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15-08-2008, 11:33 PM
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Just watched this. By god Im SOOOO glad I don't live in the US. I`m actually glad Im in the UK and even France has a stellar Health care system. Heck even CUBA has a better one than the US.
I swear, corporate America is evil.
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16-08-2008, 7:06 AM
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Originally Posted by evilgenius  Heck even CUBA has a better one than the US.
I swear, corporate America is evil. | Shussh, don't tell everybody, Cuba is evil.
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16-08-2008, 7:53 AM
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Had me in tears at the end when they went to Cuba with the 9/11 rescue workers.
But I was feeling very emotional that day 
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16-08-2008, 8:01 AM
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Funny that our healthcare system sucks (underfunded etc etc) yet it is way ahead of places like the US.
Some of the horror stories from the US were just inreal!! Same with everything though, privatise it and it goes to ****!! Just look at the trains.........
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16-08-2008, 8:08 AM
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America is a fantastic place to live with 2 caveats
1) you need a reasonable income, some money in the bank for a rainy day
2) you need health insurance
If you do get ill and have insurance / money you will get the best health care there is, the hospitals are spotless, full of the latest kit, and have many staff per patient. It costs a fortune and ideally you dont want to get ill.
Moore's reporting on the NHS is biased and twisted in the extreme, my wife is a senior manager in a very large trust (multi billion turn over) and even with the huge amounts of extra money neu labor have pumped into it the NHS is rapidly heading for bankruptcy. The service can be bloody awe full as well, she laughed through the film, pointing out the errors, twisted facts, facts out of context and some blatently wrong facts.
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16-08-2008, 8:10 AM
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The thing that worried me was the stories of the insurance company doing anything they could to get out of paying up (ethical or not) and leaving people with crippling bills.
Its all about the money not the actual provision of healthcare. Quote:
Originally Posted by eric pisch If you do get ill and have insurance / money you will get the best health care there is, the hospitals are spotless, full of the latest kit, and have many staff per patient. It costs a fortune and ideally you dont want to get ill. |
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16-08-2008, 8:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mrapbp The thing that worried me was the stories of the insurance company doing anything they could to get out of paying up (ethical or not) and leaving people with crippling bills.
Its all about the money not the actual provision of healthcare. | pretty much sums up the US, its all about the dollar, if you have dollars you will be laughing
as for the insurance, its the same here with house and car insurance, most play fair but theres allways those on the fringe who look for an out (thats how they can offer low premiums), normally the cheapest who of course the poorest people choose.
My brother in law and sister both emigrated to the US a few years back (at different times) and neither of them would come back to the UK for anything, there schools are alot better than ours as well now.
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16-08-2008, 9:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mrapbp Funny that our healthcare system sucks (underfunded etc etc) |
So you're saying £40 billion isn't enough?
Reason why our healthsystem sucks ain't the money it's the ridiculous levels of beaurocracy (sp) imposed by the Government and it's damn target setting
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I'm not 'saying' anything of the sort, and your probably right?
All I know is that my Mrs works herself to death for not much money and isnt able to give the kind of care she would like. Its her choice and she loves it but is sometimes hard to watch from the sidelines. Quote:
Originally Posted by Kebabhead So you're saying £40 billion isn't enough?
Reason why our healthsystem sucks ain't the money it's the ridiculous levels of beaurocracy (sp) imposed by the Government and it's damn target setting |
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16-08-2008, 10:05 AM
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I seen this a while ago and yes it is bad but Moore will have researched and found the worse cases possible. Micheal Moore is a idiot. The small amount of credibility he had went away when he made Fahrenheit 9/11.
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16-08-2008, 10:24 AM
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I disagree. Why shouldnt he find the worst case scenarios? I have also read many cases of similar ilk and my father who lives in the US has also told me of many similar cases also.
I doubt very much this is just isolated cases, if it was there wouldnt be making progess towards investigating a universal healtcare system. One part of the film really sank home.
In the US, Gps are given bonuses for not giving medical treatment and in here in the UK GPs are given bonuses for making peeps better. This is how it should be.
We should be proud of what we have and not complain.
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Originally Posted by CrossyX Micheal Moore is a idiot. The small amount of credibility he had went away when he made Fahrenheit 9/11. | First off, why is he an "idiot"? You'll get more truth out of him than you'll get from every politician in the world put together. Secondly, what was so flawed about Farenheit 9/11 that his "credibility went away"? Or was it just that he told the truth (again) and you didn't like it?
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"Truth" meaning "he affirms my own beliefs and prejudices"?
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Originally Posted by JonnyTester First off, why is he an "idiot"? You'll get more truth out of him than you'll get from every politician in the world put together. Secondly, what was so flawed about Farenheit 9/11 that his "credibility went away"? Or was it just that he told the truth (again) and you didn't like it? | 59 Deceits in Farenheit 911. http://www.davekopel.org/Terror/Fift...Election_Night
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16-08-2008, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JonnyTester First off, why is he an "idiot"? You'll get more truth out of him than you'll get from every politician in the world put together. Secondly, what was so flawed about Farenheit 9/11 that his "credibility went away"? Or was it just that he told the truth (again) and you didn't like it? | Where did i say i would get the truth out of politicians and goverments? They are as corrupt as anyone and please dont try and patronize me with "i dont like the truth" comments, i am more than capable of having my own views and opinions. That does not take away the fact the Moore twists ever story and plays on peoples emotions as he did in 911, asking a just dead soldier parents what did they think of the war etc and then encouraging them to go out protesting. He manipulates everything to his own views and opinions to make himself and his documentarys as controversial as possible so he can get himself in the lime light and spread his hate of the USA.
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