[imightbewrong]

Don't know if this has been done before but someone was talking to me about it at the weekend and it sounds crazy but that there might be something behind it. I'm not saying it's true or not - there a few hits on Google but not many. I'm going to present it here as it was explained to me:

When your name is put on your birth certificate, it is put on in all upper case (JOHN SMITH). This might not look significant, but apparantly this make you a corporate entity, legally speaking. This means, among other things, that the Government can raise debt against you (issue guilts) knowing that you will pay it back to them via various taxes over the course of your lifetime.

Now, if you have your name put on in normal case (John Smith) then you are not a corporate entity but a 'soverign person'. This means, among other things that (this is where it gets crazy) the rule of law does not apply to you! You don't have to pay income tax (and possibly any tax), you can't be tried in any court except the high court, and you have the right to trial by jury for any crime. These are essentially the same rights the Queen has.

This all sounds very far fetched but he is going through the process and has got a lower case birth certificate (which took quite a bit of effort) and passport for his new child.

Was wondering if anyone else had heard of this crazyness?

[johntheexpat]

I'm old enough to have a hand-written birth certificate, so what does that make me?


On second thoughts, don't answer that, please.

[mjn]

I also have a hand written birth certificate, i can't remember if its lower or upper case though, but will be checking.

[Pat_C]

Originally Posted by imightbewrong

This means, among other things that (this is where it gets crazy) the rule of law does not apply to you! You don't have to pay income tax (and possibly any tax), you can't be tried in any court except the high court, and you have the right to trial by jury for any crime.

If you are above the law then why would you ever be tried in any court?

[Pat_C]

Originally Posted by mjn

I also have a hand written birth certificate, i can't remember if its lower or upper case though, but will be checking.

I have too - in mixed case (surname in upper case). I expect this means that I can break some laws, and should only pay half my income tax.

Odd that such valuable benefits have been concealed from us all these years

[Geofbob]

A so-called "Birth Certificate" is in fact a "Certified Copy of an Entry of Birth". So, if there were any truth to the OP's suggestion - and I don't think for a moment that there is - it would almost certainly apply to whether upper or lower case was used in the original entry in the Register of Births, not the copy of that entry. Therefore, in order to check whether or not one were "above the law" one would have to inspect the original entry. I guess (a) that such inspection is very difficult; and (b) would cost quite a large fee. So perhaps this myth is being put about by the Treasury to drum up some extra income from gullible members of the public.

[Adam Shaw]

Originally Posted by Pat_C

If you are above the law then why would you ever be tried in any court?

If someone is above the law, does this mean that they operate 'outside' the law, and are they covered or protected by the law?

If not, can one beat/rob/murder them without breaking the law?

[Geofbob]

Originally Posted by Adam Shaw

If someone is above the law, does this mean that they operate 'outside' the law, and are they covered or protected by the law?

If not, can one beat/rob/murder them without breaking the law?

To give the OP's friend his due, he didn't actually suggest that anyone was completely above the law, but simply that they had the right to be tried before a Jury. Incidentally, I don't see where the tax-free status comes in, since even the Queen pays tax (though possibly not enough) these days. But perhaps, unlike the OP's friend, she hasn't taken the trouble to get herself a lower case Birth Certificate.

[Mr Incredible]

Sounds like a candidate for the best Urban Myth list.

[Pat_C]

Originally Posted by Geofbob

To give the OP's friend his due, he didn't actually suggest that anyone was completely above the law, but simply that they had the right to be tried before a Jury.

Not even when he wrote the following?

Originally Posted by imightbewrong

This means, among other things that (this is where it gets crazy) the rule of law does not apply to you!

[imightbewrong]

Originally Posted by Geofbob

I don't see where the tax-free status comes in, since even the Queen pays tax (though possibly not enough) these days. But perhaps, unlike the OP's friend, she hasn't taken the trouble to get herself a lower case Birth Certificate.

But the queen pays tax voluntarily - she has paid income tax and capital gains tax since 1993.

[Pat_C]

Originally Posted by Adam Shaw

If not, can one beat/rob/murder them without breaking the law?

I would suggest probably not

[Pat_C]

Originally Posted by imightbewrong

But the queen pays tax voluntarily - she has paid income tax and capital gains tax since 1993.

Doesn't she only pay basic rate income tax, and only on some of her income though?

[imightbewrong]

Originally Posted by Pat_C

Doesn't she only pay basic rate income tax, and only on some of her income though?

I believe she pays normal income tax all all income after expenses. Can't find a specific reference either way though.

[Mr Incredible]

This is a proposition which David Icke subscribes to.
http://planetquo.com/The-Law-Is-An-A...-Made-Of-Straw