[blaupinkt]

hi i was thinking of buy N Premium 1.5m HDMI Cable from >>here<< basicly to run on my PS3 when it arrives.. but after browsing their site i saw this other cable >HDMI Flat Cable - Pro Grade Gold Plated with in built EMI suppressors in the connector< which is slightly more expensive, would i be better off getting the more expencive cable at £13.99 or the first one i saw at £7.49.

also has anyone brought anything from this site cos i have never heard of them

[Badger0-0]

I wouldn't spend much on a cable at all mate.

[davepuma]

Originally Posted by blaupinkt

also has anyone brought anything from this site cos i have never heard of them

They advertise on the site and a few people have used their cables. Do a search and you will find out more.

[razor38]

i bought the premium ones from there and very happy with them
There are some decent ones on ebuyer for 3.49 too

[blaupinkt]

ok thanks, just ordered the cheaper ones..

[muddyfox470]

A bit of a hijack. Any idea for a fairly cheap HDMI cable around 5-10m long, I don't want to spend more than £10 to be honest - I think £1 a metre is fair :D

Cheers,

Ian

[nokmond]

Originally Posted by muddyfox470

A bit of a hijack. Any idea for a fairly cheap HDMI cable around 5-10m long, I don't want to spend more than £10 to be honest - I think £1 a metre is fair :D

Cheers,

Ian

These are fine, i have 2 of them - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130511

[HDMIHead]

Originally Posted by blaupinkt

hi i was thinking of buy N Premium 1.5m HDMI Cable from >>here<< basicly to run on my PS3 when it arrives.. but after browsing their site i saw this other cable >HDMI Flat Cable - Pro Grade Gold Plated with in built EMI suppressors in the connector< which is slightly more expensive, would i be better off getting the more expencive cable at £13.99 or the first one i saw at £7.49.

also has anyone brought anything from this site cos i have never heard of them

The N Premium and the Flat Cable quality is the same, the flat cable manufacturing is just high. Also as i have said multiple times its not the cost but the spec one needs to see.
We use
0.5-2m = 30 AWG
3-4m = 28 AWG
5-9 = 26 AWG
10-20 = 24 AWG

[HDMIHead]

Originally Posted by muddyfox470

A bit of a hijack. Any idea for a fairly cheap HDMI cable around 5-10m long, I don't want to spend more than £10 to be honest - I think £1 a metre is fair :D

Cheers,

Ian

Hmm its impossible to get a quality 24-26 AWG cable for £1 per meter.
A rule of thumb to use
5-9m = 26 AWG
10-20m = 24 AWG

But if you want to waste your money on substandard cables youre welcome to

[nokmond]

How are cheap cables 'substandard' tho? You will get no better picture with one of your expensive hdmi's than i get with my free sky hdmi cable. Stop trying to imply otherwise.

[JohnWH]

Originally Posted by nokmond

How are cheap cables 'substandard' tho? You will get no better picture with one of your expensive hdmi's than i get with my free sky hdmi cable. Stop trying to imply otherwise.

The implication is not that you get a better picture, but if you get any picture at all! At longer lengths you do generally need heavier gage cable to ensure that the cable is going to work, this generally means the cables cost a little more. There is of cousre no justification for the amount that the likes of Chord, Monster etc charge for their cables, particularly as they are likely to be the exact same cable (manufactured in China) as is used by the cheaper non branded alternatives.

John.

[nokmond]

I agree. I've bought 10m and 15m hdmi cables and never spent more than £1 per metre on them. They have all worked perfectly at 1080p. If they didn't work i would have returned for a refund.

[Joe Fernand]

Hello all

Where does everyone get the idea that factory 'China' is one big place where everything is done in the same way at the same price.

I have many Trade Price lists from cable and cable assembly manufacturers; from one supplier alone I can choose up to forty different types of HDMI plugs, eight different types of gold plating on the plugs and around fifty designs of cable.

Each 'option' costs more (or less) than the next one - just as in any manufacturing process.

I can also choose to use a rated 'cable' or have 'my' Cable Assemblies sent off to HDMI.org for certification of the Cable Assembly.

Cable Assemblies from 'China' can cost a couple of Dollars per 1m cable assembly (if you purchase in bulk) - or a lot more if I want to ensure exactly what I receive when they land in the UK.

Joe

[HDMIHead]

Originally Posted by nokmond

How are cheap cables 'substandard' tho? You will get no better picture with one of your expensive hdmi's than i get with my free sky hdmi cable. Stop trying to imply otherwise.

You didnt read the post carefully did you?


HDMI ORG Specifies the guage of the cable that needs to be used for each length. Hence if you buy a cable that is out of HDMI Org spec hence called 'substandard'.

0.5-2m = 30 AWG
3-4m = 28 AWG
5-9 = 26 AWG
10-20 = 24 AWG

Also its not us who have set the standards. For more details visit http://hdmi.org/contact/index.aspx

Or you can write to

HDMI Licensing, LLC
1060 E. Arques Avenue, Suite 100
Sunnyvale, CA 94085
USA

[HDMIHead]

Originally Posted by nokmond

These are fine, i have 2 of them - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130511

As for ebuyer, these guys have no clue what they are selling.

Check this out

Now that is calling for a lawsuit

[muddyfox470]

The way I understand it is that HDMI cables carry only full digital sound and picture signals, i.e. 1's and 0's so degredation isn't that much of an issue because it is easy to distinguish whether the signal is on or off, even with noise.

Now as a cable gets longer you will add more noise, and there is the possibility of greater flaws in the material and cable which *could* lead to a loss of some signal - bu is highly unlikely. I've never been one to waste my money on the most expensive things because they cost so much and nether do I like buying the worst and cheapest available. I want something that will give me good usage out of it and not throw up any problems.

Considering the points I've mentioned above about HDMI cables, I am happy enough to go for a fairly cheap one. One thing about the AWG grading is how do you find out which grade you are buying, as only a single purchaser with no further info how am I supposed to tell?

Originally Posted by Hdmihead

As for ebuyer, these guys have no clue what they are selling.

Check this out
...

Now that is calling for a lawsuit

Seems like exactly the same cable manufacturer to me consider the shape and size of the connector, all because of a little stick on logo/badge it qualifies for a 'lawsuit' ? I'm amazed at how we are turning more american these days


So anyway back to the question, where can I buy a reasonable 10m cable for on the cheap? (1080P v1.3)

[HDMIHead]

Originally Posted by muddyfox470

The way I understand it is that HDMI cables carry only full digital sound and picture signals, i.e. 1's and 0's so degredation isn't that much of an issue because it is easy to distinguish whether the signal is on or off, even with noise.

Now as a cable gets longer you will add more noise, and there is the possibility of greater flaws in the material and cable which *could* lead to a loss of some signal - bu is highly unlikely. I've never been one to waste my money on the most expensive things because they cost so much and nether do I like buying the worst and cheapest available. I want something that will give me good usage out of it and not throw up any problems.

Considering the points I've mentioned above about HDMI cables, I am happy enough to go for a fairly cheap one. One thing about the AWG grading is how do you find out which grade you are buying, as only a single purchaser with no further info how am I supposed to tell?



Seems like exactly the same cable manufacturer to me consider the shape and size of the connector, all because of a little stick on logo/badge it qualifies for a 'lawsuit' ? I'm amazed at how we are turning more american these days

ebuyer is selling fake, counterfeit goods. Also its so obvious... my point is that they dont know the product and they are just selling cables for the sake of selling.

As for the 24 AWG the cable diameter should be around 10mm, i totally agree for "a single purchaser " its very hard to distinguish. Thats why its better to buy from reputable HDMI sellers.

One more thing, even if we ask our factory in china to make a 10m HDMI Cable with 28AWG they will refuse. If they do so they will be kicked out of the HDMI Association

[muddyfox470]

Originally Posted by Hdmihead

One more thing, even if we ask our factory in china to make a 10m HDMI Cable with 28AWG they will refuse. If they do so they will be kicked out of the HDMI Association

So HDMI cables can only be called that if they are accredited by the association? Is there any tell-tale signs on the packaging etc? I would say the logo, but it's not hard to print that on a bit of cardboard

and it is China we are talking about here, some factories will just not care. And by the time they arrive here shipments will probably be mixed anyway.

I found this but its a bit daunting for someone like me: http://hdmi.org/manufacturer/approved_connectors.aspx

[HDMIHead]

Originally Posted by muddyfox470

So HDMI cables can only be called that if they are accredited by the association? Is there any tell-tale signs on the packaging etc? I would say the logo, but it's not hard to print that on a bit of cardboard

and it is China we are talking about here, some factories will just not care. And by the time they arrive here shipments will probably be mixed anyway.

You cant use the hdmi logo on the cable or the packaging if the manufacture is not a hdmi adopter. Even if you are an adopter the cables need to follow the specs that the org has set.
True some factorys dont care, neither do the buyers if the buyers stop buying fake, Counterfeit goods the factorys will stop making them. The demand creates the supply.

[muddyfox470]

Originally Posted by Hdmihead

You cant use the hdmi logo on the cable or the packaging if the manufacture is not a hdmi adopter. Even if you are an adopter the cables need to follow the specs that the org has set.
True some factorys dont care, neither do the buyers if the buyers stop buying fake, Counterfeit goods the factorys will stop making them. The demand creates the supply.

Just because they can't use the logo doesn't mean they won't
In this current marketplace I've never heard of counterfeit hdmi cables up til now. I think its more a lack of information more than anything.

Also you mentioned a 10m cable would have to be around 10mm thick, thats pretty thick tbh!

[Apone]

Originally Posted by Hdmihead

ebuyer is selling fake, counterfeit goods. Also its so obvious... my point is that they dont know the product and they are just selling cables for the sake of selling.

As for the 24 AWG the cable diameter should be around 10mm, i totally agree for "a single purchaser " its very hard to distinguish. Thats why its better to buy from reputable HDMI sellers.

One more thing, even if we ask our factory in china to make a 10m HDMI Cable with 28AWG they will refuse. If they do so they will be kicked out of the HDMI Association

Some good points mentioned, thanks.

BTW i also use your cables and have had no issues whatsoever, the quality is good and price is reasonable

[HDMIHead]

Originally Posted by muddyfox470

Just because they can't use the logo doesn't mean they won't
In this current marketplace I've never heard of counterfeit hdmi cables up til now. I think its more a lack of information more than anything.

Also you mentioned a 10m cable would have to be around 10mm thick, thats pretty thick tbh!

I totally agree, more on counterfeit visit
http://oami.europa.eu/RCDOnline/RequestManager
and type in 000310339-0001 as the Design number
the best is ebuyer has put the product under their own brand name Plexus.. lol

as for the 24 AWG Cable yup 10mm is thick but thats used so the signal does not degrade. I know weight is not a measure but our 2m cable weighs around 120g and the 10m is 2KG.

[Apone]

Originally Posted by muddyfox470

Just because they can't use the logo doesn't mean they won't
In this current marketplace I've never heard of counterfeit hdmi cables up til now. I think its more a lack of information more than anything.

Also you mentioned a 10m cable would have to be around 10mm thick, thats pretty thick tbh!

FWIW my 20M cable is very thick. The clincher for me was that this cable has no 'RF' suppression on the outside of the cable. Before using the HDMI cable i have now, i saw and purchased another 'no brand' cable from a Cedia certified installer and paid more for it as well. The 'RF' suppression ring was huge and i could not bend the cable even slightly for me to connect to the projector, as the rear of the projector is near a wall. So i gave it back and got a refund.

Not sure why some cables need the noise suppression ring and some don't. Maybe it is the quality of the internal wiring that is not up to the standard and a noise suppression ring is needed

Like i said, i am very happy with my second cable with no ring.

[HDMIHead]

Originally Posted by Apone

FWIW my 20M cable is very thick. The clincher for me was that this cable has no 'RF' suppression on the outside of the cable. Before using the HDMI cable i have now, i saw and purchased another 'no brand' cable from a Cedia certified installer and paid more for it as well. The 'RF' suppression ring was huge and i could not bend the cable even slightly for me to connect to the projector, as the rear of the projector is near a wall. So i gave it back and got a refund.

Not sure why some cables need the noise suppression ring and some don't. Maybe it is the quality of the internal wiring that is not up to the standard and a noise suppression ring is needed

Like i said, i am very happy with my second cable with no ring.

We call the ring a ferrite, interestingly we dont use a ferrite as it adds to the weight of the cable and its very hard to install in walls. Solution we internally shield the cable hence we dont need to put a ferrite

[muddyfox470]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Labgear-Prem...0416990&sr=1-3

Comments on these? Manufactured by Philex that assure full accredited HDMI compliance. I also have a £2.50 voucher which could come in handy

[Apone]

Originally Posted by Hdmihead

We call the ring a ferrite, interestingly we dont use a ferrite as it adds to the weight of the cable and its very hard to install in walls. Solution we internally shield the cable hence we dont need to put a ferrite

I hope that 3 of the above cables are not the ones you 'used' to make

[muddyfox470]

Originally Posted by Hdmihead

We call the ring a ferrite, interestingly we dont use a ferrite as it adds to the weight of the cable and its very hard to install in walls. Solution we internally shield the cable hence we dont need to put a ferrite

I am tempted by your cables but all the 10m ones are gone, only 8 and 9m cables left.

I was looking at the HDMI express, I'd be interested to know what the ratings transpose into, i.e. the differences between the cables.

Would your 9m cable therefore be the lesser grade than the 10m one? Also can you confirm the manufacturer that makes all these.

Again the express ones look good - £17.99 for 9 m, but still...

[HDMIHead]

Originally Posted by muddyfox470

I am tempted by your cables but all the 10m ones are gone, only 8 and 9m cables left.

I was looking at the HDMI express, I'd be interested to know what the ratings transpose into, i.e. the differences between the cables.

Would your 9m cable therefore be the lesser grade than the 10m one? Also can you confirm the manufacturer that makes all these.

Again the express ones look good - £17.99 for 9 m, but still...

stick with the premium.. the express are not the best hence we are discontinuing the series we have had discrepancy with the supply.

[JohnWH]

Originally Posted by Apone

FWIW my 20M cable is very thick. The clincher for me was that this cable has no 'RF' suppression on the outside of the cable. Before using the HDMI cable i have now, i saw and purchased another 'no brand' cable from a Cedia certified installer and paid more for it as well. The 'RF' suppression ring was huge and i could not bend the cable even slightly for me to connect to the projector, as the rear of the projector is near a wall. So i gave it back and got a refund.

Not sure why some cables need the noise suppression ring and some don't. Maybe it is the quality of the internal wiring that is not up to the standard and a noise suppression ring is needed

Like i said, i am very happy with my second cable with no ring.

The ferrite ring is actually supposed to stop the kit you're connecting to from injecting spurious noise down the cable. These things do actualy work, but if your kit doesn't cause a noise problem then you don't need them...

John.

[tutu]

Originally Posted by Hdmihead

stick with the premium.. the express are not the best hence we are discontinuing the series we have had discrepancy with the supply.

Which is better? Premium or Premium-N? At 10m