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Old 20-03-2002, 10:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Soundproofing help!

I've just moved into a new house and my other half has volunteered to soundproof the walls for me. He's pretty good at DIY but we are both confused about how to build a stud partition wall. I am getting the soundproofing materials from Custom Audio Design, they have told me that we need to build an isolated stud partition wall in front of the exisiting wall using vertical timber batons, (do I need horizontal ones too?), we then need to fill the cavity with accoustic mineral wool, then attach resilient bars to the timber frame, the plasterboard is then hung on the resilient bars and as long as the screws are only screwed into the resilient bars and don't penetrate the timber framework the sound won't be transferred, we then add a layer of soundproofing matt and another layer of plasterboard, then all the edges are sealed with flexible mastic and skimmed over by a plasterer.

It's all very complicated to me, my question is, how or what is the timber framwork attached to? Do we just have vertical batons that are screwed to the floor and celiling, but not touching the side walls?

I hope somebody can help as we want to do this at the weekend but obviously don't want to spend a fortune and waste lots of time and then realise that it has no effect whatsoever because we haven't done it properly.

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Old 20-03-2002, 12:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Tracey,

not really sure on what you mean but a few pointers.

You will probably get your timber and board cheaper from a builders merchants or timber merchants than B&Q or the like. If you are buying a lot you will probably get low cost delivery from the above too. If the battens are going to be 3"x2"s then buy structural timber otherwise known as SCANT it is cheaper than plained sawn timber. It comes in 2.4 m lengths not 8'.

Sounds like you have a lot of work. There are other posts on soundproofing on the Forum and I'm sure others may be able to assist. You will have to brace the frame somehow either by itself or fix it to a floor or walls, although that may ruin the soundproofing. Normal stud walls use a horizontal top and bottom, one fixed to the floor and one to the ceiling. The frame is made up flat on the floor and then lifted into place and nailed or screwed in place. Verticals are usually evenly spaced at suitable centres 2' is suitable, as Plasterboard is 4' wide. Every other vertical is used as a joining point for the boards.

If you have a library nearby they may have some DIY books that show how to construct stud wall.


Wiring should be fitted prior to putting the plasterboard in place. You can get special plastic back boxes for use with sockets etc.

Hope this helps a little.
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Have Custom Audio design said whether the resilient bars run vertically or horizontally?
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thanks, that does help a bit, I think the bars are supposed to run horizontally. It's all confusing to me, luckily my boyfriend is very good at DIY but I'm beter at making cups of tea!
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The air gap between the old wall and the new stud wall is designed to reduce bass. The double skinned plasterboard wall is there to reduce high frequencies.

The stud wall has to be fixed to something, but sound proofing works better if the walls can flex a little. So it would seem that the resilient bars are a sort of rubber spring - they decouple the new wall from the timber frame to reduce vibrations penetrating whilst allowing the wall to flex and so improve sound absorbtion in the room.

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Wickes have "How to" leaflets on stud walls and are a lot cheaper on materials.
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Thanks to everyone for the advice, we now know how to do the stud wall, but we have another problem. what do we do about plug sockets, I need something for my hi-fi to plug into that isn't over the other side of the room, but I'm worried that it might ruin the soundproofing.
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Old 25-03-2002, 5:44 PM   #8 (permalink)
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If you have skirting on your new stud wall then fit protruding plastic wall boxes for sockets. Thes will screw directly onto the skirting and you will only need a small hole for the cable. They stick out a bit but probably more soundproof than a recessed wall box.

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To minimise sound leakage when fitting wall boxes make sure you stagger them so that where you have one between two battens inside a room, you don't have one on the other side of the wall in the room next door. That way there is no direct route for the air to take between each room. Get spark to seal entry oles at back fo sockets with sealant once they are fitted.

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I was actually thinking of using a 6 way extension block becuase there is a plug I can use that isn't on the wall. I don't know much about electrics, but does using an extension block give the same performance as having 6 wall sockets?
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Old 03-04-2002, 11:56 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I hope I don't step on any toes here, but here goes...

A perfect soundproof room is 'a room within a room' and is built on an isolating material (rubber blocking for instance) to stop sound traveling to the existing structure. Then new walls are fitted to the new (floating) floor, and ceiling joists fitted to them (but not touching the existing ceiling above). This is normaly not practicable, so just new walls are built.

To make a pukka job of soundproofing, ideally you would make a stud wall using 4 x 2 timber in the same way as you would a normal partition wall. Sound transmission thru floor and ceiling to the walls is not as great as you might think, so fitting the studd to a new horizontal 4 x 2 top and bottom timber is OK provided it doesn't touch the wall it is being built in front of.

Make sure this studd wall is one inch away from the existing wall. Vibrations/sound will travel to what it touches.

Fill the studd wall with 4ins of insulation material (find out how much better the acoustic stuff is over the stuff you'd get from Wickes if it's a lot dearer, it's probably not much).

Fit two layers of plasterboard using two 1/2inch or one 1/2inch and one 5/8inch. Use no-more-nails or similar between layers. Use the acoustic matting between for extra mass if you want (more mass the better i would say, but I'd find out more info first). Seal up all joins in the first layer using high modulus silicon rubber or similar.

Plaster as normal to finish.

Seal all edges and joins etc with silicon. Where air can travel, so can sound. Then fit your skirting and seal again.

DON'T use resiliant channel. Where this is good for sound isolation, it can also kill bass waves dead, so no matter how many subs you fit, the flex in the walls will cancel out the bass waves. That's why a 4x2 frame is better tha a 2x1 frame. You may get away with it if you fit them and your room *may* sound nice and bassy, but if it doesn't, you'll either have to live with it or remove them. failing that, fit bass shakers to the seating!

The insulation kills the higher frequencies, and only mass can stop bass wave travel, hence the two layers of plasterboard (and matting if you use it).

For more info try www.avsforum.com in the 'theater construction' forum. Dennis Erskine does this for a living and he certainly knows his job. Use the search facility and treat his comments as gospel.

If you can't afford to lose 6ins from the wall (1inch gap, 4inch wood, 1inch plasterboard) then use normal studding. It's not as rigid but will do the job to a lesser degree. It's what I did in my loft and is effective. See my homepage for construction pics. I did mine myself using materials from B&Q and Wickes.

My weak link is the cable duct in my rear wall which is insulated but still an air path for sound into the roof space.

Having said that, when doing a basic 'sound test' with my g/f outside in the front and back gardens (not at the same time ), she couldn't hear anything at all, even though I turned the volume up to trebble the normal setting. I was in the loft at the time and it was deafening.

I have a spl and could do a sound test, but ideally this would be at 2am when the ambient is at its least.

I will say that my loft soundproofing is a compromise, but is more effective than I thought it would be. Bass sound is pretty good, but then I have some 'shakers in the seats for added effect.

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Re: Soundproofing help!

I found this Pdf useful http://www.quietsolution.com/Making_Walls_Quiet.pdf
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Re: Soundproofing help!

Custom Audio Designs are OK but you can source the materials a lot cheaper from local suppliers - this is all CAD do.

Sheffield insulation do the acoustic plasterboard, acoustic mineral wool and the silicon - I think they do resilient bars also but worth checking. The delivery was fairly cheap too.

If you live local to Maidstone I have a few metres of resilient bars in my loft for a donation, but I will have to check exactly what lengths.
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Re: Soundproofing help!

i will go with what gary said about the Resilient bars, if got countless horrer stories from customers with no bass in the freshless built soundproofed rooms!

On a side note, slightly off topic, what is the going rate for pre-damped plasterboards?
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