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11-02-2008, 5:31 AM
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Quick question about colour changing with a Lutron Grafik eye
Do you need to use one zone for each of red-green-blue?
I'm guessing I do, but wanted to make sure before buying.
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11-02-2008, 9:17 PM
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Re: Quick question about colour changing with a Lutron Grafik eye
Anyone.........I need some help 
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12-02-2008, 11:07 AM
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Re: Quick question about colour changing with a Lutron Grafik eye
I do not know what you are trying to do exactly, but if you are planning on using LED's you might not be able to dim them. It depends on the fittings.Some will and some will not.
In order to create custom colours, you will need to have differenet intensities for the three primary colours, and it might not work.
I do not think Grafikeye is the right product. You need a DMX controler with an RS232 interface.
We do A LOT of colour changing, people love it. If you do it properly, you can use a Philips Pronto, or even a Netstreams system with a web tablet , in order to recall them.
The best thing to do is try your fittings to see if they are dimmable, so you take it from there.
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12-02-2008, 11:13 AM
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Re: Quick question about colour changing with a Lutron Grafik eye
I forgot to mention that if you are planning on doing a long distance of colours, ie over 5m, you will find that the intensity will start dropping and the light will not have an equal brightness.
In order to maintain the brightness you will have to use more power supplies, in order to make it work.
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12-02-2008, 12:40 PM
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Re: Quick question about colour changing with a Lutron Grafik eye
I wasn't thinking about dimming them, I'm thinking about a similar setup to this.......
http://www.mr-resistor.co.uk/design....=406&subid=408
This says it is controlled by a Lutron, like you say, most LED's aren't dimmable, so I'm not sure how this works.
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12-02-2008, 12:41 PM
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Re: Quick question about colour changing with a Lutron Grafik eye
Have you got a showroom at your place?
Our front room where the lights are going is only about 13' square.
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12-02-2008, 8:10 PM
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Re: Quick question about colour changing with a Lutron Grafik eye
There is a demo, yes.
BUT  the demo is controlled by a large lighting system that would handle the colour changing.Not a grafikeye.
A philips pronto recalls the various colours.The touchpanels do that too.And the web tablet
The link you had there, shows a picture which has been "photoshoped" with red,green,blue. I can't even see where the light is coming from. Notice that they are using 3 channels of the grafikeye to turn the R,G,B on or off. You can do all combinations of R,G,B and get magenta, cyan, yellow, etc. If the LED's are dimmable, then you will be ok.(some of them are)
If you do not want dimming, then there is no problem at all. In case you are wondering if you need dimming or not, imagine that you are mixing the colours and you are trying to create certain pink colour. If they are dimmable, adding some extra blue or taking some away, will give you the exact colour that you are after, and matches your decor.
Doing a proper colour changing job, you'd need led drivers, decoders, signal boosters, DMX console, a way to recall the colours, etc.
I believe the Grafikeye could do the magic, if you do it right. 
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12-02-2008, 8:49 PM
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Re: Quick question about colour changing with a Lutron Grafik eye
I've managed to pick up a 6 channel grafik eye equivalent for a bargain price today(that's if it actually works)
I'm just after wall wash's really, I'm guessing I need a dimable driver, but you can tell me, you're the expert. 3 zones should do the front room, I'm wondering where the hell I'm going to use the extra 3.
I love some of the pics on your website.....where is that award winner?
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12-02-2008, 8:51 PM
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Re: Quick question about colour changing with a Lutron Grafik eye
Slightly off the subject..........
In theory(with these colour changing systems) , you should be able to get brown light, i'd love to see what a brown light looks like.
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12-02-2008, 8:56 PM
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Re: Quick question about colour changing with a Lutron Grafik eye
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There is a demo, yes.
BUT  the demo is controlled by a large lighting system that would handle the colour changing.Not a grafikeye.
A philips pronto recalls the various colours.The touchpanels do that too.And the web tablet
The link you had there, shows a picture which has been "photoshoped" with red,green,blue. I can't even see where the light is coming from. Notice that they are using 3 channels of the grafikeye to turn the R,G,B on or off. You can do all combinations of R,G,B and get magenta, cyan, yellow, etc. If the LED's are dimmable, then you will be ok.(some of them are)
If you do not want dimming, then there is no problem at all. In case you are wondering if you need dimming or not, imagine that you are mixing the colours and you are trying to create certain pink colour. If they are dimmable, adding some extra blue or taking some away, will give you the exact colour that you are after, and matches your decor.
Doing a proper colour changing job, you'd need led drivers, decoders, signal boosters, DMX console, a way to recall the colours, etc.
I believe the Grafikeye could do the magic, if you do it right. 
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I'm guessing your can get only 8 colours if the LED's aren't dimable.
It might be more than that.
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12-02-2008, 10:19 PM
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Re: Quick question about colour changing with a Lutron Grafik eye
It is in Houston, USA.
I am glad you like it. We sell plans, so anybody can build a nice sounding room. I have the original drawings of that room here, so people can get an idea of what it takes to build a room like that.
If you go to "Home cinema engineering" page you will get a better idea.
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12-02-2008, 10:21 PM
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Re: Quick question about colour changing with a Lutron Grafik eye
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Slightly off the subject..........
In theory(with these colour changing systems) , you should be able to get brown light, i'd love to see what a brown light looks like.
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It looks "eau de toilette" 
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12-02-2008, 10:28 PM
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Re: Quick question about colour changing with a Lutron Grafik eye
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It looks "eau de toilette" 
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You may laugh, but I bet you'll have a look tomorrow, if you haven't already 
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13-02-2008, 10:11 AM
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Re: Quick question about colour changing with a Lutron Grafik eye
I have already. Not exciting, really.
It depends on the surrounding colours, if you are going to like something or not. That's why having the ability to customise, looks better. Try blue and red together, and you get magenta.
If you are adding colour in a little girl's bedroom, she'd want pink 
You can take 30% off that blue and make a nice deep pink, or find the exact point that it matches her Barbie's coat
Seriously,
before you start demolishing your livingroom, I am only 15-20 minutes away.
Come and get a few ideas you could use in yours. I bet you have never seen anything like this before. 
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13-02-2008, 10:48 AM
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Re: Quick question about colour changing with a Lutron Grafik eye
Can you PM me and give me an idea how much a basic remote control DMX based system starts at?
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