EU subsidy of bullfighting.

Mr Incredible · 07-07-2008, 3:42 PM

I didn't know this but, bull breeders in Spain receive a subsidy of about £200 for each bull they raise to fight and die in the ring. There is currently legislation before the EU Parliament to call for an end to the funding.

I say go further, and ban bull fighting altogether. What say you?

Sonic67 · 07-07-2008, 4:34 PM

Totally unnecessary. We don't have cock fighting, dog fighting, badger baiting or anything else anymore do we?

*oakie* · 07-07-2008, 4:46 PM

I dont think it needs to be banned altogether - just the killing / wounding of the bull that needs to be stopped.

krish · 07-07-2008, 6:38 PM

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Totally unnecessary. We don't have cock fighting ... do we?

Dave & Gordon

geomuss · 07-07-2008, 6:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonic67

Totally unnecessary. We don't have cock fighting, dog fighting, badger baiting or anything else anymore do we?

No keep it ...

It is part of Spain's heritage.
It attract vasts amount of tourists every year.

It would be like saying "lets get rid of the queen, its only our heritage, whats money got to do with it ?".

(Thought I better add a footnote, I actually think it should be banned as it is another barbaric sport, that is long past its sell by date.)

Sonic67 · 07-07-2008, 7:14 PM

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Originally Posted by geomuss

It would be like saying "lets get rid of the queen, its only our heritage, whats money got to do with it ?".

nheather · 08-07-2008, 7:20 AM

Whilst I don't agree with it personally, I think it should stay - it's part of the culture and I don't agree that government ministers sitting hundreds of miles away sould be able to change that.

I do object to contributing to it though. If the Spanish people think this part of their culture is so important (which I don't doubt) then they should be happy to pay for it. Besides from what I have seen it is quite a wealthy and well-attended activity so I really doubt they need that money - if they did, raising entrance fee by a euro or two would more than cover it.

Don't blame the farmers though. I suspect they have identified a loophole in the rules and are taking advantage of it, whether they need it or not - anyone else would do the same.

Cheers,

Nigel

crimsoneagle · 08-07-2008, 7:25 AM

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ahh thats put a smile on my face nice one sonic

Mr Incredible · 08-07-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by nheather

Whilst I don't agree with it personally, I think it should stay - it's part of the culture and I don't agree that government ministers sitting hundreds of miles away sould be able to change that.

I do object to contributing to it though. If the Spanish people think this part of their culture is so important (which I don't doubt) then they should be happy to pay for it. Besides from what I have seen it is quite a wealthy and well-attended activity so I really doubt they need that money - if they did, raising entrance fee by a euro or two would more than cover it.

Don't blame the farmers though. I suspect they have identified a loophole in the rules and are taking advantage of it, whether they need it or not - anyone else would do the same.

Cheers,

Nigel

I am not equating animals directly with humans, and no, I am not an animal libertarian, but I am equating the suffering of animals for human entertainment with the suffering of humans: it has no place in a civilised society, let alone subsidised.

If anyone thinks this is a part of culture, then I think they need to think again!

nheather · 08-07-2008, 10:42 AM

Just to clarify, I don't agree with it and I'm certainly not happy with the prospect of paying to subsidise it.

However, if the Spanish nation feel that it is an important part of their culture I don't think it is for other nations, who don't really understand the culture, to put a stop to it.

Stopping the subsidy is another matter - fully behind that one.

Cheers,

Nigel

*audionewb* · 08-07-2008, 10:53 AM

cruelty without purpsoe is wrong and humans do not have the RIGHT to decide if it is acceptable. many things in the past have been part of our culture but we got rid of them, just as this should be abolished. it has no place in any society.

Mr Incredible · 08-07-2008, 11:07 AM

Spot on.

nheather · 08-07-2008, 11:31 AM

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many things in the past have been part of our culture but we got rid of them, just as this should be abolished.

Agreed - but the key point is that WE got rid of them.

If it had been the Spanish insisting that we abolished Fox Hunting then the British public would have probably dug their heels in and told the Spanish where to go.

Cheers,

Nigel

Sonic67 · 08-07-2008, 12:09 PM

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Agreed - but the key point is that WE got rid of them.

If it had been the Spanish insisting that we abolished Fox Hunting then the British public would have probably dug their heels in and told the Spanish where to go.

Actually the point isn't that. The Spanish can get rid of bull fighting whenever they wish. However, should we as people paying into the EU be paying for it? It's the thread title.

kBm · 08-07-2008, 12:41 PM

No problems with closing the loopholes - its less money in the pot for UK farmers at the end of the day.

Bull fighting - i thought the bulls were reared with the nerves/ muscles in the neck removed or similar so they don't feel any pain when they stick the knifes in? (someone can correct if worng)

Besides, in the UK we have our own bloodsports -called Joey Barton Football!

Decadence · 10-07-2008, 6:49 PM

Could I set up a bullring in England? I think there'd be demand.

Mr Incredible · 10-07-2008, 7:09 PM

Birmingham beat you to it I'm afraid!

krish · 10-07-2008, 8:08 PM

have to set one up for cock fighting instead ... err what's it going to be called?

Mr Incredible · 10-07-2008, 8:39 PM

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