud etc..
Was very happy to hear my old pioneer again.
And your right about cds they are not that good for cd replay ,but you dont by a dvd for cds usually,

Now a loyal Arcam user WOW
Very good cd playback.

Others beware

[drac]

Originally Posted by stephen ball1

Hi your denon may well be nice, never heard one myself
its the denon 1930 and now the 1940 i was refering too
no good at all. very disapointing , took my 1930 back after after a weekend and a couple of of hours of use.
There really was no dynamics , a good test : the Thx
screen, sounded terrible no mid range, hardly any sub bass kick , did nt make work jump out of your skin when loud etc..
Was very happy to hear my old pioneer again.
And your right about cds they are not that good for cd replay ,but you dont by a dvd for cds usually,

Now a loyal Arcam user WOW
Very good cd playback.

Others beware

The Arcam's are good (I've got one!) and you can hardly compare them to a £200 Denon! The Denon is a good value universal player for the money - but you can't get world beating performance at that price! If you could, they wouldn't have sold many 2930's, 3930's etc would they?

[Import racer]

Originally Posted by drac

The Arcam's are good (I've got one!) and you can hardly compare them to a £200 Denon! The Denon is a good value universal player for the money - but you can't get world beating performance at that price! If you could, they wouldn't have sold many 2930's, 3930's etc would they?

Still the players in question are the 1930 and 1940 which are not good , cant see how it could be award winner again,
It has 3 star sound and 4 star picture if that,

Is there something else going on ,
thats what im really getting at ??
which is why i question some of the the awards ?? ,
Sure people will rush out and buy an award winner , we have all done it.
but how long do you keep it for ?

Actually my trusty 7 yr old pioneer dv525 compares quite well with the Arcam dv79 and
dv88+ they sound alittle nicer of course and a more natural picture and no weird lines, but the pioneer kicks very well, and looks pretty good, and i think it worth about a £10 now ?
plus it is loads better than the denon for sound , and not much in the picture eitheir.

The pioneer dv 696 and dv600 are much better players , sure they dont look as good as the denons, but are also much cheaper.

And there are some other dubious awards

Go figure ??

Free dvd player anyone ?

[AV Monkey]

I picked up a copy of the awards 2007 a couple of weeks ago now. I scanned through it in 5mins then binned it. I hate what hifi. Definately something going on with sony/onkyo. I much prefer HCC. Their buyers guide always offer a good spread of manufacturers to choose from in their top five choices section. What hifi are alot more 'Thats OUR five star choice so thats what you must get' kinder advice.
They even rated an onkyo over an arcam i mean come on they lost the plot there.

[Autopilot]

Im amazed that anyone actually takes any notice of that magazine anymore, they are completely in bed with so many companies, you cant trust anything that say IMO.

[NethLyn]

Online link for the cable = www.themagazineshop.com/chord though for a RRP of eighty smackers I expect all 200 are gone!

I was going to reply to this yesterday but decided to read the mag again - and also dug out the 2006 edition. 2006's budget DVD Recorder Award was ridiculous, it went to the Panny recorder with only an analogue tuner (ES15), requiring a separate Freeview box unless you had Sky. That was plain bad advice to give that an award, no matter how cheap it was, the trade-off was too great. They've sorted that this year. However, they removed one accessory and it's almost as if they didn't bother testing for new headphones, stands, phono stages and learning remotes. Similarly, the MP3 Awards might as well be "Best Ipod".

It should have been made clear they were dropping SCART and aerial leads from 2006, then it wouldn't have looked like a whitewash when QED swept the board in all but two categories. They also should have made it clear that to get the best from the QED Quenex TTV, you had to spend another £20-30 on the RVR add-on - it does look great, but this hidden cost was never mentioned any time the cable was recommended, so again, incomplete advice as to the true cost.

Someone else will have to tell me whether all 3 Onkyos were previous supertest winners in 2007 or whether it was just the TX-SR605. If the other two models weren't, and are just hanging on the coat tails of the one surprise, then people have every right to dispute the results.

To balance this out - I've bought award winners before in What Hi Fi's history, two VCRs from 10 and 14 years ago when I knew even less than now, I don't paint myself as an expert. The recorders gave me the ten years you'd expect. Better recorders and newer technologies have been here for ages but I've been waiting for the right price/performance balance. I was already looking at the EZ27 because of my brother's positive experience with the 25 from last year, and the Award was the icing on the cake considering I'd picked two other Panny Award winners from yesteryear and never had a complaint.

There are always going to be some glaring perceived or factual errors and omissions in Awards lists, from little old What Hi Fi all the way to the Oscars for film (the latter being worse, film's totally subjective). Once you buy a really great DVD *player*, what can you do to see that great picture - beyond changing the interconnect, nothing unless you want a whole new screen. Physical aesthetics shouldn't matter but they do - no matter how many awards NAD won for their gear, their trademark style is Marmite - personally, I think they looked pig-ugly and I'd choose a different brand even if their equipment was the best, until they change the way they look. It's wrong, but that's how I feel considering I keep my gear until it dies rather than chopping and changing.

On balance, if like me the Awards issue is the only one of WHF that you buy and keep each year, then yes, some parts look like they don't bother re-examining it from year to year (accessories) but then other areas are moving so fast that it's a bit of a hot seat (eg flatscreen tellies) and you just have to buy it and not look back until it's replacement time. Speaking of that HDMI lead they're giving away, it's also a bit stupid to go mad about that when the RRP's £35 higher than last year's winner - clearly you get what you pay for - but hopefully on the net it's much cheaper and price won't matter.

Sorry for the long post , but it's not a simple issue.