[Phill1978]

cool

IGN: Beyond High-Definition Gaming


think il have one of these then...


Hands on with 4K2K super-projector, Meridian claims £100K D-ILA model is simply 'the






would be funny, imagine doing that to 4 xbox360`s ! the noise would be imense as 50 fans kicked in and all in 720p x 4 haha (360 cant do real 1080p )

[Axum]

That is frightening!! Now when's that lottery win coming my way ?!!

[Tigerblade]

Quad SLi PS3 edition

[DJ Ovengloves]

Yes it can, only on a limited number of games - Virtua tennis 3 is an example.

Originally Posted by Phill1978

(360 cant do real 1080p )

[Phill1978]

Originally Posted by Lee

Yes it can, only on a limited number of games - Virtua tennis 3 is an example.

no i dont think it can although id like to be shown otherwise.

as far as i know the dash is upscaled from 480p to whatever res you need hence looking decidedly poor compared to the real 1080p 50hz display of a PS3 menu system / theme

also, when running games your using the scaling chip to move to 1080p, technically a GPU with that power could probably like PS3 manage even higher res than 1080p just like a pc gfx card can, but i belive but i could be wrong that the 360 is limited to output a real 720p with 1080p upscaling


however, 1 concession is that i think it may be able to do 1080i in certain cases but again i think this probably not the case.

explain how and or prove it and il gladly learn something new today.

i have yet to see the definition of GT5 HD / Wipeout HD 1080p 60hz via HDMI on PS3 via any media on x360.

and it would appear its far easier to extract that resolution on PS3 games for whatever reason ? there are growing number that use it, even if some are simpler games.


cheers

[catisfit]

I guess resolution is the way of this generation, but making 4 PS3s run the game at 240fps was much more interesting to me than 2160p. 1080p is more than enough already, there's a limit to how much finer you want your polygon edges or shader computation given the same fundamental models and textures.

GT at 240fps has to be smooth as greased silk though

[BTW 360 can do native 1080p, Virtua Tennis 3, FIFA Street 3 and NBA Street Home Court are the games which have done it so far. Also the NXE is not 480p, it's 720p ]

[DJ Ovengloves]

From Sega themselves:-

Virtua Tennis 3 First Native 1080p Xbox 360 Game « The Sega Blog

other links.....

Gamasutra - Virtua Tennis 3 To Be First 1080p Xbox 360 Game

MAXCONSOLE - XBOX 360 - Virtua Tennis 3 serves up a 1080p Ace on Xbox 360

And so on....

Looks like you learnt something.

As for your problem with the dash...it's rendered in 720P and then upscaled...sounds like the 360 Via HDMI may not scale nicely, or your projector doesn't like what it's fed...I can't comment because I use VGA

Originally Posted by Phill1978

no i dont think it can although id like to be shown otherwise.

as far as i know the dash is upscaled from 480p to whatever res you need hence looking decidedly poor compared to the real 1080p 50hz display of a PS3 menu system / theme

also, when running games your using the scaling chip to move to 1080p, technically a GPU with that power could probably like PS3 manage even higher res than 1080p just like a pc gfx card can, but i belive but i could be wrong that the 360 is limited to output a real 720p with 1080p upscaling


however, 1 concession is that i think it may be able to do 1080i in certain cases but again i think this probably not the case.

explain how and or prove it and il gladly learn something new today.

i have yet to see the definition of GT5 HD / Wipeout HD 1080p 60hz via HDMI on PS3 via any media on x360.

and it would appear its far easier to extract that resolution on PS3 games for whatever reason ? there are growing number that use it, even if some are simpler games.


cheers

[sunnybacon]

Blimey. This is every gamer's ultimate dream
This is the next step in HD - it's not actually Ultra HD, it's called Quad HD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2160p

You think that's cool, wait till you check out proper Ultra HD (4320p): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_H...finition_Video

[Mark Hodgkinson]

Originally Posted by Phill1978

snip

So you didn't read all the replies to your 'Image Quality' thread on the 360 Boards then

[r4zb3rry]

Large resolutions are nice but, frame rate is where its at.

240FPS = "like a real world event happening in front of your eyes" - now this is exciting to read about.

r4z

[DJ Ovengloves]

Indeed...Wipeout HD is amazing visually for me as it's 60 FPS, no questions asked!

Originally Posted by r4zb3rry

Large resolutions are nice but, frame rate is where its at.

240FPS = "like a real world event happening in front of your eyes" - now this is exciting to read about.

r4z

[gamicoulas]

Does anyone know of any displays that can refresh at 240Hz?

I know the old computer CRTs could be driven close to the mid 100s, but for LCDs I don't know anything that accepts more than 60Hz. I wonder if they've really noticed any difference except the frame counter on the corner!

[davebutton]

sony's kdl40Z4500 is 200hrz

[catisfit]

Originally Posted by gamicoulas

Does anyone know of any displays that can refresh at 240Hz?

I know the old computer CRTs could be driven close to the mid 100s, but for LCDs I don't know anything that accepts more than 60Hz. I wonder if they've really noticed any difference except the frame counter on the corner!

They used a particular display which could handle the framerate.

[Phill1978]

i think 60hz/FP seems slick and fast, i recon on GT5 HD sometimes there is v-sync problems and it drops, however even if it was another 20frames i.e 80-90fps i think it would make a world of difference, there is just a small margin of motion blur on corners and general feel to the image isnt quite 'live' although it is way better than 24hz of blueray or 30 of dvd (this is on a DLP with no inherant motion blur)

the HDNM of a philips tv can make stuff seem very 'live' 'real' as it has a setting that can do either 48 or 96hz/FP on the later it is very smooth/fast and certainley improves the percieved clarity.

btw i stand by my 360 comments, the video dac is inferior to the ps3. this is obvious as the ps3 is designed for high quality video vs pure gaming toy/console.

[DJ Ovengloves]

Your constant 360 bashing is getting rather tedious..why bother, especially since the 360 and PS3 forums are just getting friendlier as the rampant f**boys have all recently being warned off by Benchy / Moogle and co and seem to be behaving themselves?

I'm beginning to suspect your not here to learn anything at all, but simply posting to get a rise - another to the ignore list me thinks

Originally Posted by Phill1978

btw i stand by my 360 comments, the video dac is inferior to the ps3. this is obvious as the ps3 is designed for high quality video vs pure gaming toy/console.

[Raoul_Duke]

Originally Posted by Phill1978

no i dont think it can although id like to be shown otherwise.

as far as i know the dash is upscaled from 480p to whatever res you need hence looking decidedly poor compared to the real 1080p 50hz display of a PS3 menu system / theme

also, when running games your using the scaling chip to move to 1080p, technically a GPU with that power could probably like PS3 manage even higher res than 1080p just like a pc gfx card can, but i belive but i could be wrong that the 360 is limited to output a real 720p with 1080p upscaling


however, 1 concession is that i think it may be able to do 1080i in certain cases but again i think this probably not the case.

explain how and or prove it and il gladly learn something new today.

i have yet to see the definition of GT5 HD / Wipeout HD 1080p 60hz via HDMI on PS3 via any media on x360.

and it would appear its far easier to extract that resolution on PS3 games for whatever reason ? there are growing number that use it, even if some are simpler games.


cheers

Yet this doesn't seem to help PS3 games look better than 360 games, now does it?

[Mark Hodgkinson]

Originally Posted by Lee

I'm beginning to suspect your not here to learn anything at all, but simply posting to get a rise - another to the ignore list me thinks

Aye, I'm starting to think the same

[Phill1978]

its an opinion forum, not a "lets all play along together and conform" forum.

Its my opinion. I had the same issue with xbox 1 vs PS2 and yet i didnt own a ps2 and wouldnt buy a ps3 because im not a big sony fan (but then my xbox die 4 times ! and i wanted proper HD support)


there is no way im trying to create a rift.


Simply, each is a piece of electronics one does a job better. one has better actual gfx, one is geared for media better i.e cd upsampling, one is geared better for gaming online.

now i do think there are some extremley sensitive people who for some reason attach an almost football club following to a piece of computer machinery.

odd.

sharing our thoughts is the only reason a forum exists. to control this means you may aswell log off and bog off.




Now lets get back on topic

[Mark Hodgkinson]

Originally Posted by Phill1978

its an opinion forum, not a "lets all play along together and conform" forum.

Absolutely but I think it grates with people when you don't read/take notice of pieces of info already given to you in other threads and continue to spout misinformation.

Anyhow, that's me out of this one

[Phill1978]

forgot to add, i have pointed out some serious negatives on ps3 hardware aswell in the past, check out the UT3 review, and my recent comment about a lack of AA, so im not biased.


just picky

[Norlo]

@ Phill1978

You need to listen and learn when people tell you, facts, rather than just talking nonsense. I am not saying you cannot have an opinion or comment, because everyone is clearly entitled to that (and if you choose to stand by them, then fair enough), but, there comes a point when the old 'opinion' line, in the face of facts to the contrary, start to make you look like a tool.

Originally Posted by Phill1978

as far as i know the dash is upscaled from 480p to whatever res

Wrong. And you have been corrected. Although i would agree that the PS3 XBM does look better because that is in 1080p. The NXE is 720p as Cat told you.

Originally Posted by Phill1978

btw i stand by my 360 comments, the video dac is inferior to the ps3. this is obvious as the ps3 is designed for high quality video vs pure gaming toy/console.

What facts make you stand by your comments? Link? Source? Or just 'belief'?

Originally Posted by Phill1978

but i belive but i could be wrong that the 360 is limited to output a real 720p with 1080p upscaling

Wrong. And you have been corrected.

Originally Posted by Phill1978

would be funny, imagine doing that to 4 xbox360`s ! the noise would be imense as 50 fans kicked in and all in 720p x 4 haha (360 cant do real 1080p

Wrong. And you have been corrected.

Originally Posted by Phill1978

also, when running games your using the scaling chip to move to 1080p, technically a GPU with that power could probably like PS3 manage even higher res than 1080p just like a pc gfx card can,

Not even sure what you are talking about here. What uses a scaling chip to move to 1080p? The 360 can internally upscale to 1080p for all games that render nativity below 1080p, for games that render nativity at 1080p, the 360 outputs 1080p.

The PS3 games tend to not upscale internally from the native resolution of a given game by default, i.e. you cannot just say to the PS3, output everything in 1080p regardless of native resolution. On the 360 you can. I am not saying either way is 'better' - it is just a fact. So, MotorStorm 2 for example renders nativity at 720p, and that is what the PS3 outputs, you cannot force the PS3 to output MS2 at 1080p. Same for LBP, native 720p, and that is what the PS3 outputs. Some games on the PS3, which render nativity at 720p, can be forced to upscale into 1080p by the PS3 (COD 4 for example), but that must be coded into the game.

The reason PCs GFX cards can render in higher than 1080p is because they are about 3 generations newer than PS3/360 GPUs. The 360 is known to have a batter GPU than the PS3 - i think most educated people would agree on that. Although that does not = better graphics due to PS3's Cell. Two very different approaches, both ending is very similar quality of visuals, frame rates and 'eye candy'.

As you say, a forum is a place for people to talk, express different opinions, but, equally, you can't come on here and start with the playground talk about 1080p, PS3, 360, power, GPU etc and expect to not be put right. People on here know there stuff, you clearly do not. (if i have got anything wrong, then i guess i will be corrected - a good thing).

If you just want to talk PR bull and have a Sony love in, you might want to try PS3 Headline Makers - MaxConsole Forums. You might feel more at home there

[Norlo]

Originally Posted by Phill1978

just picky

I think i would use the word, uneducated

[Phill1978]

well theres too much to reply too norlo

the xbox function where you bring up the console menu for music or to sign out is 480p its an overlaid graphic (by that i mean the actual original format is in this res, of course your display will have to run at the res you choose including the overlay) and indeed it looks awfull and not a thing like the definition of the game running underneath, that you cant deny. Overlaid graphic from a separate chip to allow the seemless play from the main GFX for the game and to control xboxlive friend requests and music as mentioned.
why 480p ? because the lowest common denominator is used for people with old sd tv`s, there is no point running this function in 720p. unless you have firm evidence to support the othercase then your opinion is just as strong or as weak as mine.

also, the upscaling on xbox360 is a separate (and not amazing) chip away from the main GPU, hence all games run in 720p but then are scaled, i would conceed that some could run in 1080p IF you could prove it wasnt just the scaler inside and some marketing hype in games like VT3, how can you tell ? if you have your scaler set to 1080p then you use the scaler, so the only other way is to set the display to 720p in the dash and run a 1080p game to see if it switches to 1080p resolution (ala PS3) ... it doesnt as far as ive seen on these games.

im not into calling people uneducated or stupid, iam educated but my common sense prevails over this.

ive answered all of your points pretty much in that post

[Mark Hodgkinson]

Originally Posted by Phill1978

well theres too much to reply too norlo

the xbox function where you bring up the console menu for music or to sign out is 480p its an overlaid graphic as far as i was aware (i did read this a while ago) and indeed it looks awfull and not a thing like the definition of the game running underneath, that you cant deny. Overlaid graphic from a separate chip to allow the seemless play from the main GFX for the game and to control xboxlive friend requests and music as mentioned.
why 480p ? because the lowest common denominator is used for people with old sd tv`s, there is no point running this function in 720p. unless you have firm evidence to support the othercase then your opinion is just as strong or as weak as mine.

also, the upscaling on xbox360 is a separate (and not amazing) chip away from the main GPU, hence all games run in 720p but then are scaled, i would conceed that some could run in 1080p IF you could prove it wasnt just the scaler inside and some marketing hype in games like VT3, how can you tell ? if you have your scaler set to 1080p then you use the scaler, so the only other way is to set the display to 720p in the dash and run a 1080p game to see if it switches to 1080p resolution (ala PS3) ... it doesnt as far as ive seen on these games.

im not into calling people uneducated or stupid, iam educated but my common sense prevails over this.

ive answered all of your points pretty much in that post

Pretty much 100% wrong again, well done

If noone has done so before I get chance I'll link you the FACTS later. For now, if I were you, I'd quit whilst you were behind.

[Phill1978]

Originally Posted by hodg100

Pretty much 100% wrong again, well done

If noone has done so before I get chance I'll link you the FACTS later. For now, if I were you, I'd quit whilst you were behind.

so the xbox360 does not have a separate scaler chip . engine ?

unless microsoft lied ? i thought the HANA/ANA was the scaling chip used also to promote the gfx overlay

[Mark Hodgkinson]

Originally Posted by Phill1978

so the xbox360 does not have a separate scaler chip . engine ?

The scaler is part of the GPU, not separate from it

EDIT: No HANA/ANA are merely video output chips to deal with the various demands, not scalers. When did MS say they were?

[Phill1978]

Originally Posted by hodg100

The scaler is part of the GPU, not separate from it

EDIT: No HANA/ANA are merely video output chips to deal with the various demands, not scalers. When did MS say they were?

reading reports (which can be googled) from about a year ago.

anyways

PS3 running GT5 in that res, it would be nice


great thread,


btw i do love mi 360 aswell

[Mark Hodgkinson]

Originally Posted by Phill1978

reading reports (which can be googled) from about a year ago.

anyways

PS3 running GT5 in that res, it would be nice


great thread,


btw i do love mi 360 aswell

I'll tell you what, I'll not waste any more of my time replying to your posts in future. Talk about in one ear....

[onkeh]

1080p for games is all a bit overrated if you ask me (unless you have a huge screen/projector or something). I'd much rather have 720p with lots of AA, effects and 60fps instead of 1080p with no AA at 30fps.