1080i .ts movies Vs hdmi upscaled dvd players

so is there really much quality difference from the 11gig average .ts files to that of say a denon 3910 pumpin out an hdmi upscaled image of a dvd.

[AML]

I would say yes. Having seen both as I own a 3910 and an HTPC, i think high quality 1080i TS files are amazing as these are usually from a source that was originaly filmed in HD and released in HD.

A 3910 takes existing DVD's that are SD and not HD, then simply adds more resolution to the mix to make them look better, but never as good as a real HD source picture.

alot of the films ive got are old (going back 2 years +) and therefore are definately not shot using hd cameras. does anyone know what films have been shot using hd cameras?? I expect my 21gig file of gladiator is as that is very good.

[jriihi]

Gladiator is not shot with hd cameras. You dont need hd cameras for hd res since normal firm res is far more.

[Stephen Neal]

Originally Posted by tim k

alot of the films ive got are old (going back 2 years +) and therefore are definately not shot using hd cameras. does anyone know what films have been shot using hd cameras?? I expect my 21gig file of gladiator is as that is very good.

I think you are confusing film with video tape.

In the main (with notable exceptions) films are not "shot using HD cameras" - they are shot using 16,35 or 65mm film in a film camera. 35mm and 65mm film - even that shot in the 30s and 40s can often have a higher resolution than HDTV - even stuff shot in black and white. You can thus chose to transfer these films to HDTV video using an HDTV telecine - and get high definition results. Certainly films shot in the 60s, 70s and 80s can all be re-transferred in HD (and higher) resolution.

Some movies these days ARE now being shot on HDTV video cameras (some running at 24 frames per second) to allow for lower cost shooting and editing. Probably the most notable of these were the recent Star Wars releases.

TV drama in the US is increasingly being edited HD - and in some cases shot on HD video cameras (again at 24p), though a lot of drama in the US is still shot on 35mm film, as it has been since the 50s and 60s. Until the 80s it was also common to edit US drama and comedy in the film domain - meaning many shows shot and edited on film in the 60s and 70s can be re-transferred in HD with full HD resolution.

Shows shot on standard def video, or shot on film and edited tape (but where the original film isn't available) cannot be treated in the same way.

thats great information, it cleared up everything i was thinking, many thanks for the insight!!

[RockySpieler]

Depends what you watch them on............

Seriously I do see a difference with upscaling DVD's verses 1080i / 720p downloads. I have not tried the Denon, but have a upscaling samsung HD-745 which I do not use much, as I prefer my HTPC's handling of upscaling when playing DVD's (black crush via DVI).

Watching my 32" LCD (768x1366) from a viewing distance of 3-4 feet, the quality difference is amazing, the fine details on hairs and skin. Even sat back on the sofa I can "feel" the detail my eyes do not perceive. I know that sound b**LL**Ks but it is a little bit like CD's verses vinyl, perhaps in time it will be researched, and the Higher resolutions may be less fatiguing to watch, as your brain needs to "guess" less of the hidden details. Equally there is more detail to process with HD so your eyes still may get tried.

[supermackem]

I find its a no contest,a proper hd movie will blow a upscaled movie out of the water. Upscaling adds information pixel wise that isnt there so in theroy it will be better than normal. But when you have a full hd movie the information is already there not faked so the picture looks alot better more detial etc. I have done a test with upscaled fifth element and a proper 720p fifth element. And the hd movie made the dvd look like vhs.

[Theriomophic]

Can I just ask how you connect HTPC to the TV? I have a one and am currently using the VGA connector to the back of my TV. My TV is the samsung LE40R51B?

Could I improve the quality? If so, how?

Thanks in advance for the reply.

T

[joker_zero]

Originally Posted by supermackem

I find its a no contest,a proper hd movie will blow a upscaled movie out of the water. Upscaling adds information pixel wise that isnt there so in theroy it will be better than normal. But when you have a full hd movie the information is already there not faked so the picture looks alot better more detial etc. I have done a test with upscaled fifth element and a proper 720p fifth element. And the hd movie made the dvd look like vhs.

Bottom line - the data for HD is simply not on the DVD - you can upscale as far as you like, all things being equal it wont ever get better than a source that has more data encoded in it in the 1st place.

[dsb]

Originally Posted by Theriomophic

Can I just ask how you connect HTPC to the TV? I have a one and am currently using the VGA connector to the back of my TV. My TV is the samsung LE40R51B?

Could I improve the quality? If so, how?

Thanks in advance for the reply.

T

HDMI or DVI connection will be best - both equal.

[David Mackenzie]

Of course the true HD version will look better. The most expensive machine in the world wouldn't be able to fake back detail that isn't present to begin with. It can re-shape the data that is there to make it look a little more natural and sort out jagged edges and the like, but you'll never get true HD detail form an upscaling player.