[la gran siete]

The medias own version of Alf Garnet with a public school accent seems to have quite a strong following. On Facebooks "Jeremy Clarkson should be Prime minister" numbers are 250k + believing him to be rightHitlers Brown shirts I asked myself?although I sometimes find him amusing I cannot stop feeling there is something rather insidious about him. Anyway here is my reply to his manifesto

1) yes of course lets encourage global warming and watch half the world submerge in water
2)abolish cricket one of the worlds fines team sports? ******!
3) end the special relationship - the one that has kept us free from communism and helped us win 2 world wars. Very clever that- not!I am not a great fan of the US but I am not stupid either
4)Ban health and safety . oh god it gets worse doesnt it. Years and years of striving to make the work place safer undone by an idiot
6)Remove speed cameras . I have a better idea lets make all cars so they cannot go faster than 80 mph and anyone caught speeding should be forced to run stark bollock naked on a major rd for a mile
9) bring back the stocks. yes I agree and let him test them out for a month. I'll be the first in the queue to chuck tomatoes at him.
10) end recycling, what a pillock!What with finite resources and a huge dumpsite problem the more I think about this cretin the more I'd like to see him perched in a rubbish tip.
13) ban diesel cars, actually no make all cars LPG and diesel until cleaner more fuel efficient alternatives can be found
14) end human rights. O f course humans shouldnt have rights , only property and wealth should have them.How's the wrist action Jeremy?
16)freedom to smoke - in your own cars fine Jerry But i like to breath fresh air myself
17) British independence- welcome to the new world you neolithic Little Englander
19) cyclists can be annoying but not as much as an twathead rampaging around in various gas guzzling carbuncles.
20) public executions - Are you first in the line to face the firing squad Jerry? oh good!

[RMCF]

I actually like Clarkson, mainly because he is quite funny at times. I do agree with some of the things he says on Grumpy Old Men, but I think he says a lot of stuff just to make a name for himself and get cheap laughs, whilst not actually believing it himself.

[Moosh]

I think he's a

However, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7174760.stm did bring a smile.

Cheers
Moosh

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by mmahmed

I think he's a

However, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7174760.stm did bring a smile.

Cheers
Moosh

Hoist by his own petard the arrogant twit

[Setenza]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

The medias own version of Alf Garnet with a public school accent seems to have quite a strong following. On Facebooks "Jeremy Clarkson should be Prime minister" numbers are 250k + believing him to be rightHitlers Brown shirts I asked myself?although I sometimes find him amusing I cannot stop feeling there is something rather insidious about him. Anyway here is my reply to his manifesto

1) yes of course lets encourage global warming and watch half the world submerge in water
2)abolish cricket one of the worlds fines team sports? ******!
3) end the special relationship - the one that has kept us free from communism and helped us win 2 world wars. Very clever that- not!I am not a great fan of the us but I am not stupid either
4)Ban health and safety . oh god it gets worse doesnt it. Years and years of striving to make the work place safer undone by an idiot
6)Remove speed cameras . I have a better idea lets make all cars so they cannot go faster than 80 mph and anyone caught speeding should be forced to run stark bollock naked on a major rd for a mile
9) bring back the stocks. yes I agree and let him test them out for a month. I'll be the first in the queue to chuck tomatoes at him.
10) end recycling, what a pillock!What with finite resources and a huge dumpsite problem the more I think about this cretin the more I'd like to see him perched in a rubbish tip.
13) ban diesel cars, actually no make all cars LPG and diesel until cleaner more fuel efficient alternatives can be found
14) end human rights. O f course humans shouldnt have rights , only property and wealth should have them.How's the wrist action Jeremy?
16)freedom to smoke - in your own cars fine Jerry But i like to breath fresh air myself
17) British independence- welcome to the new world you neolithic Little Englander
19) cyclists can be annoying but not as much as an twathead rampaging around in various gas guzzling carbuncles.
20) public executions - Are you first in the line to face the firing squad Jerry? oh good!

And someone could easily list all JC's points and answer them in the affirmative.

There is no right or wrong here. It's about public opinion.

Joe Public like JC co's to a lot of them, he speaks how they feel. He hates petty bureaucrats, and the perceived PC brigade. He feels that certain issues such as recycling and global warming have been over hyped and are therefore ambiguous.

He wants tough laws to protect the public. Regardless on your personal opinions LGS a lot of people would like to see the death penalty brought back and would HAPPILY pull the trigger themselves.

He wants the EU Human Rights act repealed because there is a consensus that it favours miscreants rather than the average man in the street.

What politicians and social pundits should do is look hard at what JCs appeal is and try to counters his proposals in a way that would win over the public, rather than just deride him.

In doing so they just show themselves as petty and looking threatened.

British politics is imploding in it's current state. People are fed up with the two party clones and the pointless (their view not mine) hanger on (you know which party I mean.)

Perhaps the way ahead is populist figures standing like the famous Martin bell anti-sleaze campaign.

Oh and I'm sure they'll be lots of people on here (God I can probable list them now, as I can hear their posting in my head as I type), who''ll argue against populist candidates, and how it's wrong to give the public exactly what they want, as it may offend the morals and whims or the intelligencia (hope I spelt that right).

The death penalty being the standard soap box

So LGS (sorry for being a bit bellicose today, but you have been giving it Charlie Potato) please write your manifesto and we'll just right it off arbitrarily.

[emporer]

I agree with most things JC says, he speaks alot more common sense than most if not all politicians and while it may not be everyones taste i'd much rather have him in charge than the current bunch of donuts.

[benbert]

After watching Love Actually clearly Hugh Grant should be in charge? No?

[Wild Weasel]

Originally Posted by emporer

I agree with most things JC says, he speaks alot more common sense than most if not all politicians and while it may not be everyones taste i'd much rather have him in charge than the current bunch of donuts.

Seconded.

Plus he annoys the hell out of the liberal shared brain cell, so earns a from me.

[Ed Selley]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

The medias own version of Alf Garnet with a public school accent seems to have quite a strong following. On Facebooks "Jeremy Clarkson should be Prime minister" numbers are 250k + believing him to be rightHitlers Brown shirts I asked myself?although I sometimes find him amusing I cannot stop feeling there is something rather insidious about him. Anyway here is my reply to his manifesto

1) yes of course lets encourage global warming and watch half the world submerge in water
2)abolish cricket one of the worlds fines team sports? ******!
3) end the special relationship - the one that has kept us free from communism and helped us win 2 world wars. Very clever that- not!I am not a great fan of the US but I am not stupid either
4)Ban health and safety . oh god it gets worse doesnt it. Years and years of striving to make the work place safer undone by an idiot
6)Remove speed cameras . I have a better idea lets make all cars so they cannot go faster than 80 mph and anyone caught speeding should be forced to run stark bollock naked on a major rd for a mile
9) bring back the stocks. yes I agree and let him test them out for a month. I'll be the first in the queue to chuck tomatoes at him.
10) end recycling, what a pillock!What with finite resources and a huge dumpsite problem the more I think about this cretin the more I'd like to see him perched in a rubbish tip.
13) ban diesel cars, actually no make all cars LPG and diesel until cleaner more fuel efficient alternatives can be found
14) end human rights. O f course humans shouldnt have rights , only property and wealth should have them.How's the wrist action Jeremy?
16)freedom to smoke - in your own cars fine Jerry But i like to breath fresh air myself
17) British independence- welcome to the new world you neolithic Little Englander
19) cyclists can be annoying but not as much as an twathead rampaging around in various gas guzzling carbuncles.
20) public executions - Are you first in the line to face the firing squad Jerry? oh good!

And with that you prove beyond reasonable doubt that you take absolutely everything far, far, far too seriously. Of the quarter of a million members, I'd be amazed if more than 5% would actually advocate the climate changer to be in a position of power. As XOD points out its one of the lighter hearted demonstrations of the dissatisfaction with modern politics- particularly amongst the younger generation.

By the way, I am a member of the group, "I judge you when you use poor grammar" which has in the past suggested that persistant offenders should lose their fingers one digit at a time. This doesn't mean I actually want you to be fingerless inside a week but I find the concept amusing.

Now lighten up.

[mij]

I like him as well

He plays to his audience but does say what a lot of people think.

I am with him regarding global warming, politicians have jumped on the ultimate band wagon and will use it to milk us dry. It is all the sun's fault.

The same with speed/revenue cameras, with stocks for petty crime, with smoking in your own car, I even agree with him on recycling, as it would not be necessary if the manufacturers/retailers were not so stupid.

Clarkson for PM

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by Ed Selley

And with that you prove beyond reasonable doubt that you take absolutely everything far, far, far too seriously. Of the quarter of a million members, I'd be amazed if more than 5% would actually advocate the climate changer to be in a position of power. As XOD points out its one of the lighter hearted demonstrations of the dissatisfaction with modern politics- particularly amongst the younger generation.

By the way, I am a member of the group, "I judge you when you use poor grammar" which has in the past suggested that persistant offenders should lose their fingers one digit at a time. This doesn't mean I actually want you to be fingerless inside a week but I find the concept amusing.

Now lighten up.

Oh Dear I have read it all now.Lol ! Me take things too seriously??That is precisely the one thing I dont do. Like Clarkson I like to spout my share of drivel mostly for effect. Unlike him I am not a highly successful media celebrity living in tax exile on the isle of Mann- good for him you might say.Now amongst all the drivel he and I also hold certain opinions, its just that his are diametrically opposed to mine. He is a libertarian ,the apostle of unrestricted car , a hang and flog 'em merchant who feels at liberty to pontificate about things that probably dont affect him directly, but do millions of others.If he was just a figure of fun I wouldnt have a problem with him but now and again he spouts crap that whilst it may attract the support of some, quite clearly irritates many others .I must say i find myself very much in the second camp particularly when he rails against bus lanes and congestion charges .Ditto when he states that public transport should be safety net for the poor so that motorists can be at liberty to rampage as they wish ignoring the ever increasing problems of congestion, road rage or polution.After watching last nights programme about traffic in London, school runs, 4x4,pedestrian and cyclist fatalities, I am more convinced than ever that this idiot should be suspended above a festering pool of vomit until he recants.
I have no doubt his utterances are done on purpose to keep him in the public eye . The fact he has Facebook group in his name would not only flatter him but ultimately increase his overinflated bank balance by a considerable margin so being popular/ unpopular would suit him nicely.

[The Dude]

Did you watch best of top gear the other night by any chance?

The bit where he said from an M5, an AMG E-Class, and a Range Rover... he'd choose the Range Rover, but only because it would 'annoy the hell out of the Bill Oddie brigade'

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by Xusia Of Delos

And someone could easily list all JC's points and answer them in the affirmative.

There is no right or wrong here. It's about public opinion.

Joe Public like JC co's to a lot of them, he speaks how they feel. He hates petty bureaucrats, and the perceived PC brigade. He feels that certain issues such as recycling and global warming have been over hyped and are therefore ambiguous.

He wants tough laws to protect the public. Regardless on your personal opinions LGS a lot of people would like to see the death penalty brought back and would HAPPILY pull the trigger themselves.

He wants the EU Human Rights act repealed because there is a consensus that it favours miscreants rather than the average man in the street.

What politicians and social pundits should do is look hard at what JCs appeal is and try to counters his proposals in a way that would win over the public, rather than just deride him.

In doing so they just show themselves as petty and looking threatened.

British politics is imploding in it's current state. People are fed up with the two party clones and the pointless (their view not mine) hanger on (you know which party I mean.)

Perhaps the way ahead is populist figures standing like the famous Martin bell anti-sleaze campaign.

Oh and I'm sure they'll be lots of people on here (God I can probable list them now, as I can hear their posting in my head as I type), who''ll argue against populist candidates, and how it's wrong to give the public exactly what they want, as it may offend the morals and whims or the intelligencia (hope I spelt that right).

The death penalty being the standard soap box

So LGS (sorry for being a bit bellicose today, but you have been giving it Charlie Potato) please write your manifesto and we'll just right it off arbitrarily.

i am fully aware he attracts a certain kind of person. Fine as it stands because even at 300k their numbers are small, but if you were to be right and the political system was imploding( I have to say I dont agree a all)coupled with social and economic meltdown that would offer the perfect conditions for extremists to flower and plunge the country into a new darkness - think Hitlers Brown shirts .
I could offer an altrenative manifesto of my own but by doing so i might be giving some credence to his own which I do not wish to do as its just full of negatives- the usual ******** about EC , hanging, harsh sentences for criminals ,doinmg away with health and safety rulingsIn no way does he offer anything positive regarding the NHS ( not surprising as he doesnt use it)education or the thousand of things that affect peoples lives. Instead we are entreated to a load of of reactionary nonsense.
I can well understand people feeling fed up but i believe thats more to do with the way we lead our lives ,our workplace and our homelife . The lack of a sense of community, the constantly striving for bigger and better- materialism gone crazy, family breakdowns etc.We would do well to learn from other nations. In France two hour lunch breaks are common giving people a chance to interact without work pressures.Just one example.If one lives in a village there then being involved in the community is crucial whilst over here isolationism seems to be so common.Anyway i could go on.I am not saying life in France is necessarily superior but they do to certain things better than us and we would do well to open our minds, rid ourselves of any Little England nonsense, ignore the rants of idiots and try to move forward in a positive fashion.

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by The Dude

Did you watch best of top gear the other night by any chance?

The bit where he said from an M5, an AMG E-Class, and a Range Rover... he'd choose the Range Rover, but only because it would 'annoy the hell out of the Bill Oddie brigade'

yes thats amusing but I have far more respect for Oddie than him

[andykn]

Originally Posted by The Dude

Did you watch best of top gear the other night by any chance?

The bit where he said from an M5, an AMG E-Class, and a Range Rover... he'd choose the Range Rover, but only because it would 'annoy the hell out of the Bill Oddie brigade'

And this is why you shoudn't vote for populist twits.

Of the three the Range Rover's environmental impact in terms of emissions and pollution is not particularly worse than the other two; as an anti motorist device it is far worse. It can't easily be seen through on a busy motorway, takes up two parking spaces in busy residential streets and can't be as easily passed on a narrow street or country lane.

Way to be anti-social to other motorists, JC.

And it would help if he were more specific as to exactly which clauses of the 1950 European Convention on Human Rights he doesn't like.

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by andykn

And this is why you shoudn't vote for populist twits.

Of the three the Range Rover's environmental impact in terms of emissions and pollution is not particularly worse than the other two; as an anti motorist device it is far worse. It can't easily be seen through on a busy motorway, takes up two parking spaces in busy residential streets and can't be as easily passed on a narrow street or country lane.

Way to be anti-social to other motorists, JC.

And it would help if he were more specific as to exactly which clauses of the 1950 European Convention on Human Rights he doesn't like.

It was interesting watching that tv prog last night about a particular part of london that suffers heavy congestion, loads of road rage and the huge number of 4x4s contributing to the problems particularly during the school run.One muppet only had to drive 400 yards to get his kids to school
Clarkson champion of the idiot class!

[The Dude]

If we stopped voting for populist twits, our whole democracy would collapse.
I could get myself elected with the 7 votes from my mates.


Lighten up ladies... we're all nobodys, and he's just a TV presenter.

Imagine the furore if Christopher Biggins came out with such 'brown shirted' opinions!


It not a real political manifesto LGS, he's not actually running for parliament.... it was really all just a bit of fun.

Though in your eyes he's a 4x4 driving Nazi, who 'attracts a certain kind of person'....
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.


I'd get some wine opened, before it's too late!

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by The Dude

If we stopped voting for populist twits, our whole democracy would collapse.
I could get myself elected with the 7 votes from my mates.


Lighten up ladies... we're all nobodys, and he's just a TV presenter.

Imagine the furore if Christopher Biggins came out with such 'brown shirted' opinions!


It not a real political manifesto LGS, he's not actually running for parliament.... it was really all just a bit of fun.

Though in your eyes he's a 4x4 driving Nazi, who 'attracts a certain kind of person'....
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.


I'd get some wine opened, before it's too late!

i know that Dude but he still succeeds in irritating me as he does many others. I just can help but feel there is something insidious about him. 4x4 Nazi indeed

I'll leave my wine drinking till tonight

[la gran siete]

One final rant
If Clarkson wants respect then he has got to change his tune, stop promoting sodding great ugly lumps of metal on wheels that cause countless fatalities and , instead,encourage people to drive responsibly running fuel efficient small cars like the Ford Fusion. He should stand on a soap box and scream against the use of 4x4s in urban areas, instruct mothers to put their brats on buses and encourage more people to use public transport instead of cluttering up the roads with their pointless cars.H e should also be required to cycle to wherever he works. If he were to do all that then i would accept his humour but I wont hold my breath as he has stated on many occasions he wouldnt use buses and trains because of BO .Hence my suggested pool of vomit cure for him

[Ed Selley]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

One final rant
If Clarkson wants respect then he has got to change his tune, stop promoting sodding great ugly lumps of metal on wheels that cause countless fatalities and , instead,encourage people to drive responsibly running fuel efficient small cars like the Ford Fusion. He should stand on a soap box and scream against the use of 4x4s in urban areas, instruct mothers to put their brats on buses and encourage more people to use public transport instead of cluttering up the roads with their pointless cars.H e should also be required to cycle to wherever he works. If he were to do all that then i would accept his humour but I wont hold my breath as he has stated on many occasions he wouldnt use buses and trains because of BO .Hence my suggested pool of vomit cure for him

Pretty much all of that hovers between trite or outright dumb but the bit in bold is grade A1 stupidity. The Fusion is tall and lumpy and has the aerodynamics of a sledgehammer. It is less efficient than a Fiesta and even some of the Focus range according to the figures. Its also as desirable as a sexually transmitted disease.

Besides, that is what Clarkson is. In the same way I don't expect Mark Thomas to sudddenly start understanding that it doesn't matter how many "amusing" shows he does that the world works on the principle that something is worth what somebody is willing to pay for it. It doesn't mean I don't find him funny on occasions.

[Decadence]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

One final rant
If Clarkson wants respect then he has got to change his tune, stop promoting sodding great ugly lumps of metal on wheels that cause countless fatalities and , instead,encourage people to drive responsibly running fuel efficient small cars like the Ford Fusion. He should stand on a soap box and scream against the use of 4x4s in urban areas, instruct mothers to put their brats on buses and encourage more people to use public transport instead of cluttering up the roads with their pointless cars.H e should also be required to cycle to wherever he works. If he were to do all that then i would accept his humour but I wont hold my breath as he has stated on many occasions he wouldnt use buses and trains because of BO .Hence my suggested pool of vomit cure for him

I like 4x4...they are comfortable, luxurious, spacious and give great visibility over the top of other cars. I also think that they look very nice too. Buses smell, go too slow, are not frequent enough, have riff raff on them and do not stop anywhere near where you want them to. I only use ones at the Park and Ride infrequently and if I don't have much to buy. Trains are not great public transport either, they are unreliable, way too expensive and uncomfortable.

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by Decadence

I like 4x4...they are comfortable, luxurious, spacious and give great visibility over the top of other cars. I also think that they look very nice too. Buses smell, go too slow, are not frequent enough, have riff raff on them and do not stop anywhere near where you want them to. I only use ones at the Park and Ride infrequently and if I don't have much to buy. Trains are not great public transport either, they are unreliable, way too expensive and uncomfortable.

Due to bus lanes buses are more frequent than they use to be and are now a quicker form of transport during busy periods.
4x4 s maybe roomy nice to drive etc but they also cause numerous fatalities and injuries because of their size which is why more and more people are railing against their use in urban areas . Kids getting hit by them dont stand a chance- its curtains. Getting them out of cities and into the country is a must IMO

[andykn]

Originally Posted by Decadence

I like 4x4...they are comfortable, luxurious, spacious and give great visibility over the top of other cars. I also think that they look very nice too.

You pay for their great visibility in increased liklehood of the thing rolling over in an accident.

The only 4x4 I've been in recently, a Jeep Cherokee, had much less legroom on the back than my 2001 3 door Astra.

[city fan]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

Due to bus lanes buses are more frequent than they use to be

Bus Lanes, something else that should be banned. A whole lane empty, whilst I queue up in traffic aarrrgghhh

Cycle lanes, another waste of money. Speed humps, I should sue for damage to my suspension. Rant...rant.

All power to the Clarkson

[Setenza]

All my predictions about this thread have come true

LGS, you should have been born several centuries ago and been an Inquisitor. Recant indeed

Don't you like other people having opinions. even if you think there silly and wrong?

You really have been trolling a bit recently What is it? Spring fever

andykn
Re: Clarkson for PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
Did you watch best of top gear the other night by any chance?

The bit where he said from an M5, an AMG E-Class, and a Range Rover... he'd choose the Range Rover, but only because it would 'annoy the hell out of the Bill Oddie brigade'
And this is why you shoudn't vote for populist twits.

Actually, I like the idea of Chris Biggins getting all "Daily Mail" and bombastic. That would be great to see of Question Time

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by Ed Selley

Pretty much all of that hovers between trite or outright dumb but the bit in bold is grade A1 stupidity. The Fusion is tall and lumpy and has the aerodynamics of a sledgehammer. It is less efficient than a Fiesta and even some of the Focus range according to the figures. Its also as desirable as a sexually transmitted disease.

Besides, that is what Clarkson is. In the same way I don't expect Mark Thomas to sudddenly start understanding that it doesn't matter how many "amusing" shows he does that the world works on the principle that something is worth what somebody is willing to pay for it. It doesn't mean I don't find him funny on occasions.

looking at these figures it looks pretty good to me
1.4 Duratorq TDCi (68 PS) Euro IV 122 combined 61.4 mpg
1.6 Duratorq TDCi (90 PS) Euro IV 119 combined 70.6 mpg
Mte of mine bought one after hankering for a Merc for years he had an attack of common sense . Reckons its excellent. Does everything one wants reliably ,economically and with reasonable comfort.It would certainly do me as well when the time comes.A purely practical vehicle which should be a role model for many others,
Clarkson , as i have stated, can be amusing but what he stands for and what he promotes ie unfettered car culture ,render him an irritant.

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by Xusia Of Delos

All my predictions about this thread have come true

LGS, you should have been born several centuries ago and been an Inquisitor. Recant indeed

Don't you like other people having opinions. even if you think there silly and wrong?

You really have been trolling a bit recently What is it? Spring fever





Actually, I like the idea of Chris Biggins getting all "Daily Mail" and bombastic. That would be great to see of Question Time

of course I dont mind, thats what this thread is for( plus the odd asinine comment)

[andykn]

Originally Posted by Xusia Of Delos

All my predictions about this thread have come true

It was more of an invitation.

And if you got held up where you live as much as I do by unecessary (I live in Inner London) 4x4s you'd hate them with the passion I and most other road users do.

[Setenza]

Originally Posted by andykn

It was more of an invitation.

And if you got held up where you live as much as I do by unecessary (I live in Inner London) 4x4s you'd hate them with the passion I and most other road users do.

I was held up by Mexican bandits several years ago, but I don't hold a grudge against Mexicans per se.

[Ethics Gradient]

Originally Posted by Xusia Of Delos

I was held up by Mexican bandits several years ago, but I don't hold a grudge against Mexicans per se.

Aye, funny isn't it, comming from Mr Down-with-oppression

That because something causes him inconvienance, he 'hates' them all.

For gods sake don't tell him that in the vast majority it is women driving them taking the kids to school, or he'll pop a blood vessel