[mooperman]

Well, took my first scoop with water today around 11.45ish and was at the gym for around 12.20.... cant say it pushed me any harder, i felt like vomming at the end but to be honest this has been my first proper workout in almost 3 - 4 weeks (mixture of being ill/car MOT issue/busy as hell at work has kept me away much to my annoyance) so i dare that was more to do with that....

Will try it again on my next visit (Wednesday) and report back, think i'll give it a couple of weeks and if still nothing then i'll drop it.

[reiteration]

yes, I'm not sure I'll be using it on a regular basis - as I'll be doing more exercise on my gymnastic ring tonight (whih I do 4-5 times a week if possible)...tho, I'm still using my creatine as usual...

[paolodiquigley]

Phd V-max pump and No Explode are prob the best that ive used and ive used alot of them over the years. To be honest there are all good to start with but you will build up a tolerance pretty quickly and find yourself using more and more scoops to get the buzz u had the first time round. Pretty much taking it as a habit now, really not sure if im getting any effects from it. Dont want to go to the gym without taking anything incase I have a bad session lol

[reiteration]

as a side note to this, when I bought mine, I got it from amazon and took up the offer of some cheap tribulus (total price 22 quid i think), and boy, do I like them...

don't think they much use for a guy in his 20s, but for someone like me (42) - spot on...

[Ben-H]

My friend who is a PT swears by 1MR (1 more rep) not tried it myself tho!

[silent ninja]

Originally Posted by reiteration

as a side note to this, when I bought mine, I got it from amazon and took up the offer of some cheap tribulus (total price 22 quid i think), and boy, do I like them...

don't think they much use for a guy in his 20s, but for someone like me (42) - spot on...

Tribulus, isn't that like a supposed testosterone booster that makes one more 'active'?

[wookielover]

Originally Posted by silent ninja

Tribulus, isn't that like a supposed testosterone booster that makes one more 'active'?

All test boosters , unless pro hormone or roid , are normally a waste of money and rarely - if at all work ... From what I've read

[sniffer66]

Originally Posted by wookielover

All test boosters , unless pro hormone or roid , are normally a waste of money and rarely - if at all work ... From what I've read

That's my understanding as well. Some, like Trib, will give you a libido boost but that's nothing to do with test levels

DAA is meant to work to some extent but I've only seen the results of one trial. Theres not enough conclusive data. Increasing free test doesn't necessarily result in muscle growth either

[reiteration]

yep, it's certainly improved my libido...

can't say it's done anything else really, perhaps a bit more energy? but as for my libido then I've no complains about that...!! and that's the only reason I've got it, not that I had any issues before, it's just making me feel like a 20 year old again...

[wookielover]

you could always try something from
www.dragonnutrition.co.uk

there stuff will boost every thing

[sniffer66]

Originally Posted by wookielover

you could always try something from
www.dragonnutrition.co.uk

there stuff will boost every thing

Pro-Hormones's ??

[wookielover]

Originally Posted by sniffer66

PH's ??

Safe to take if researched .

[sniffer66]

Originally Posted by wookielover

Safe to take if researched .

Yeah we had a discussion a few weeks ago. Personally I'm not convinced the side effect/risks with oral stuff outweighs the gains.


You tried any ?

[wookielover]

yep hdrol for 6 weeks . remember that these are steroids and legal. i had sides , sore elbows being the biggest, some low days and some acne . nothing unbearable and with a good pct ( post cycle therapy ) i kept most of my gains. i was stronger and put on about 10 pound . bear in mind that training and diet play try biggest role and both where very strict. im going to try pro mag 35 next month . i was also very sensible in consulting my gp before and after and having blood taken so i could ensure that everything was where it should be. i think if your sensible then all is good. but different people react in different ways.

[sniffer66]

Originally Posted by wookielover

yep hdrol for 6 weeks . remember that these are steroids and legal. i had sides , sore elbows being the biggest, some low days and some acne . nothing unbearable and with a good pct ( post cycle therapy ) i kept most of my gains. i was stronger and put on about 10 pound . bear in mind that training and diet play try biggest role and both where very strict. im going to try pro mag 35 next month . i was also very sensible in consulting my gp before and after and having blood taken so i could ensure that everything was where it should be. i think if your sensible then all is good. but different people react in different ways.

Thanks, never spoken to anyone who has done them. Did a bit of reading a few weeks ago,out of curiosity mainly - I was bored

Did you go the SERM route for PCT or Over The Counter ?

Curious on the doc - was he helpful or anti ?

[wookielover]

I did a a mixture . Nova and a over the counter hobby. With the pro mag 35 I'll use dragon nutrition 6 bromo. I've got a very good very middle class country gp. Totally honest ...this is what I'm doing ... This is how they work ..... There totally legal .... Could I have bloods checked for this and this . I was very lucky . I won't go there again tho because I think I'll be pushing my luck and if everything was ok the first time then there is no reason why anything would change. It's pros and cons . You take a small calculated risk but can make impressive fans with strength and lean mass , but you have to dedicated and work hard

[sniffer66]

Cheers for the info. Must admit, at my age, its kinda tempting. Test levels are dropping and its harder to put on muscle. Had my kids and the snip so no worries in that respect. I just worry about existing test levels not recovering (cos I'm older)and having to go on TRT for the rest of my life

[wookielover]

Originally Posted by sniffer66

Cheers for the info. Must admit, at my age, its kinda tempting. Test levels are dropping and its harder to put on muscle. Had my kids and the snip so no worries in that respect. I just worry about existing test levels not recovering (cos I'm older)and having to go on TRT for the rest of my life

head over to muscletalk.co.uk and read the pro hormones guide. ask those questions and you'll get a better answer then i can give. I've never heard of anyone's test levels not going back . maybe if you abused them and went on cycle after cycle you'd have a problem. maybe if you had a poor or no pct . in the great scheme of things hdrol and pro mag are mild.

[sniffer66]

Cheers, will go a do a bit more research I think

[Boozehound]

I never take pre-workout drinks as I absolutely despise the effects too much caffeine has on me - palpitations, a weird feeling of being detached, jittery and a general feeling of something just not being "right". Hard to explain but for me they aren't worth it. I just have fish or egg whites and 100g of low GI carbs about an hour before I go. Obviously I don't get any sort of boost but I usually have the energy to finish my workout to a decent standard.

[IL Cattivo]

Not a muscle drink as such, more a Hydration drink but had a couple of samples of Highfives ZERO tablets in this months Mens Fitness mag. Never used them before so thought I would give them a go before my usual 1 hour football session last Wednesday and found them to be very good. They're supposed to be cramed full of needful electrolytes which help out the muscles during rigourous activity and especially good at preventing cramps, which I can sometimes suffer from in my calves during football and tennis matches.

Ordered me some more...

[reiteration]

according to the daily fail - jack3d's been banned..!

Jack3d sports supplement banned in Britain over fears it may have lethal side-effects | Mail Online

haven't checked any other sources as such...but quickly ordered some from amazon and it's been dispatched... same price as last time too...

edit - yeah, this link seems to back it up...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...1346163441482A

[Desmo]

Yep, I posted as such earlier on in the thread

[reiteration]

indeed...not sure what will happen to the current stock that suppliers will have..? will they have to get rid then straight away, or can they sell them off still?

[kingslynnfc7]

My local sports shop is just selling them off. 2 for £40. A lot of other supplements will also be pulled off the shelves soon that contain the banned ingredient.

[mooperman]

Originally Posted by kingslynnfc7

My local sports shop is just selling them off. 2 for £40. A lot of other supplements will also be pulled off the shelves soon that contain the banned ingredient.

i only paid just over £23 for my tub.....

[sniffer66]

Someone try Craze from Driven Sports. Rocket fuel !

Google it and there are a lot of forum posts on BB sites raving about it ! And it wont be illegal soon

[Dan Baker]

I've heard good things about Myo Blitz so thats next on my list to try but I've got plenty of NO-Explode and Amped to get through first.

[Ben-H]

Originally Posted by sniffer66

Someone try Craze from Driven Sports. Rocket fuel !

Google it and there are a lot of forum posts on BB sites raving about it ! And it wont be illegal soon

I've just ordered a tub of Berry Lemonade..

Have you tried it yourself or do you want to know how it goes?

[sniffer66]

Originally Posted by Ben-H

I've just ordered a tub of Berry Lemonade..

Have you tried it yourself or do you want to know how it goes?

I'm just finishing my second tub.

The 2nd tub actually hit me more than the first. I wonder if they changed the formula. Though I ordered from the same place - Predator Nutrition (who were very quick to deliver btw)

I'm doing 2 scoops in a sec (grape flavour). Tastes awful but goes down quick
Its great for weights workouts, I wait about 45 mins after taking and you can really feel it kick in. Also good for cardio as well, I did a 40 miler on the bike with one brief stop the other week, even then I didnt want to get off

I wouldn't have it too late in the day though as I find it keeps me awake. Gives me the whole jaw clenching, dry mouth thing I used to get clubbing, if you get my drift . Chewing gum is a good idea. But I'm very sensitive to stimulants so it might not hit you as much