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My son, whose eyes are infinitely better than mine, walked through as I was watching LOTR last night on Sky/Ch4HD and said that he was impressed by the high def picture -- and yet this movie wasn't flagged as HD in the EPG. Anyone else think this looked better than SD? Perhaps Ch4 got the flags wrong...
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14-09-2008, 9:16 AM
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Originally Posted by square_eyes  My son, whose eyes are infinitely better than mine, walked through as I was watching LOTR last night on Sky/Ch4HD and said that he was impressed by the high def picture -- and yet this movie wasn't flagged as HD in the EPG. Anyone else think this looked better than SD? Perhaps Ch4 got the flags wrong...
Simon | It wasn't in HD, although it was on C4HD. It was just upscaled.
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14-09-2008, 9:40 AM
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Originally Posted by kenedin It wasn't in HD, although it was on C4HD. It was just upscaled. | That's what I told him but he insisted the picture was better than his boxed DVD set of the trilogy.
The SD picture on the normal Ch4 looked pretty rough to me so the upscaling for HD somehow managed to improve the sharpness by several orders of magnitude.
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14-09-2008, 9:59 AM
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I checked it out to see what it looked like. Didn't look HD to me.
C4HD usually do a very good job of upscaling, so I don't know why you think the SD looks shody.
Professionally upscaled SD from a good SD master would be better than a highly compressed DVD upscaled.
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Originally Posted by mattclarkie C4HD usually do a very good job of upscaling, so I don't know why you think the SD looks shody. | The SkyCh 104 picture was no worse than other SD channels but it looked shoddy compared to the SkyCh 140 picture when switching between the two.
My limited experience of watching SD programmes which have been upscaled for HD has led me to believe that the upscaling makes the picture worse, generally. So if LOTR was indeed upscaled SD then it's a revelation to me since it was by some distance the best example I have ever seen (well, in the past month, anyway)... and greatly superior to the Ch 104 picture.
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Originally Posted by square_eyes My limited experience of watching SD programmes which have been upscaled for HD has led me to believe that the upscaling makes the picture worse, generally. So if LOTR was indeed upscaled SD then it's a revelation to me since it was by some distance the best example I have ever seen (well, in the past month, anyway)... and greatly superior to the Ch 104 picture.
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CH4 would have had a broadcast quality PAL master which is more or less butchered to product the results of what we see on a broadcast SD channel thanks to resolution and bitrate choices by the broadcaster. However for CH4HD the same PAL master is upscaled so you begin with a far superior source to create the upscaled HD when compared to upscaling SD or a DVD yourself.
You also have to factor in the differences between a master from a theatrical production compared to a TV production, the gap is closing but the vast majority of content on the market is only upto TV requirements.
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ive seen the trilogy while staying with my brother in the states earlier this year, if was in HD u would've know, it really is that much better in HD! almost reference material.
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Originally Posted by mattclarkie I checked it out to see what it looked like. Didn't look HD to me.
C4HD usually do a very good job of upscaling, so I don't know why you think the SD looks shody.
Professionally upscaled SD from a good SD master would be better than a highly compressed DVD upscaled. | how do you tell when on a HD channel if the program is true HD or upscalled? I never thought about this. Presumed because it was on CH4HD it was always HD??
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Originally Posted by cutebabe01 how do you tell when on a HD channel if the program is true HD or upscalled? | True HD is flagged as "HD" in the info bar.
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If it is in HD then it will have the HD tag in the information. I think Eurosport HD put that awfull Full HD dog on the actual picture.
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Originally Posted by square_eyes True HD is flagged as "HD" in the info bar.
Simon | Is that in the bar where is says like DD for Dolby and R for a repeat etc?
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Originally Posted by cutebabe01 Is that in the bar where is says like DD for Dolby and R for a repeat etc? | Yes, either from pressing i from the programme itself , or from the EPG .
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LOTR C4HD Sat 14th
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The HD flag isn't correct all the time, even on Sky One HD they get it wrong. Sometimes shows in HD are not flagged HD.
However, C4HD show so little HD, that unless flagged HD it is 99.9% probability it is SD.
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Originally Posted by Martin J. LOTR C4HD Sat 14th
FYI, if this thread mysteriously disappears, it will have gone to the same place as the above. | Thanks for the heads-up. Had I found that other thread I wouldn't have duplicated the discussion, so apologies -- especially as the topic now seems to be neither HD nor hardware related.
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