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Name abbreviations, where do they come from?

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Old 05-12-2008, 12:12 PM   #1
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Name abbreviations, where do they come from?

As per the title's question where to abbreviations of name's come from (can't think of a better/the right word to use here).

i.e. William being Bill and Richard being Dick etc.
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Old 05-12-2008, 12:24 PM   #2
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Re: Name abbreviations, where do they come from?

Let me google that for you

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Most of these names are simple abbreviations of earlier forms of the ‘regular’ name. Some are a bit odder than others.

Among the simple ones are James -> Jim. Back when James was bisyllabic (or even trisyllabic; James is the English form of Jacomus, which is the Latin form of the Greek name Iakobos, i.e., Jacob/Jake), Jim (or Jēm, or something like that) arose as a simple abbreviation.

William -> Bill, Robert -> Bob and Richard -> Dick are the same, just removing the last syllable. The w -> b and r -> d are probably from foreign pronunciations of the names—r was trilled heavily in Norman French (where Richard was also kept as Rickard, with the k sound, much longer than in English), and at some point, the English heard that trill as a d. Similarly, Irish had no w earlier on (though it does now), only a bilabial pronounced like a b without the lips touching each other; the English just heard this as a b, and Will(iam) became Bill. The more purely English forms Rich(ie) and Will(y) exist as well, of course. And besides Bob, other forms used to be quite common as well, all rhyming: Dob, Hob, Nob [I kid you not], Lob.

(Also, the meaning of ‘dick’ as penis comes from the name Dick, not the other way around)

Jack from John is a bit more complex, since it’s not English, but Dutch. John, as you probably know, comes from Johannes. This became, in Early Dutch, Jan, to which was added a diminutive suffix -kin (same as -chen in Modern German), giving Jankin. This then became Jakkin (Jackin) in English, which was shortened to just Jack (2001, if you’re a Will & Grace fan).

Hank is, properly, the exact same name. Besides Jan(kin), Johannes also became Hans or Hankin in Dutch, and this was similarly shortened to Hank in English (though without the intermediate Hackin step). I suppose using it for Henry is an arbitrary shortening based on the French form of this latter name, Henrique (Henrik/Hendrik in Dutch), by removing the -ri-, but not the k...

Babs is just a simple shortening, nothing more. The s at the end is not uncommon in such shortenings (Kevin can become Kevs, etc.), though it doesn’t seem to have been standardised as the only form in other names than Barbara, that I can think of...


So basically, they’re all just regular name abbreviations and pet forms, formed more or less regularly (at the time they were formed).
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Old 05-12-2008, 12:35 PM   #3
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Re: Name abbreviations, where do they come from?

Great post thanks.
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Re: Name abbreviations, where do they come from?

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And besides Bob, other forms used to be quite common as well, all rhyming: Dob, Hob, Nob [I kid you not], Lob.
I wish to lodge a complaint..........

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Re: Name abbreviations, where do they come from?

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Jack from John is a bit more complex, since it’s not English, but Dutch. John, as you probably know, comes from Johannes. This became, in Early Dutch, Jan, to which was added a diminutive suffix -kin (same as -chen in Modern German), giving Jankin. This then became Jakkin (Jackin) in English, which was shortened to just Jack (2001, if you’re a Will & Grace fan).
So is that why alot of jockernese people call John's Jack?
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Re: Name abbreviations, where do they come from?

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I wish to lodge a complaint..........

you are not happy with ''Mr Incredible Nob?''
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Re: Name abbreviations, where do they come from?

How come Abbreviations is such a long word?
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Re: Name abbreviations, where do they come from?

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How come Abbreviations is such a long word?
reminds me of this fact
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The World Wide Web is the only thing I know of whose shortened form takes three times longer to say than what it's short for.
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