[la gran siete]

Can you imagine working for a company that has a little more than 600 employees and has the following statistics?


29 have been accused of spouse abuse
7 have been arrested for fraud
19 have been accused of writing bad cheques
117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
3 have done time for assault
71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
4 have been arrested on drug-related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting
21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
84 have been arrested for drink driving in the last year



Which organization is this? It's the 635 members of the House of Commons, the same group that cranks out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line.

[y2k]

Does that include members of Sinn Fein?

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by y2k

Does that include members of Sinn Fein?

Possibly the DUP as well

[y2k]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

Possibly the DUP as well

If it did include Sinn Fein members then I think that you have missed some things of your list because most of the Sinn Fein members that take up space in the commons have been in jail on serious charges including being caught with explosives, don't think many members of the DUP could say that.

[Noggin1980]

I'll tell you who you can't trust....

People posting idiotic things like this without even the slightest of fact checking.

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by y2k

If it did include Sinn Fein members then I think that you have missed some things of your list because most of the Sinn Fein members that take up space in the commons have been in jail on serious charges including being caught with explosives, don't think many members of the DUP could say that.

But one could say they fermented the hatred which ultimately led to the IRA ( as opposed to Sinn Fein)carrying out their crimes

[y2k]

Originally Posted by Noggin1980

I'll tell you who you can't trust....

People posting idiotic things like this without even the slightest of fact checking.

Like who me? out of the 4 Sinn Fein members that go to the house of commons, 3 of them have been in Jail they are Martin Mcguinness, Gerry Adams, Connor Murphy the only one that has not been in jail is Michelle Guildernew. Connor Murphy was in Jail for IRA membership and being caught red handed with explosives, Martin Mcguinness was caught with a huge car bomb and thousands or rounds of ammunition and admited to the court that he was a proud member of the IRA, on the other hand Gerry Adams is an angel, every time he has ended up in jail it was a miscarriage of justice even though for a time in the H blocks he was OC in charge of cage 11.

EDIT - Oh there is another member of Sinn Fein that takes space at the commons he would be Pat Docherty, don't know if he has been in jail or anything about him but it would'nt surprise me if he had been in jail being the vice president of Sinn Fein.

[Noggin1980]

Like who me?

Not you no. I should have quoted the person I was responding to sorry.

I was refering to the original post by LGS that was actually written 9 years ago about the American Congress and not about the UK House of Commons and for the most part it wasn't even true then.

[sim667]

Is that little gem actually true?

[Noggin1980]

Originally Posted by sim667

Is that little gem actually true?

Of course not! We have enough bitterness in this country due to the media misrepresenting many issues without people posting rubbish like this. It would have taken him seconds to put a line of it into a search engine and see the same thing written about America, Canada, India, etc.

[Fred Quimby]

People say the BNP are bad

[johnscarlet]

Originally Posted by Noggin1980

Not you no. I should have quoted the person I was responding to sorry.

I was refering to the original post by LGS that was actually written 9 years ago about the American Congress and not about the UK House of Commons and for the most part it wasn't even true then.

That's hilarious

[Decadence]

The last time I saw that information it was about the US Senate...

[njp]

Nicely documented here.

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by y2k

out of the 4 Sinn Fein members that go to the house of commons, 3 of them have been in Jail they are Martin Mcguinness, Gerry Adams, Connor Murphy the only one that has not been in jail is Michelle Guildernew. Connor Murphy was in Jail for IRA membership and being caught red handed with explosives, Martin Mcguinness was caught with a huge car bomb and thousands or rounds of ammunition and admited to the court that he was a proud member of the IRA, on the other hand Gerry Adams is an angel, every time he has ended up in jail it was a miscarriage of justice even though for a time in the H blocks he was OC in charge of cage 11.

EDIT - Oh there is another member of Sinn Fein that takes space at the commons he would be Pat Docherty, don't know if he has been in jail or anything about him but it would'nt surprise me if he had been in jail being the vice president of Sinn Fein.

time to move on. Sinn Fein is a legitimate political party

[city fan]

Originally Posted by njp

Nicely documented here.

LGS

Shame on you

And to think before I believed everything you posted.

I'll never be able to trust what you post again....

[Mr Incredible]

Don't feed the troll!

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by city fan

LGS

Shame on you

And to think before I believed everything you posted.

I'll never be able to trust what you post again....

Must admit it was sent to me in an email and being that so many in here like to slag off our politicians I thought I'd give them some more food to do so
Never chequed the veracity of it

[Mr Incredible]

Least you could do LGS is to amend your first post to warn people of the erroneous data.

[overkill]

Originally Posted by Mr Incredible

Least you could do LGS is to amend your first post to warn people of the erroneous data.

Good point. But then as LGS says, people are always posting rent a rant posts on here backed up by 'Daily Wail' 'statistics' so I suppose he thought why deviate from the norm?

[Fred Quimby]

Well well well,LGS caught posting porkies who would have believed it.

[Duncan G]

But there have been MP's convicted of criminal offences-Aitken-Harvey Proctor-
and MP's who have conducted affairs and more recently the MP who was paid for employing two son's as researchers when they did nothing.

The point is how far can you trust Politicians. Billy Connolly was right when he said anyone who expresses a desire to become an MP should automatically be banned from standing.

[y2k]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

time to move on. Sinn Fein is a legitimate political party

Thats debatable, im just after watching stormount live on the tv there now and yet another republican murder (October 2007) covered up by Sinn Fein/IRA. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7251897.stm

And every party apart for Sinn Fein put the blame on the IRA and guess who sinn fein blamed? diesel and petrol smugglers , the PSNI, Garda and the IMC also put the blame on members of the IRA whos political wing is Sinn Fein.

I know you believe that what you are saying is true so I will leave you to it, your not an Irish-American by any chance are you.

[overkill]

Originally Posted by Duncan G

But there have been MP's convicted of criminal offences-Aitken-Harvey Proctor-
and MP's who have conducted affairs and more recently the MP who was paid for employing two son's as researchers when they did nothing.

The point is how far can you trust Politicians. Billy Connolly was right when he said anyone who expresses a desire to become an MP should automatically be banned from standing.

Exactly.

One problem is that we (unlike the Irish, & the continentals come to that) put our politicians on a pedestal. Thus, when the inevitable happens, they fall that bit harder. No-one likes corruption, but when you compare the sort of dirty deeds that US, French, German and of course Irish leaders (hello mr Haughey) have got up to, our lot are playing at it!

Add in the fact that politics is still heavily linked to our antiquated and bizzare class system, the media who love to build up then knock down, and finally the British publics generally poor understanding of politics and you have a mixture that's led to the current miserable situation.

[overkill]

Originally Posted by y2k

Thats debatable, im just after watching stormount live on the tv there now and yet another republican murder (October 2007) covered up by Sinn Fein/IRA. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7251897.stm

And every party apart for Sinn Fein put the blame on the IRA and guess who sinn fein blamed? diesel and petrol smugglers , the PSNI, Garda and the IMC also put the blame on members of the IRA whos political wing is Sinn Fein.

I know you believe that what you are saying is true so I will leave you to it, your not an Irish-American by any chance are you.

It's not difficult to see what side of the fence you sit on either now is it? I may not like Sinn Fein, but I like the other side just as little. Their leaders have had dealings with terrorists, and many councillers are no more than the Unionist versions of Sinn Fien at local level. But we don't hear them being told they cannot take up their place at the table.

Frankly I'm glad that's so. NI needs peace, not bickering over who's done what.

Yes I agree totally that murderers should be brought to justice, and that politicians should not cover up for them, but then both sides do it and always have. Is the peace process to be scrapped while that issue is sorted out once and for all? Or do they move on and let the forces of law and order deal with it?

[y2k]

Originally Posted by overkill

I may not like Sinn Fein, but I like the other side just as little.

I agree, good and bad on both sides, other post deleted I will leave it at that before I get a ban.

[JonnyTester]

Originally Posted by y2k

Does that include members of Sinn Fein?

Sinn Fein don't take their seats in Parliament.

Originally Posted by y2k

If it did include Sinn Fein members then I think that you have missed some things of your list because most of the Sinn Fein members that take up space in the commons have been in jail on serious charges including being caught with explosives, don't think many members of the DUP could say that.

Sinn Fein don't take their seats in Parliament.

Originally Posted by y2k

Thats debatable, im just after watching stormount live on the tv there now and yet another republican murder (October 2007) covered up by Sinn Fein/IRA. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7251897.stm

And every party apart for Sinn Fein put the blame on the IRA and guess who sinn fein blamed? diesel and petrol smugglers , the PSNI, Garda and the IMC also put the blame on members of the IRA whos political wing is Sinn Fein.

I know you believe that what you are saying is true so I will leave you to it, your not an Irish-American by any chance are you.

Sinn Fein don't take their seats in Parliament.


Thankfully, we here in NI are moving away (albeit slowly) from this type of diatribe and are trying to pull ourselves kicking and screaming into the 20th Century. I suggest that you do the same.

The 21st Century is still outside of our grasp at the minute, but who knows what the future may hold. There have been wrongs done on all sides (and the DUP has it's fair share of ex-terrorists in it's ranks), everyone here recognises, or is beginning to recognise, that. What we do not need, however, is someone that thinks because they pull on a shirt of a team from one part of Glasgae or the other, that they have a right to drag everything constructive that we have achieved here down to their bigoted, sordid level.

[y2k]

Originally Posted by JonnyTester

Sinn Fein don't take their seats in Parliament.



Sinn Fein don't take their seats in Parliament.



Sinn Fein don't take their seats in Parliament.

I know you said it 3 times but I never said they take their seats in parliment, they have offices in parliment and they get paid a lot of money for going to parliment and have done since 2002. They only reason why they don't sit in westminster is because they won't swear on oath to the Queen but they were even trying to get it changed so that they would'nt have to. As I said before there is good and bad on both sides and its a lot better in this country now that there is peace and it has been like living in a normal country for a change.

[johnscarlet]

BAck on topic please gentlemen , thank you

[Setenza]

Getting back to LGS OP, since when do we need facts to establish that politicans are dodgy?