[Garrett]

Just read in the paper today about some people that clubbed a 10 day old tiger club to death just so they could stuff (taxidermy) it and sell it. The poor cub was totally helpless and would have not been able to see.
There are according to the article only 5000 tigers left in the wild, yet they are still being killed for trophies and Chinese medicine.

Well I’ve news for you, poachers are an other life form and are spawn of demons and their ground bones make you live a long healthy life.

So you now know what to do.

[sbowler]

It beggers belief that this still happens.

[overkill]

As we don't give a stuff about our own species it's no surprise we give even less about our wildlife. Life is precious, no matter what life. Very few understand that.

[drunkenmaster]

What is it with these low life forms??. Dont they understand once all the (any animal) becomes extinct, then their income and banal health cures will diminish with it??

[Emulous]

Let us not forget the narrow minded scum that buys the lifeless stuffed 'trophy'.Without the buyer there is no market.

[domtheone]

Originally Posted by overkill

As we don't give a stuff about our own species it's no surprise we give even less about our wildlife. Life is precious, no matter what life. Very few understand that.

Aint that the truth.

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by drunkenmaster

What is it with these low life forms??. Dont they understand once all the (any animal) becomes extinct, then their income and banal health cures will diminish with it??

They probably go on to other life forms like lions, etc till they wiped out and then some other class till there gone. Or may be some rare plant, trouble is in the future it may have been found that they would have found a cure from them that would say destroy cancer, aids etc.

As to the buyers their fuel for the slaughterers, probably have the low IQ if I don’t buy it someone else will, rather than if no one buys it the trade stops.

[Jonstone]

It is terrible but then are we all so innocent ourselves?

How many of us actually pay attention to what we are buying, where it comes from and how it was made?

How many of us have products in our homes that have been produced at the expense of the natural habitat of some species that are now threatened because of it?

Most of the problems in the world and the threat of extinction for endangered animals are more down to the destruction of their habitat than Chinese medicine producers.

I'm not preaching as I am as bad as anybody, but I think a more fundamental shift in our outlook is needed if we are to address some of these problems

[la gran siete]

This is always an emotive issue but i ask why are we prepared to eat animals that have been reared in the most barbaric conditions imaginable , slaughterd when under stress( yes they can smell death especially pigs) and then packaged in such a way that the pieces of meat dont remind they were once sentient beings?Why do we become sentimental about some animals but not others.As OK said life is life.
I agree poachers are scum but should we not change our eating ways and insist on better animal husbandry?

[Steven]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

Why do we become sentimental about some animals but not others

Because some we eat and others we cherish like our own children because they're cute... to be blunt

[Garrett]

I can see your point and see this going down the lane of farming rather than poaching.

But to answer some of them points albeit not a solution.

The animals we eat that you mention are replenishable there is no danger of them going extent. I also hope there is no killing of 10 day old youngsters just to satisfy someone’s vanity to have a nice ornament. Although I believe the practice of rearing veal meat is not the nicest of things.

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

Because some we eat and others we cherish like our own children because they're cute... to be blunt

Yes well they are called pets ..... to be equally blunt . I am talking about people getting worked a up about certain animals like , in the wild :elephants tigers etc which are poached ,those that are killed for sport, or some farmed animals like veal an geese in France.

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by Garrett

I can see your point and see this going down the lane of farming rather than poaching.

But to answer some of them points albeit not a solution.

The animals we eat that you mention are replenishable there is no danger of them going extent. I also hope there is no killing of 10 day old youngsters just to satisfy someone’s vanity to have a nice ornament. Although I believe the practice of rearing veal meat is not the nicest of things.

but surely if we are going to adopt a moral stance then how we raise our farmed animals is equally important. I dont think we shopuld just be selective just beacue there so much cattle pigs and chicken around. They have rights just as any wild animal has. At the end of the day it comes down to our insatiable desire for cheap meats as well as the vanity of some.

[Ian J]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

At the end of the day it comes down to our insatiable desire for cheap meats.

Which to put another way means that most people couldn't care less.

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by la gran siete

but surely if we are going to adopt a moral stance then how we raise our farmed animals is equally important. I dont think we shopuld just be selective just beacue there so much cattle pigs and chicken around. They have rights just as any wild animal has. At the end of the day it comes down to our insatiable desire for cheap meats as well as the vanity of some.

As I said I can see this going down a farming lane (and not to his house etc), the threads about poaching animals to the point of extinction or very soon in to extinction and that they don’t even spare the blind and defenceless.

If you like to make a moral stand on farming please start a thread on it, and it has been debated before.

[la gran siete]

Originally Posted by Garrett

As I said I can see this going down a farming lane (and not to his house etc), the threads about poaching animals to the point of extinction or very soon in to extinction and that they don’t even spare the blind and defenceless.

If you like to make a moral stand on farming please start a thread on it, and it has been debated before.

what I am saying is you cant divorce the two issues nad I am not making a moral stand for ie most people I also eat farmed meat therefoore o=it woulod be hypocriticak for me to do so. I simply make the oservation that whilst on the one hand I am as repulsed by the poacher actions as you are I think sometimes we could be accused of double standards.

[Reign-Mack]

people only care because the baby tiger looks kind of cute.

[overkill]

The point Garrett is making, is that yes, while we do farm animals, these men are hunting wild animals to the point of extinction. While I agree wholeheartedly that we should pay more attention to farming methods, and animal husbandry, that is something we have time to do something about. With the poaching of big cats however, that is something we do not have time to do something about, and these morons that hunt them neither care nor spend any time worrying about it and will hunt them down to the last. Like the farmers they can only see profits.

As someone else said, the dumb thing is they are literally killing the Golden Goose. Once these species have gone, they aren't coming back. There are also few species left that are worth poaching. There are not many other species they can turn too. Thus, in the short term, never mind the long, they are killing their own market......

What sickens me most of all, is the way govts not only turn a blind eye to poaching of endangered species, and poor farming methods, but that they, as with Japan and Norway, cynically lobby to keep commercial interests happy at the expense of our dwindling populations of rare creatures.

Yet they were happy to claim how 'green' they are at Kyoto.

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by Reign-Mack

people only care because the baby tiger looks kind of cute.

Obvious wind up

[Hi-Def]

i do get the arguement about eating animals which have been mass farmed and kept in crappy conditions but there are many which are now changing for the better and i try to buy meat which people tell me has been produced in this way rather than in 10cmx10cm cages

about the tiger this is very obviously cruel as the cub was so so young and also there are just so few of this great animal left in the wild - the fact is that there is a trade for this stuff so theres always someone greedy enough to supply it.

If caught they should be skinned alive or stuffed to be put on display