[I M Buschy]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am very new to the flat screen tv bandwagon. I will be purchasing my first LCD or Plasma tv shortly and I have not been able to find anything to help with my one major concern.

I currently operate a toshiba H84 rear projection tv at 1080i resolution. The tv is 57 inches. This tv has no input lag with my xbox 360.

I would like a similar size tv in either plasma or lcd. I need input on a tv that has next to nothing when it comes to input lag with my xbox 360. I am a professional Halo 3 player as well as Guitar Hero but every tv I have tried has a significant lag where it effects play to a degree where I will not be competetive. But my main concern is Halo 3 and the lag I have noticed.

If someone gives me some good advice, I will gladly help them reach level 50.

Any suggestions on a tv that would be good for gaming?

As always, I very much appreciate the help!

Ian

[EEC3]

I have a Toshiba LCD and don't get any input lag at all. Very good TV and HAlo 3 looks awesome on it - very bright. Go for something with a quick response time. Should be listed in the specs for the TV.

If you can get yourself down to a decent Home Cinema shop (i.e. not comet) they should let you try Halo on it before you purchase

Can I have my 50 now

[I M Buschy]

I have been to many different shops and at least for my level of gaming, I need precision.

I guess I am wierd like that but thank you very much for the input.

I am trying to get 50 inches or bigger.

One more question.

How do you link your gamertag to this forum?

You can send me a friend request if you like. Just shoot me a message or a post so I know to accept it via the forum.

Bandos is No 1

That is my gamertage

[markgodley]

You wont get a LCD 50" or bigger...well not at a cheap price.

Plasma offer greater response time's, Panasonic all the way.

To add you gamertag go to control panel> edit your details then at the bottom it will say "xBox Live Gamer Tag"

[1LeeDenton]

When I was buying my LCD about 2 years ago, one of the key factors I was looking for was a fast response time. At the time my Sharp 32" LCD was one of the leaders in this category.....I think it was 6ms, which has probably been bettered technology wise since.

I noticed the other day that you can get a Sony LCD with 200hz, so that should also help with smooth (accurate) motion....

My 2p worth.......now, about that 50

[markgodley]

Originally Posted by TG V1P3R

When I was buying my LCD about 2 years ago, one of the key factors I was looking for was a fast response time. At the time my Sharp 32" LCD was one of the leaders in this category.....I think it was 6ms, which has probably been bettered technology wise since.

I noticed the other day that you can get a Sony LCD with 200hz, so that should also help with smooth (accurate) motion....

My 2p worth.......now, about that 50

Lcd's are still around the 4ms mark for response time. Most Panasonic plasma are 0.001seconds response time.

Panasonic is a must if you want fast response time, get one of the new 600hz

[Codehead]

Originally Posted by markgodley

Most Panasonic plasma are 0.001seconds response time.

Isn't that 1ms?

[I M Buschy]

If I go with a plasma, am I still going to have burn in issues?

Thanks for the help in linking my gamertag.

[markgodley]

Originally Posted by Codehead

Isn't that 1ms?

correct, serves me right for pasting from panny website

[I M Buschy]

Money isn't really an option. I am in Kuwait now so saving is easy. Don't really have anything to spend it on over here.

[markgodley]

Originally Posted by I M Buschy

If I go with a plasma, am I still going to have burn in issues?

Thanks for the help in linking my gamertag.

Burn in issues are a thing of the past. They are not a concern anymore. At the start of plasma technology it was an issue but technology has advanced over the years and its not really an issue.

You could say the same about LCD; Am i going to get dead pixels?

[I M Buschy]

If burn in isn't a problem anymore, why on earth would anyone by an LCD because contrast ratio and motion is much better on plasma?

I very much appreciate everyone's input and help on the matter.

[markgodley]

Originally Posted by I M Buschy

If burn in isn't a problem anymore, why on earth would anyone by an LCD because contrast ratio and motion is much better on plasma?

I very much appreciate everyone's input and help on the matter.

1) Personal choice, LCD's dominate the market from small screen sizes up to about 32-40"
2) Cheaper to produce at them sizes, so cheaper to purchase for customers. You wont see many good plasmas for around the <£500 mark

[1LeeDenton]

Originally Posted by I M Buschy

If burn in isn't a problem anymore, why on earth would anyone by an LCD because contrast ratio and motion is much better on plasma?

Excellent question - I'm starting to get upgrade-itis having owned my 32" LCD for about two years now. Would love something nearer 40", and was always under the impression that the PQ on a plasma was 'better'......seeing as burn in appears to have been addressed, I can't see the reason to buy an LCD over a plasma....very interesting.

[sordid_sentinel]

I use a cheap Hannspree 37" LCD and get no input lag on either Halo or Guitar Hero/Rock Band I've gamed on a plasma too though and it definitely looked better (although I think the tech in newer LCD's is closing the gap now)

I'm no expert in these things but isn't input lag caused by the tv processing the picture it receives before it displays it? Try for a TV with minimal fancy effects (eg 100hz/ motionflow etc). Also most tv's don't process any input from the vga socket, you could use that on your tv of choice for the best results.

The above might be a load of , but I think that's how things work your best bet would be as EEC3 says, try to get to a decent shop and test any prospective tv's yourself.

Now about that 50, I'm not a greedy man. A 45 would do me

[1LeeDenton]

Originally Posted by sordid_sentinel

Now about that 50, I'm not a greedy man. A 45 would do me

[I M Buschy]

You are absolutely correct when it comes to input lag. But that can directly effect for when you press a button and when you actually see the results of your button pressing. That is the latency that I am talking about.

I do know VGA inputs solve this issue but you aren't getting the most out of your tv.

I guess I am being too greedy.

What levels are you guys in Halo?

If you ever need any tips or tricks, just let me know and I would be glad to help you guys out. You all seem kind and responsive in this section of AVS.

The other sections aren't quite so pleasant.

[1LeeDenton]

Highest Skill 46 (Team SWAT). About 34 in Slayer.

[sordid_sentinel]

Highest skill 34 for me any tips and tricks you could impart would be highly appreciated by everyone I'm sure

[I M Buschy]

I have to admit TG. You are one of the rare few that is quite a bit hight in Swat then anything else.

I am actually on a 40 at Swat and stopped playing because the design flaw with the Elite's neck and host advantage can be to great to overcome at the top levels.

When it comes down to TS and DT and Squad and all objective type games, is there ever a gameplan or someone directing and communicating to everyone else?

I am a 50 in doubles and TS and I was working my way to 50 in squad before I had to go to Kuwait for work.

Weapons. What do you like to do. What are your appropriate skills at? i.e. driving, br, sniping, close quarters?

Just a few more questions. They all help in formulating my plan to get you guys to the levels that you want to be at.

[vicendea]

Input lag is a big issue for me too. Read the review on this site for the Panasonic TXP50V10, he dedicates a whole section of the review about the lack of input lag.

'Video gaming performance was fantastic on the TX-P50V10. I could not detect any input lag whatsoever using my usual test game (Halo 3 on the Xbox 360, with the console scaling to 1080p). In fact, the TV was so responsive that I actually had to lower the game's controller sensitivity option, which I've had turned up to compensate for the TV lag that I'm all too used to. Games took on a new lease of life thanks to the lack of delay - the responsiveness was just a breath of fresh air. I wouldn't be surprised if users of this display have a serious advantage in online games over a lot of other people.'

Surely that answers your question! I don't really want to fork out this kind of cash, does anyone know of the input lag on the x42 and s42?

[1LeeDenton]

Pretty tired of SWAT now, as you rightly say I've reached the conclusion that it's more a question of who has the best connection/host at the higher levels.

I'm sure I speak on behalf of pretty much everyone here in that we ALL prefer the BR as our primary weapon. Some are quite handy with the Sniper Rifle (EEC Gray for example), and some are melee kings (TG H0LLYW00D), but primarily I think we all feel most comfortable with a BR ready to go.

Starting Team Slayer matches with an AR really drives me mad - useless piece of junk

[EEC3]

Originally Posted by TG V1P3R

Some are quite handy with the Sniper Rifle (EEC Gray for example)

since when???

Buschy - if you want to join our clan see here ----> Players needed for Halo 3 Top Gun Masters on gamebattles.com

[I M Buschy]

I agree one hundred percent with the BR.

What I have found that works for me was being patient. I know most people can't do this but I have two people I very regularly play with Tomany Diseases and Glondarkpp are both low level twenties.

I know that the dexterity with there hands isn't good enough for them to hold their own so I normally develop a strategy based on their skills.

I will give you an example where the 3 of us beat 4 45's.

We were playing on Valhalla.

As soon as we spawn, Tomany Diseases get a br and the shotgun by the cave and heads back to underneath the base.

I get to shield drain, br, and sniper and go up to a cliff where there is decent cover so only a sniper paying attention can see me and I normally kill the sniper before they see me.

Now GloNdarkpp gets a br, keeps his AR and gets the misslepod and goes below.

And we just stay put until the other teams get tired and comes after us. Normally I won't shoot unless I can guarantee a one shot one kill or I can get two shots off before they can spot where the shots are coming from. I call them out and tell them wich door they are coming to so the two in the base can respond according to to who is going in with what weapons. Vehicles only effect me because I am the only one outside so normally when they start going after me, I use the power drain and or GloNdark uses the missle pod.

It can get boring but really helps with team work and communication. After a while, you learn to choke points on map and where to position your people so where ever they spawn at least one person has eyes on but waits for help before shooting.

But I think it is paramount to go get the weapons you are good with first and make a strategy to fit the entire team so nobody is on an island.

Team BRing is a big bonus to good Comm.

[I M Buschy]

I will register with you guys but it is going to be quite a while before I get online again.

I was comissioned to come to Kuwait to give unfortunate soldiers video games and play Halo with them.

While it is absolutely amazing. The internet isn't very sufficient to play online. But once I get home I will def play with you guys.

I hope you are all still on then.

I will see if I can send you guys friend requests

[Billy Goodgun]

I'm always about, giving Halo dirty looks and striving for that killtac achievement on Mythic I would love to hit 45 one day (I'm not a 50 as I'm too inconsistent, but I reckon I could make 45 with a bit of perseverance and luck).

Back to input lag, I also have a Panny. it's a 32" LXD80, if memory serves. Anyone know whether the review archive holds one on this model? I'm not too familiar with the other parts of this forum - just the games bit!