Police pushed heart attack victim at G20 demo.

[Bill Hicks]

This footage is quite shocking considering that the man being pushed died minutes later from a heart attack, was not a demonstrator and was walking away from the police at the time of him being pushed to the ground.

BBC NEWS | England | London | Footage shows G20 death man push

This act was totally uncalled for and the officer that pushed him should face an independent enquiry!

[pandemic]

There's no audio in the footage so it's hard to know precisely why he was pushed. The policeman may have been asking him to move away, which he was doing very, very, slowly. Could have 'frustrated' the policeman to give him a push. Still we have to bear in mind, nobody could have predicted he would have a heart attack.

[smelly]

Its awful that a man died, but we have to be very careful to automatically assume its all the policemans fault. As bla5er said you can't hear what was being said, you can't see the lead up to this, and no one could have known that he would have had a heart attack. Obviously that doesn't give the policeman the right to shove anyone indiscriminately but equally they must have been under an awful lot of pressure that day.

An awful thing to happen, but is it really necessary to have to blame anyone in Daily Mail style??

[shodan]

I think an inquest will come from this. It does appear though that with a line of police officers walking towards him (and police dogs too) and he stands around in the way with his hands in his pockets and doesn't do what I think most normal people would do, get out of the way. So he gets pushed, he may have been given verbal warnings and ordered to move, or he may not have. However at the end of the footage you can see him walk away past the camera.
I heard it reported that he was just trying to get home from work but he didn't seem to be trying to hard to get home there.
Of course, all the armchair solicitors will be out in force with their opinions and demands that the Met be charged and the officer who pushed him be hung drawn and quartered etc etc....

[LFC_SL]

Well no as it would be incredibly hard to prove any criminal liability on the part of the Met itself here. More likely a civil action, if any. More immediately possible would be for the individual officer concerned to face multiple proceedings and claims

[neilios]

Typical police bullying again ,totally uncalled for ,why not just escort the bloke across the road instead of shoving an old man hard in the back .Probably died of stress and shock being caught up in that lot.

[IronGiant]

Let's wait for the facts? If you dispute them, then please come back...

[Mep]

Originally Posted by neilios

Typical police bullying again ,totally uncalled for ,why not just escort the bloke across the road instead of shoving an old man hard in the back .Probably died of stress and shock being caught up in that lot.

without going into the rights and wrongs (but like others have said without sound it's very hard to judge......and he doesn't look in too much of a hurry) but 47 does not make him an old man.......you make it sound as if a frail old pensioner has been shoved over.

[neilneil]

Originally Posted by Mep

without going into the rights and wrongs (but like others have said without sound it's very hard to judge......and he doesn't look in too much of a hurry) but 47 does not make him an old man.......you make it sound as if a frail old pensioner has been shoved over.

Well he may well have been that frail. After all, he did die of a heart attack shortly afterwards.

-Neil

[The Dude]

Originally Posted by neilios

Typical police bullying again ,totally uncalled for ,why not just escort the bloke across the road instead of shoving an old man hard in the back .Probably died of stress and shock being caught up in that lot.

Boo to that comment.


If the organised (by whom?) protest had never hapened, then this man would almost certainly still be alive.

[Bill Hicks]

If you watch the video on the news channels as opposed to the BBC website link you can see the amount of force that was used in the push.
The man had his hands in his pockets presenting no threat to the officers involved.

If the police had verbally told the man to move quicker then that is still no excuse for the amount of force used against him.

Also the incident took place on Cornhill well away from the police cordon.

I can understand the amount of stress that these officers were under on the day, but it still does not excuse the actions of this police officer!

[Mep]

Originally Posted by neilneil

Well he may well have been that frail. After all, he did die of a heart attack shortly afterwards.

-Neil

that wasn't the point was it

[LFC_SL]

Originally Posted by The Dude

Boo to that comment.


If the organised (by whom?) protest had never hapened, then this man would almost certainly still be alive.

I did not realise that such a presumptive approach is to be adopted by the police during protests. Thanks for the comment

[The Dude]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

I did not realise that such a presumptive approach is to be adopted by the police during protests. Thanks for the comment

Presumptuous?


Factual.



Thanks for the comment, young man.

[LFC_SL]

I think you need to leave the complex outside the door and try reading my post again as it did not mean anything close to what you think it does