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Old 17-01-2007, 6:56 AM   #1
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Returning to the country I was born in

This february I return once again to Argentina, my excitement increasing as the days go by. When I first went back 3 years ago I felt a bit like a kid which of course I was when I emigrated to the UK all those years ago. I visited the barrio where I spent my childhood and the school where I did my años. Both have changed remarkably but my house and the street I lived on have been transformed to such an extent I could barely recognise them. What was once a fairly humble neighbourhood is now quite upmarket. One sombre note, though, was the presence of guards on every corner. It seems kidnappings are a bit of a problem which made me feel sad.
I didnt want to go with any critical feelings and dont wish to now prefering to look for positives but if there is one thing I dislike is the extent of poverty out there and the gap between rich and poor which to me is unacceptable. Beggars abound everywhere- mothers carrying children, handicapped individuals and several elderly people with outstretched hands. Its too depressing for words. Its one of the things that make me feel relieved I live in the Uk for that would not be tolerated here.We have a welfare programme which means people dot have to fall through the safety net. Apart from that my experiences have been nothing but positive.

My own cultural change? . I have lived so long here that I talk like a Brit and live like one. Going back I try to remember things as they were but realise that it is pointless as much is different. Better to be just as I am - a curious ingles with some argentino in him absorbing the atmosphere round him. My family out there speak to me in English although I do have some second cousins I have never met who only speak Spanish.
I dont have any great sense of patriotism prefering to see myself as a citizen of the world. Nationalistic sentiments I find both distasteful and rather scary.As a child my attitude was very different, though, for I felt a great sense of pride in being Britiish. I would look at a world atlas and marvel at all the pink areas that comprised the Empire. History books had a certain fascination but only those which involved "my country"Debacles like the loss of the American colonies, 1066, and whatever other miltary defeat we may have suffered, I saw as major irritants which I yearned to put right.Thankfully I lost that patrioterismo within the first few years of living here.
I felt no sense of superiority towards Argentines at all and dont wherever I go for that is disrespectful and insulting in my view not to say delusional. I always try to adopt a humble attitude when I go there particularly as I find Argentines so simpatico and generous.I find arrogance a particularly unpleasant human attribute.Human beings make all sorts of judgements of each other which are usually very shallow.
I cannot say my attitude changed much over all the time I spent there. Maybe I have been lucky as I experienced nothing that would make feel anything but pleased to be there.There was one occasion which was somewhat alarming when my wife and I were being taken back to the airport and the cab driver insisted on telling me he was once a marine and that if he had been posted to the Falklands that war would have gone much longer.I tried to humour him as much as possible.
Naturally my experiences were different every time I went there particulalry as I visited very different locations each time From a highly cosmopolitan Buenos Aires,to a humid tropical Iguazu, to the breathtaking serenity of the lake district perched beneath snow covered mountains, to the arid mountains and indigenous culture in the north West and the awesome maginitude of the glaciers right to the south of Patagonia. Each offered something very different.
This time my destinations are Mendoza, Salta the Humahuaca carnival and of course BA. I take two friends with me and I very much hope they will share in my enjoyment. I still have desire to visit Santiago del Estero for there is where my grandmother spent her childhood. Her first languages were Spanish and Quechua because she had been raised by an indigenous maid.
Sometims I think it would be nice to have a small pied'a terre there to stay in.Mmm maybe one day. Trouble is its so far from here. The journey there takes all of 16 hrs
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Re: Returning to the country I was born in

In my experience travelling around, those that have the least wealth are usually the most generous and kind people.

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Is it a one way flight LGS?
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Re: Returning to the country I was born in

Have a nice trip

I assume it's a holiday
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Yes it is
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Is it a one way flight LGS?
i'll be back to haunt you dont you worry
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Have a great time, and keep safe. Say hi to Tetlee if you see him!
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Have a nice one LGS.


Daerve:- It'd be boring without you anyway.

LGS:- No it wouldn't.

Daerve:- Yes it would.

LGS:- No it wouldn't.
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Old 17-01-2007, 3:52 PM   #9
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Have a good trip LGS.......but who will stick up for the downtrodden whilst you are away???? :-)
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Enjoy
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Old 17-01-2007, 4:13 PM   #11
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Any chance you could take your mate Ken with you?

Seriously though, have a great trip
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Any chance you could take your mate Ken with you?

Seriously though, have a great trip
Russel? oh you mean Livingston. He'd be showing me all the different species of newts out there Nah!
actually I wont be leaving till the 10th so I shall be a pain round here a while longer
Just thought I'd share my nostalgia and sense of excitement

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Have a good trip LGS.......but who will stick up for the downtrodden whilst you are away???? :-)
I will pass that privilidge on to you
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Have a good trip LGS.......but who will stick up for the downtrodden whilst you are away???? :-)


Hope you have a really good trip LGS

P.s. - any chance you could bring me a side of beef back with you

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Old 17-01-2007, 8:55 PM   #15
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May your holiday be a safe & pleasant one.
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Re: Returning to the country I was born in

Your OP was a very literate and thoughtful post, and was a pleasure to read.

I don't know you, but I am sure you will have a great time - take some photos and post them here- it sounds like a wonderful country - it better be, as your post has ''bigged it up innit''

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I will pass that privilidge on to you
well OK, I'll give it a go
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Hope you have a really good trip LGS

P.s. - any chance you could bring me a side of beef back with you
Live or dead?
actual;ly TYesco are selling some decent argie steak - sirloin is the best. Stick it in the fridge for three or four days before grilling as it will become more tender.
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Your OP was a very literate and thoughtful post, and was a pleasure to read.

I don't know you, but I am sure you will have a great time - take some photos and post them here- it sounds like a wonderful country - it better be, as your post has ''bigged it up innit''

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I will but you have to excuse me being a tinsy bit biased
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Re: Returning to the country I was born in

'Live' implies you have a private jet.

Do you?
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actual;ly TYesco are selling some decent argie steak - sirloin is the best. Stick it in the fridge for three or four days before grilling as it will become more tender.
Sorry to go OT but you should never buy meat(or veg) from a supermarket, get everything else then pay a trip to your favourite butchers & grocers . Not only does the quality improve you are also more likely to buy local produce.

Don't forget to have a great time!

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Sorry to go OT but you should never buy meat(or veg) from a supermarket, get everything else then pay a trip to your favourite butchers & grocers . Not only does the quality improve you are also more likely to buy local produce.

Don't forget to have a great time!
i agree for the most part but Argie beef isnt local I have a very fine butcher who is also very reasonable
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'Live' implies you have a private jet.

Do you?
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capitalist pig
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