[Paul_HDLover]

Im I the only one who finds this an appaling story? I doubt it.

The boy hasn't been arrested, presumably because of his age and neighbours descibe him as 'mischievous' but not 'bad'.

I think his mother should be arrested for clearly not explaining / demonstrating the most fundamental learning point for any child. What that boy must have been thinking for this to be his only option, stabbing someone, demonstrates enormous parenting problems. Either that or psychotic behaviour. If its the latter, id expect for him to spend a large part of his life in jail.

Age cant be used as an excuse for this.

This country is going to the dogs.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...256218,00.html

[JagoPlasma]

god the scousers grow em young nowadays

*ducks*

and yes it is appaling and that child should be atleast taken away from its mother IF it cant be proven that the mother was under attack.... still the kid could of called the police

did the mum even try to stop him?

[Jenn]

The women often argue when they've had a drink

[fortean]

Originally Posted by Paul_HDLover

Im I the only one who finds this an appaling story?

I doubt it. I'm also sure you're not the only one that will jump to all sorts of conclusions based on very little information either.

Try looking at it from the child's point of view. He only needs to believe his mother is in danger for him to become very frightened. At 9 years old I saw my mother get in to a heated argument with someone and it certainly shook me up. In fact it was only because of my screaming that they stopped fighting.

[Paul_HDLover]

Originally Posted by fortean

I doubt it. I'm also sure you're not the only one that will jump to all sorts of conclusions based on very little information either.

Try looking at it from the child's point of view. He only needs to believe his mother is in danger for him to become very frightened. At 9 years old I saw my mother get in to a heated argument with someone and it certainly shook me up. In fact it was only because of my screaming that they stopped fighting.

But did it cross your mind to get a knife out and plunge it into the person cross your mind? On the assumption that it never, i'll also make the assumption that your not a psychopath. I think this is a fair conclusion.

On the other hand, this lad....well, your right to say the information isnt available to come to a valid conclusion, however im simply saying no matter how scared anyone is stabbing someone in a non life threatening situation is not acceptable. A child should know this through effective parenting.

[Pat_C]

Originally Posted by Jenn

The women often argue when they've had a drink

I expect that a suitably trained mind could distil from that a potential solution

[fortean]

Originally Posted by Paul_HDLover

But did it cross your mind to get a knife out and plunge it into the person cross your mind?

Perhaps if it had happened in the kitchen and there was a knife in view or I had a knife in my hand because I was using it then it's possible I would have used it in such a way. It didn't happen in those circumstances though.

Reading the story made me think how the child may have felt. Did he think his mother was being attacked or in danger. I don't know the answer to this question so I can draw no conclusion.

[Mr Incredible]

Originally Posted by JagoPlasma

god the scousers grow em young nowadays

Are you Boris Johnson?

[overkill]

Originally Posted by Paul_HDLover

Im I the only one who finds this an appaling story? I doubt it.

The boy hasn't been arrested, presumably because of his age and neighbours descibe him as 'mischievous' but not 'bad'.

I think his mother should be arrested for clearly not explaining / demonstrating the most fundamental learning point for any child. What that boy must have been thinking for this to be his only option, stabbing someone, demonstrates enormous parenting problems. Either that or psychotic behaviour. If its the latter, id expect for him to spend a large part of his life in jail.

Age cant be used as an excuse for this.

This country is going to the dogs.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...256218,00.html

It is very sad, and without knowing all the facts, very worrying that a child should feel the need to attack someone with a knife. However, he may well have seen his mother threaten people with one, he may have just done it to defend his mother from an abusive drunk (friend or not) as someone else said. We just don't know.

It is not proof either way, one incident in the whole of Britain, with a population of over 60 million, that it's 'going to the dogs'. I must take issue with this as it's a pervasive attitude that's being pushed on us by a cynical media who constantly highlight isolated incidents like this as 'proof'.

But, if you keep saying it, keep believing it, it will happen.

I also doubt this is the first time a child has violently used a knife at that age, in this era, or any other for that matter. Christ, two of my best friends in my youth, two brothers, from the age of 13 used to go at each other with knifes, throw bottles (full ones) at each other and we just used to leave and let them get on with it. It's a miracle they got beyond 20. But they did.

[pixelated]

If only all conclusions to cases could be decided by what's on Sky News!

[Pat_C]

Originally Posted by Stuart Kirby

If only all conclusions to cases could be decided by what's on Sky News!

Exactly. Everyone knows that you also need to consider the in-depth analysis and thought-provoking insight offered by GMTV

[Paul_HDLover]

Originally Posted by overkill

It is very sad, and without knowing all the facts, very worrying that a child should feel the need to attack someone with a knife. However, he may well have seen his mother threaten people with one, he may have just done it to defend his mother from an abusive drunk (friend or not) as someone else said. We just don't know.

It is not proof either way, one incident in the whole of Britain, with a population of over 60 million, that it's 'going to the dogs'. I must take issue with this as it's a pervasive attitude that's being pushed on us by a cynical media who constantly highlight isolated incidents like this as 'proof'.

But, if you keep saying it, keep believing it, it will happen.

I also doubt this is the first time a child has violently used a knife at that age, in this era, or any other for that matter. Christ, two of my best friends in my youth, two brothers, from the age of 13 used to go at each other with knifes, throw bottles (full ones) at each other and we just used to leave and let them get on with it. It's a miracle they got beyond 20. But they did.

If you think for 1 minute that this incident alone makes me think this country is going to the dogs - your very wrong. Take this incident and add it to some of the following:

Priest killed
Children Shot
10 year old crack dealers
Teenagers feel unsafe walking streets
Inside Extremists out to kill us after all Britian has done for them
Highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe
Anti social behaviour rife

+ many many more.

Perhaps that qualifies my thinking more clearly for you.

[fortean]

Originally Posted by Paul_HDLover

If you think for 1 minute that this incident alone makes me think this country is going to the dogs - your very wrong. Take this incident and add it to some of the following:

Priest killed
Children Shot
10 year old crack dealers
Teenagers feel unsafe walking streets
Inside Extremists out to kill us after all Britian has done for them
Highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe
Anti social behaviour rife

+ many many more.

Perhaps that qualifies my thinking more clearly for you.

I can see why you come to your conclusions Paul but perhaps you are reading too much in to these events.

Priest Killed = Man Killed - Why is his job important?
Children Shot = Children Killed - This has always happened
Highest Teenage Pregnancy Rate in Europe = Other European Countries Make it Easier to Get The Pill
Anti-Social Behaviour Rife = People Less Tolerant of Others Behaviour

These examples are just a different way of interpreting the headlines. When I think about the events over my life time that happened locally or were significant national events I really don't see a significant difference. If I add in events of a type I wouldn't have heard about 30 years ago then it does look like things are getting worse. The thing is, 30 years ago in Cheshire I may not have heard about a 10 year old drug dealer in Essex as it wouldn't have been reported locally and may not have made the national news.