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19-05-2006, 7:14 AM
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That's nearly as many manufacturers as disks, awesome.
Is it true that Sony are quietly killing the format?
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19-05-2006, 8:57 AM
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There are over 3700 SACD titles available at the moment.
The Super Audio CD policy of Sony is quite strange, but don't forget Sony PlayStation 3 is SACD compatible. 
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19-05-2006, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by dvda-sacd
...don't forget Sony PlayStation 3 is SACD compatible. |
As it's not been launched, shouldn't that be "the PS3 should be SACD compatible"?
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19-05-2006, 12:23 PM
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Why on earth would you want SACD functionality in a games console??? AFAIK the PS3 will only have Toslink and the standard multi-out connector (which I think includes some sort of hmdi functionality?), in order to save costs. So unless they've suddenly approved HDMI for SACD (or toslink, lol), then I think its highly unlikely PS3 will be SACD compatible.
I personally wouldn't classify the electrical output/analog op-amps on games consoles as audiophile quality, so listening via phono break-outs on the multi-out cable would be a bit pointless.
And from what I've read, the PS3 is going to be catastrophically expensive for Sony to manufacture - they'll allegedly loosing something like $2-300 on each one they sell. If I were Ken Kutaragi, I certainly wouldn't consider increasing the cost & complexity of the PS3 by including such a luxury.
The people that know about and want sacd should have already invested in a stand-alone solution, which is precisely what a hi-res audiophile product like SACD demands....
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19-05-2006, 12:55 PM
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I think you don't need an audiophilie player to enjoy SACD. I know many SACD enthusiasts who use a cheap universal disc player for SACD playback.  What's more, I do not have a hi-end system, but I really enjoy SACD stereo. 
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19-05-2006, 1:00 PM
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I think Sony did annouce that the PS3 will be able to play SACD (it was also stated in their recent PS3 spec sheet). But I imagine the sound playback from the PS3 will be poor anyway.
The other thing thats seems stange to me anyway is that the PS3 will have a optical out socket but no Multi channel in (well I can't remember it mentioned on its spec sheet), so I guess the sound from an SACD will only be in stero (as my Sony SACD players instructions say it can't play anything other than stero when connected via optical).
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19-05-2006, 1:26 PM
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Some PS3 technical specifications:
AV Output
Screen size:
· 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI:
· HDMI out x 2
Analog:
· AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital Audio:
· DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1
Disc Media
CD:
·PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD:
·PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc:
·PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE
http://www.ps3portal.com/sony/article/308.html
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19-05-2006, 1:30 PM
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Originally Posted by dynamic turtle
Why on earth would you want SACD functionality in a games console??? AFAIK the PS3 will only have Toslink and the standard multi-out connector (which I think includes some sort of hmdi functionality?), in order to save costs. So unless they've suddenly approved HDMI for SACD (or toslink, lol), then I think its highly unlikely PS3 will be SACD compatible.
I personally wouldn't classify the electrical output/analog op-amps on games consoles as audiophile quality, so listening via phono break-outs on the multi-out cable would be a bit pointless.
And from what I've read, the PS3 is going to be catastrophically expensive for Sony to manufacture - they'll allegedly loosing something like $2-300 on each one they sell. If I were Ken Kutaragi, I certainly wouldn't consider increasing the cost & complexity of the PS3 by including such a luxury.
The people that know about and want sacd should have already invested in a stand-alone solution, which is precisely what a hi-res audiophile product like SACD demands....
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Sony intend the PS3 to be their cheapest Blu Ray platform. HDMI 1.2 is capable of carrying high resolution sound (including DSD) and as Sony owns DSD it is not costing them anything to implement. Don't believe the hype about costs because a mass produced item like the PS3 provides the very mechanisms for bringing costs down drastically. And in all honesty making a universally capable platform like the PS3 is not all that complex. SACD cannot remain the property of hi-fi purists and survive as a viable format. For it to catch on it has to be perceived as mainstream. Sony are obviously hoping both Blu Ray and SACD are carried to widespread acceptance on the back of their new product.
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That's nearly as many manufacturers as disks, awesome.
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Isn't it UMD that is being removed. Sony offered others the chance to use the format but if I am right there have been no takers...
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19-05-2006, 2:25 PM
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Well, for a start, that picture is well out of date - here's the latest lie-adjusted rear-end pic from E3: http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2006/0...e-updated.html
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Sony intend the PS3 to be their cheapest Blu Ray platform. HDMI 1.2 is capable of carrying high resolution sound (including DSD) and as Sony owns DSD it is not costing them anything to implement. Don't believe the hype about costs because a mass produced item like the PS3 provides the very mechanisms for bringing costs down drastically. And in all honesty making a universally capable platform like the PS3 is not all that complex. SACD cannot remain the property of hi-fi purists and survive as a viable format. For it to catch on it has to be perceived as mainstream. Sony are obviously hoping both Blu Ray and SACD are carried to widespread acceptance on the back of their new product.
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Cheapest blue-ray platform? Surely not? Is the PS2 sony's cheapest DVD platform? I don't think so - I'm sure they make £50 rrp dvd players. And I'll say it again, QUALITY, not "cheapness" is the goal with audiophile/videophile standards like SACD & Blu-Ray. I find it amazing that electronics majors want to offer high-quality media through low-quality/integrated solutions like games consoles. If I can afford to buy a £3k hi-def plasma set, surely I can afford a focused, high quality £2k stand-alone blu-ray player?
I doubt Sony very much that sony thought SACD would EVER be a mass-market product. Most people have to concentrate hard in order to hear a difference between the same material encoded in 192kbps MP3 and 16/44.1 PCM, let alone tell the difference between 16/44.1 PCM and SACD. Not really something you'd ever be able to sucker joe public into paying for IMO (though the same argument could be reversed in the case of CD vs. Vinyl, which really did sucker JP).
Sony co-owns DSD with Philips AFAIK, I don;t think either of them owns, or has final say about what constitutes the HDMI standard. I'm sure they could apply to the "HDMI Council" for SACD inclusion, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't a lot of expensive legal wrangling and research involved behind the scenes....
I will believe the hype about PS3 costs - they're real and will only be recouped after a long time (assuming of course, the PS3 is as wildly popular as PS2). If Sony get it wrong, CELL/PS3 development costs have the potential put Sony in serious financial pain. AFAIK they're really betting the farm on this one. The original XBOX cost so much to produce that MS have already replaced it with the 360 after only 4 years - a very short life span for a games console, but the costs of making it were simply uneconomical.
Blimey, I'm really getting off-topic here, but have to get this off my chest!
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19-05-2006, 2:28 PM
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BTW, nice part of the world you live in, dvda-sacd. Granada/Seville is my idea of heaven - gorgeous landscape, great food, lovely weather and just about the most consistently beautiful women I've ever had the pleasure of drooling over!!
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19-05-2006, 4:45 PM
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dynamic turtle, have a read of this! The HDMI/DSD thing is already a done deal!
As for "cheapest blu ray platform" the Sony marketing man for the UK, Ireland and Scandinavia quoted that as a reason PS3 will be desireable. Obviously that will be at launch, who knows what will happen after.
I would point out at this point that I am not a gaming console man nor have I ever been so I don't know about the politics or economics behind Sony and Playstation. However, can you honestly see PS3 as a failure? Even second place in the console market will make the company concerned very rich. There is room enough for both! 
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