Another disgusting sentance for bus killer Anthony Joseph

[avinitski]

It seems every month there is a case that hits the headlines that shocks me, not the crime that was originally committed but the crime of what i see as very lenient sentencing.

news story

7 years....is that all....even if this scum bag serves all his sentence in full he will be out by the he is 30, apparently he had been released from a young offenders institute literally hours before he murdered the guy on the bus, someone like me or you, or a brother or a friend, just an average guy going about his business standing up to a punk like Anthony Joseph.

i dont care if the prisons are full, build more, i dont care if it costs me more through tax or what ever people like Anthony Joseph should be locked up and i personally happy to be charged more so we can keep him locked up.

if i was close to the victim i cant imagine the shock of hearing the killer only got 7 years, knowing that would really hurt me, knowing by the time he is 30 he will be out, sick, very upsetting, what use is he to society, he had a long history of crime probably starting from petty crime and rising to what i see as the ultimate unforgivable crime of murder.

[Lezman]

Broadmoor is a mental institution as well- its a bleeding cake walk compared to prison.

I should know- my dad used to play cricket against the inmates within the walls!

[andykn]

Originally Posted by avinitski

lenient sentencing.

news story

7 years....is that all....

Apparently not. Seems to say "indefinte period" and "maximum security".

Not trying to scare us are you?

[loz]

Originally Posted by avinitski

7 years....is that all....

Where does it say 7 years?

[avinitski]

The news story has been changed 7 minutes after i posted, maybe someone with power read it and was disgusted and made a phone call lol

it defo said 7 years i swear.

[andykn]

Originally Posted by avinitski

The news story has been changed 7 minutes after i posted, maybe someone with power read it and was disgusted and made a phone call lol

it defo said 7 years i swear.

I believe you.

I believe that Sky News try to look good by not second sourcing stories before they publish so they can get them out first. They then look good to those who know no better.

The sentence in this case is predicated on the fact that the man is ill, not evil. You may disagree with that verdict, but without full access to the evidence and the training education and experience to judge psychiatric conditions it's difficult to judge for ourselves.

[avinitski]

also the word murder has been replaced with manslaughter.

[avinitski]

Originally Posted by andykn

I believe you.

I believe that Sky News try to look good by not second sourcing stories before they publish so they can get them out first. They then look good to those who know no better.

The sentence in this case is predicated on the fact that the man is ill, not evil. You may disagree with that verdict, but without full access to the evidence and the training education and experience to judge psychiatric conditions it's difficult to judge for ourselves.

true, but he murdered someone, murder, stabbed in the heart, dead, no one will ever see him again, ill or not he should be locked away.

some people argue that paedophiles are ill too, just the way the brain is wired, its like some people have different fetishes, some people like women in heels lets say, some people like getting dressed up, some people like bondage, some people like their own sex, its not necessarily that they choose to be into different fetishes\tastes is just their brain telling them this, and some peoples brains are wired so they like kids, as wrong as it is some people are like that, suppose it could be the same with murderers too.

[Kieron]

When cases like this are so clear cut, with witnesses and cctv evidence, plus the admission of the crime then I'm all for capital punishment returning.

Why even bother keeping people like this alive. What purpose do they serve to humanity?

[Duncan G]

Originally Posted by Kieron

When cases like this are so clear cut, with witnesses and cctv evidence, plus the admission of the crime then I'm all for capital punishment returning.

Why even bother keeping people like this alive. What purpose do they serve to humanity?

Capital punishment did not apply to those who were mentally ill nor did it apply in cases of manslaughter.

[andykn]

Originally Posted by avinitski

true, but he murdered someone, murder, stabbed in the heart, dead, no one will ever see him again, ill or not he should be locked away.

some people argue that paedophiles are ill too, just the way the brain is wired, its like some people have different fetishes, some people like women in heels lets say, some people like getting dressed up, some people like bondage, some people like their own sex, its not necessarily that they choose to be into different fetishes\tastes is just their brain telling them this, and some peoples brains are wired so they like kids, as wrong as it is some people are like that, suppose it could be the same with murderers too.

The law says he killed someone but iot was not murder because he was mentally ill.

Paedophiles, like the rest of us, have the ability to make a choice - the law says that this man was incapable of making the correct choice.

Originally Posted by Kieron

When cases like this are so clear cut, with witnesses and cctv evidence, plus the admission of the crime then I'm all for capital punishment returning.

Why even bother keeping people like this alive. What purpose do they serve to humanity?

The same purpose any other person to ill to contribute meaningfully to society. As we civilise we decide to care for the broken members of our society and not reject them.

And an indefinite stay in Broadmoor is not a cushy number. He could be incarcerated for far longer than many murderers who have killed for greed.

On the wider subject of Capital Punishment, I recommend "Billy Austin" by Steve Earle, says it all far better than I can.

[avinitski]

Originally Posted by andykn

"Billy Austin" by Steve Earle, says it all far better than I can.

is that a song? book? just googled him and he seems to have done a few different things.

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by Duncan G

Capital punishment did not apply to those who were mentally ill nor did it apply in cases of manslaughter.

Originally Posted by andykn

The law says he killed someone but iot was not murder because he was mentally ill.

It's a cracking "get out of jail card" isn't it...

[avinitski]

Originally Posted by andykn

The same purpose any other person to ill to contribute meaningfully to society. As we civilise we decide to care for the broken members of our society and not reject them.

are you religious? serious question.

[avinitski]

Originally Posted by Kieron

It's a cracking "get out of jail card" isn't it...

i too would pretend to be crazy if i did something totally mental lol

edit : haha 'mental'....get it?