Watching midsommer Murders. Made me wonder in real life when the criminal gets arrested. Goes to prison. Gets sent down for 25 years. Say the person single. Lives in a house has a mortgage owes £6,000 on their credit card, water rates purchase on the car. Council tax. The house its self the garden up keep. Feeding the dog. What happens to this all ?Do you owe it when you come out cant pay and get put back in prison again.

intrigued to say the least?

Lis@~~

[Woodywizz]

Got something to tell us Lisa

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by lisa burrell

Watching midsommer Murders. Made me wonder in real life when the criminal gets arrested. Goes to prison. Gets sent down for 25 years. Say the person single. Lives in a house has a mortgage owes £6,000 on their credit card, water rates purchase on the car. Council tax. The house its self the garden up keep. Feeding the dog. What happens to this all ?Do you owe it when you come out cant pay and get put back in prison again.

intrigued to say the least?

Lis@~~

Spent 3 hrs in a police station jail. Does that count?

hadnt done anything wrong mind . Just being interrogated thats all

[dBrowne]

I suppose the sensible thing would be to liquidate your assets and invest in something maintenance-free. That, or sell everything you own to a family member for a penny, ignore your debts and declare bankruptcy.

As a side question, do you have to pay council tax as a prisoner?

[Pat_C]

Originally Posted by dBrowne

As a side question, do you have to pay council tax as a prisoner?

Only if you have a three bedroom cell with an en-suite I believe.

[Phil57]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

Spent 3 hrs in a police station jail. Does that count?

hadnt done anything wrong mind . Just being interrogated thats all

No smoke without fire........................................:gri n:..

[mjn]

Originally Posted by dBrowne

As a side question, do you have to pay council tax as a prisoner?

Even if are supposed to pay it, what they gonna do if you don't? Put you in jail?

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by Phil57

No smoke without fire........................................:gri n:..

wasnt nice I can tell youbeing grilled.

[Daddy k]

some debts get wiped off.

some get frozen. i cannot temember which ones. but its anything to bank thats the opposite tot the rest if hat makes scence.

if you have your own company then your laughing if you go to a cat d prison as you can carry on doing your normal job. in your van etc saving lots of money into an account, while costing the tax payers lots of money

[PoochJD]

Hi Lisa,

The following information is NOT from personal experience, but from a friend of a friend of a friend o fmine. However, it is genuine, and might help answer your question. Okay, the scenario generally goes, something like this:

Person commits a crime, and gets caught.
Criminal gets interviewed by police
Criminal either admits guilt or pleads innocence.
More investigation is undertaken by police, to back-up their case against the criminal.
For the sake of argument, criminal pleads guilty, and let's say that they are a first-time offender. Criminal will probably be given Bail, until police complete their investigation.
(Up to this point, the duration of events can be a month or two, to upwards of a year. )
Criminal is (eventually) called to court. Criminal pleads guilty.
Court usually adjourns for a couple of months, to wait for completion of police report and/or a psychiatric report (if they think you've got a few marbles loose, or think that you may have extenuating circumstances as for why you committed the crime.
Court recovenes, reads the reports and sentences you. For the sake of argument, court gives you 12 months in prison, for whatever reason. You get taken by the police straight-away. No chance to make arrangements to sort out anything. No chance to say goodbye to family or friends. You get taken to the prison cell, at the court, until the prison transporter comes to take you (and maybe a few others) away to the relevant prison, where you start your sentence immediately.

If the criminal, in this example, has a rented house, but is unemployed, then normally, they will usually upon arrival at prison, have to fill-in various forms notifying the local council that they are in prison for X months/years, and the council normally pays the rent and council tax on the property until you are released. If you have a job, you will probably be sacked, unless you have a very forgiving boss, in which case they may keep your position open, but unpaid (obviously) until you return.

If you have a mortgage, you would need to notify your mortgage advisor, and inform them of what has happened. Alternative arrangements would need to be made between the mortgage holder and the mortgage company to either defer payments, or arrange for payments to be made, on your behalf.

The applies with any debts or other payments you have: you would have to contact the various companies, whilst in prison, and notify them of what has happened, or get someone to do this on your behalf (acting by proxy).

Trust me, when I say that prison is not fun or easy! Having been a "visitor" to see someone I know serving in a prison, I can assure everyone that the cells aren't cosy, nor pleasant. Most prisoners (short-term offenders of less than 12 months) do not have X-Boxes or TV's in their cells, and you are usually only allowed to have a maximum of five books or magazines/comics of your own, in your cell at any one time. (Books can be sent in or out of the prison, but these will be vetted by the prison staff for content and suitability, so even some magazines will be restricted or banned, and this can include stuff like FHM or Maxim being banned, depending on the content of a particular issue.)

The average day in prison consists of:

7:45am - woken up by prison guards (and a head-count is taken)
8:00am - breakfast (cereal or maybe bacon and eggs), eaten in cells
8:45am - prisoners who get lessons/education classes get to go to these, everyone else is locked-up until later in the morning.
9:00am - lessons start
10:30am - 15 minute "recess" in exercise yard for everyone not in lessons.
11:45am - everyone returns to cells, who is not already there. (Head-count taken)
Noon - lunch, again eaten in cells.
1:00pm - activitys take place, which might be a visit to the prison library, or simply being able to visit other prisoners on your cell/wing. (Cells are normally unlocked for the afternoon, so that inmates can move about inside their own wing. Prisoners may be allowed to make phone calls home, using old-style BT phonecards, with all phone calls monitored.)
4:00pm - back in cells, locked up, and headcount taken
4:15pm - afternoon "recess" for 30-minutes taken outside in exercise yard (or some prisoners may be allowed to go to a prison gym)
4:45pm - prisoners all locked-up again in cells.
5:00pm - teatime, eaten in cells. (Headcount taken)
6:00pm - prisoners are free to go see a film (pre-vetted by the prison officers) in a specific room (with prisoners sitting on the floor, or those plastic orange chairs you may have had at school). Otherwise, you stay in your cell.
7:45pm- prisoners return to cells, and headcount in taken
8:00pm - locked-up for the night, until 7:45am next morning!

That's the average day, for a low-risk, first-time prisoner! Only the prisoners serving long-sentences have access to games consoles, and these are usually limited to a couple of hours a day. (All consoles have a device fitted by the prison staff to them, to restrict when they can be used, and for how long! They can also be revoked at any time, and will not be returned to a prisoner, until he or she completes their sentence.)

And, despite what the Tabloids would have you think, most prisoners do NOT have access to their own TV's. The reality, is that a prisoner who has been on "good behaviour" can accrue the right to "hire" a TV, with money being paid from any work they may do whilst in prison. (Usually about £2 a week to rent the set.) However, any work you may undertake (cleaning a prison wing, the showers and toilers, laundry, helping the prison officers, Samaritans Duty, working in the library or prison church perhaps) is paid at a rate of maybe a few pennies per day! It gives a whole new meaning to cheap labour!

So, there you have it! I hope it has proved informative for some of you. Every prison has its own sets of criteria about how it operates, who gets to use TV's, radios or consoles, so not everywhere is the same, but the information I've posted above, was the experience of the person I knew.


Pooch
(NOT a convict, honest Guv'nor!)

[la gran siete]

and some people call them holiday camps

[mjn]

Originally Posted by PoochJD

7:45am - woken up by prison guards (and a head-count is taken)

Wish i could roll out of bed at 7.45am.

Thank you pooch for your input there very informative.

Going slightly further Must be really strange for a lifer who say dose 40 years been put away in 19 Hundred and bacon and eggs and gets released into a world that has changed so dramatically from the style of the cars to building that have gone up and of course been knocked down. Imagine being put away before decimalisation then been realesed 40 years after. Imagine the change there notice in music alone.

Are prisoners prepared for such happenings inside or is it a great big shock like stepping out into a new world.

I can not see any problem anyone on hear saying they been inside there out they paid for there crime. So why not talk about this subject. even its just stops another person from maybe going down that road. It surely worth it.

Lis@~~

[Pat_C]

Originally Posted by mjn

Wish i could roll out of bed at 7.45am.

So do I. They probably leave a newspaper outside the cell door too.

Out in the exercise yard at 4am I say

[mjn]

Originally Posted by Pat_C

So do I. They probably leave a newspaper outside the cell door too.

Out in the exercise yard at 4am I say

Yeah, and make them exercise in the rain, and mud.

[dognosh]

Originally Posted by lisa burrell

Thank you pooch for your input there very informative.

you do know ,even though he pleaded otherwise, that poochJD was a very famous lag ?
(Pooch Jail Daddy) who ran his prison as the don

[dBrowne]

The routine sounds better than boarding school.

[Daddy k]

for the record prison is easy!

so easy it annoys the hell out of me!

all prisoners have excess to tv upon arrival. so long as you pay the pound a week from your money you get for being locked up.

you loose the tv for bad behavior when you are put onto what they call basic regime.

tvs and consoles can be used as long as you want.

your only allowed consoles if you on enhanced regime

for record theres basic standard and enhanced.

yeah the cells are not all comfy but more than addequate. iv been in new and old prisons. from victorian ones aka winston green/birmingham prison to new prisons to old air bases where you still stay in the old air fields billets in hmp kirkham.

but they are all fine with a tv in your cell. oh and kettle in winston green.

some prisons your out working many different jobs from pepper picking. making mail sacks.making the little white glue sticks you use at school. cooking.cleaning.processing of chicken fillets to be sold in shops. down to outdoor work like cutting the green on golf cources and tons of other stuff. some pisons are what they technically class as 23 hour lock up however that 1 hour your out is actually consumed by walking to collect you dinner and evening meal then back to cell to eat it.

im fully reformed and spent over 4 years in total from the age of 15 in young offenders right up till i was 23.

i wish i could be in charge of the prison system as believe me id make it so different all the kids of today etc bragging of their asbos would be so scared theyd never even give an innocent passer by a dirty look

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by Daddy k

i wish i could be in charge of the prison system as believe me id make it so different all the kids of today etc bragging of their asbos would be so scared theyd never even give an innocent passer by a dirty look

Whatever you do dont apply for the post then. If nothing else the prison has worked for you if you are reformed as thats one of its main purposes

[Daddy k]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

Whatever you do dont apply for the post then. If nothing else the prison has worked for you if you are reformed as thats one of its main purposes

thats just the problem. it wasnt prison that done that. it was my own greed that done that after seeing some nice appartments.

prison played no part of my rehabilitation.

even now prison does not bother me. the biggest deterent now other than my new found common scense is my partner and kids and my personal possesions iv now worked my ass off for legally lol. but lots of criminals dont have much to loose so they have no reason to worry.

trust me prison is pointless. its a break from grafting for lots of criminals.

and a thing i also remembe myself an everyone else thinking and saying whenever we was ever locked up with and had to wait in police cells then wait in court cells was hope they hurry up so we can get to a cell in prison and chill!

dont get me wrong some people may find it hard. but anyone that can get on with people are covered. and any carreer criminals who wouldnt think twice of breaking into you house while your asleep and stabbing you if you awake knows the officers other inmates and its a home away from home.

this is all a direct feeling of the prison system from me direct. not some public spin. no political correctness or worrying about the rights of prisoners this is how it is.
more power to prison officers. police officers and the public when they see or try to catch a criminal

vote daddy k in next elections and receive a free can of whoop ass to unleash on the next person commiting crime you see

[PoochJD]

Hi,

DaddyK - your experience of prison/young offender institutes is obviously more recent than my friend of a friend of a friend's was, so I'll bow to your knowledge on this matter. However, I still think that prison is definitely NOT easy, unless we're talking about the kind of criminals who are cold-hearted S.O.B's. with absolutely no respect for anyone or anything. I'd like to think, though, that for those people who do have some remorse for what they did, that prison can work for them.

Dognosh - You wrote:

Originally Posted by dognosh

you do know ,even though he pleaded otherwise, that poochJD was a very famous lag ?
(Pooch Jail Daddy) who ran his prison as the don

I'd just like to point out to everyone, that during the entire time I was Don Pooch, Senor Dognosh was my b***h, 24/7... And he loved it, too!

Touche, Dognosh!


Pooch
(Dognosh's master... for life! )

[bongo123]

An old friend of mine got "sent down" (i had do) for 9months and apart from the loss of freedom he found it a complete walk in the park, hes a real party animal social type of guy so he immediately got on with the in group of more hardcore types and they basically spent the majority of their time getting wasted, playing pool, getting more wasted and watching TV in fact he said it was easier getting drugs inside than it was outside!? and knows that the prison system is absolutely no deterrent to the average criminal / scumbag, it is a deterrent to the likes of you and i but not them.

Also i work in the building industry and we recently done a young offenders institute and everyone and i mean everyone in the office was completely appalled at the building/amenities these scum where gonna be getting sent to, it a had a fully equipped gym, swimming pool, I.T. suite, games room etc it was like a mini bloody hotel, i couldn't believe it was a place to send scumbags for punishment when reviewing the plans, any wonder the UK is steadily being associated with out of control crime, i know id continue to commit crime and be a bastard if i got caught and was being sent to a fecking 5star hotel, bloody ridiculous..

[PoochJD]

Bongo,

You said:

Originally Posted by bongo123

i know id continue to commit crime and be a bastard if i got caught and was being sent to a fecking 5star hotel, bloody ridiculous..

There's just one thing: there's no guarantee you will be sent to a local prison, which might be "cushy". You could end up being sent to a complete hell-hole, where playing find-the-soap is a thrice-daily, compulsory (nay, mandatory) activity.. and that's just with the prison officers!

But in all seriousness, you may find that you get to start your sentence in one prison, which is tolerable, only to find out - without much warning - that you are being moved to somewhere far less desirable. Personally, I wouldn't want to commit any crime where that might happen to me. Some prisoners get moved three or four times, before they are "settled down" into their final prison, where they will complete their sentence(s)!


Pooch

[kingfats]

Yes,i have!
But i was only visiting my mum.

[bongo123]

Originally Posted by PoochJD

Bongo,

You said:



There's just one thing: there's no guarantee you will be sent to a local prison, which might be "cushy". You could end up being sent to a complete hell-hole, where playing find-the-soap is a thrice-daily, compulsory (nay, mandatory) activity.. and that's just with the prison officers!

But in all seriousness, you may find that you get to start your sentence in one prison, which is tolerable, only to find out - without much warning - that you are being moved to somewhere far less desirable. Personally, I wouldn't want to commit any crime where that might happen to me. Some prisoners get moved three or four times, before they are "settled down" into their final prison, where they will complete their sentence(s)!


Pooch

Yeah i hear ya, my mate was moved twice but found that in both cases it was a walk in the park, as for the young offenders institute, i don't care if they are model fecking crims they should never ever be placed in that unit, its beyond a joke. If i was a lord of all of the UK our prison system would resemble something worse than from the book "the damage done" i'd make the 80's Thailand's prisons seem like a walk in the park, all this country needs is a zero tolerance policy coupled with an opt out of the human rights charter and a prison system to scare the ******** out of even the most hardened SAS member, then crime might start reducing, until then as my mate said if he continued his ways he wasn't that fussed if he got caught as it "weren't that bad"...

[bongo123]

This ones for DaddyK/Pooch, did you find any of the prisons in the UK to have any of that "pick up the soap" caper? we used to tease my mate about it but over here that sort of carry on is a serious no no seeing as the majority of inmates are hardened terrorists and any sign of gayness would probably result in a beating to death, heck they used to let the prisoners practically run the cell blocks as long as they kept in line and didn't cause to much hassel, hence why they all got drunk and wasted every day with no repercussions...

Thanks everyone who has wrote in so far. Very informative reading.

May i ask maybe the guys who say prison is a joke would like to answer me this thought. You know when we read through the news pages and we are horrified Saudi Arabia chops their limbs of. and other middle eastern countries have there other ways of dealing with these people. When we read about these sentences the do good element hear throw there arms up in horror say "you can not do this" But what we have to remember is that not everyone is the victim of crime and these people that are waving there arms in there air saying no no you can not do this have never had a crime committed against them. They have no idea of what it feels like to been robbed or been raped or lose someone through crime.

Tell me what would your initial reaction be if someone broke in to your house stole your Av system im sure you mutter words we all think. If i caught him i would chop there hands of. Surly whether you think its right or wrong.

Makes you wonder whether these countries no something we dont and have the right idea. But i see that dose not even stop them.
I read somewhere China shoots them in the back of the head.
What do you think they should do if prison dose not work. remember people are very adaptable and Sadly get used to anything

At a push we get used to anything. So what ever ideas we may come up with. People would take what ever handed out in there stride. I do not think it would matter a hoot to them what you did to them. Have a feeling thats why they shot them Do you?

Anyway sorry i do not want to turn my own thread into crime and punishment but it dose make you think. I Am listening too.

My original reason for starting this was I try and think beyond and much deeper than i am seeing. When i see people arrested sent to prison. I am thinking well wait a moment up to the moment the judge gives sentence. That person had some sort of life. They could have kids bills to pay and every facet of life you can come up with. What happens to all that.

Thank you for those who been so revealing about your personal lives so far and answering my questions. Most interesting.

Lis@~~

[dognosh]

Originally Posted by PoochJD

I'd just like to point out to everyone, that during the entire time I was Don Pooch, Senor Dognosh was my b***h, 24/7... And he loved it, too!
Touche, Dognosh!
Pooch
(Dognosh's master... for life! )

[bongo123]

We are far to soft on criminals of any age, I'm all for hangin em, shootin em or submitting them to medical research, this is for murders/rapists/pedos for all others I'm for 23hrs a day in a cube with a black and white telly playing educational shows all day.

I would be one harsh motherfecker and if anyone protested about the human rights of the prisoners, they'd be thrown in the cell next to them for breaching the peace, prey i never get elected.

[Duncan G]

Originally Posted by PoochJD

Hi Lisa,

The following information is NOT from personal experience, but from a friend of a friend of a friend o fmine. However, it is genuine, and might help answer your question. Okay, the scenario generally goes, something like this:



If the criminal, in this example, has a rented house, but is unemployed, then normally, they will usually upon arrival at prison, have to fill-in various forms notifying the local council that they are in prison for X months/years, and the council normally pays the rent and council tax on the property until you are released. If you have a job, you will probably be sacked, unless you have a very forgiving boss, in which case they may keep your position open, but unpaid (obviously) until you return.


Pooch
(NOT a convict, honest Guv'nor!)

Now the rent stops if you are inside for more than 13 weeks. It used to be that the rent was paid for up to a year, but no longer.

The Prison authoritys are also supposed to inform the DSS when a benefit claimant is sent down, a guy I know was on Incapacity Benefit when he was sent down and the Prison failed to inform the DSS. His incapacity Benefit carried on in payment while he was inside. He had a nice sum waiting on his release.