[Miyazaki]

Massaoui, the only convicted terrorist in conjunction with the 11/9 attacks receives life imprisonment instead of the death penalty.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/03052006/32...gets-life.html

As long as he gets life, I feel that this is far more appropriate, and makes a distinction between the West, particularly America and these mindless terrorists,.

[GBDG1]

The whole principle of law rests on the idea that "you cannot do this because we don't", this principle is undermined by the death penalty. Therefore it should never be used.

[Reign-Mack]

Anybody see Penn and Teller Bull**** its a new series not sure if they are showing it over here yet but that did an Episode on The Death Penalty, and did one of the world trade center just this week.

[krish]

Originally Posted by Games Guru

As long as he gets life, I feel that this is far more appropriate, and makes a distinction between the West, particularly America and these mindless terrorists,.

agree, but it was a very close run thing (and The Whitehouse was hoping for the death penalty) and atypical of Bush's America

[Carl Stock]

Originally Posted by Games Guru

As long as he gets life, I feel that this is far more appropriate, and makes a distinction between the West, particularly America and these mindless terrorists,.

I agree, Games Guru.

[Ed Selley]

Originally Posted by krish72

agree, but it was a very close run thing (and The Whitehouse was hoping for the death penalty) and atypical of Bush's America

Sort of. What interests me is that the penalty was not decided against as such but because there wasn't a consensus of opinion of the big tenet of the prosecution case- which does when viewed unemotively appear a little tenuous.

One thing I am confident of is that Massaoui has come across as a weak willed and not desperately intelligent individual. Denied "martyrdom" (a word I detest) I cannot see him being intellectually up to achieving anything further from a prison cell in Colorado.

[Nick_UK]

Originally Posted by Games Guru

Massaoui, the only convicted terrorist in conjunction with the 11/9 attacks receives life imprisonment instead of the death penalty.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/03052006/32...gets-life.html

As long as he gets life, I feel that this is far more appropriate, and makes a distinction between the West, particularly America and these mindless terrorists,.

The Americans would never have allowed the death penalty for this man, because they knew that his death would have made him a martyr, and that was never going to happen.

If you believe what the media tells you about 9/11 then this is good news - they have got one of the bad guys - brilliant.

However, there is a disturbingly accurate documentary called 'loose change' which I would recommend watching which might just change your mind.
Link below:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change
You may have to download google video player before you can download the movie but it's only small and the film's worth it.

[Nick_UK]

Yes, I've seen it, and it is very disturbing. It's one of the top videos on Google video.

Indeed - It's also a film which (once watched) makes this arrest seem all the more absurd.

[Nick_UK]

Well it has been alleged that some of the terrorists named for the 9/11 attacks are still alive, which can mean only one thing - they were never on the planes in the first place.

[Philly112]

Originally Posted by leverger_co_uk

Indeed - It's also a film which (once watched) makes this arrest seem all the more absurd.

I have watched it, and it is hogwash.

Phil
Edit - sorry, I was mistaken. I have just checked this video and I have not seen it. I saw another one called '911 In Plane Site'. And that one is hogwash.

I hope no one is going to tell me that the link above talks about bombs in the WTC, planes being shot down by missiles, planes landing safely when they have been reported to have crashed etc etc

Hogwash - such a good word.

Interesting, I was all gung ho about catching bin laden and all the terrorist scum-suckers in the world before watching it and now, having seen the 'loose change' film, I am not so sure - it really affected me to the point of changing my whole outlook on the 9/11 proceedings.

I'm interested to know what makes you say it's 'hogwash'? I thought it raised some incredible viewpoints and conclusions.

[Philly112]

Well, if you see my post above, you will see that I was mistaken about watching it, but I assume it is similar to the one I have seen.


I honestly don't have the time or knowledge to deal with all aspects of 9/11 conspiracy theories.
I just sometimes wish that instead of searching google for, say '9/11 conspiracy', people would maybe look at '9/11 conspiracy debunked' or something.

Phil

[Mr.D]

Death penalty is a bad thing for two reasons.

Its decreed by a judicial system setup by human beings and anythign created by human being is nevver 100% infallible.

Killing the perpetrator of a crime destroys any possibility of atonement , reconciliation , realisation , understanding or anything remotely positive being salvaged from an already terrible situation. It achieves nothing , which is the worst possible outcome.

[krish]

Originally Posted by leverger_co_uk

...documentary called 'loose change' which I would recommend watching which might just change your mind.....
....You may have to download google video player before you can download the movie but it's only small and the film's worth it.

Better quality avi torrent available of "Loose Change 2nd Edition" ("898.1 MB", XviD codec)

[Nick_UK]

Originally Posted by Philly112

...... I just sometimes wish that instead of searching google for, say '9/11 conspiracy', people would maybe look at '9/11 conspiracy debunked' or something.

Does it bebunk the fact that in all copies of the videos showing the planes hitting the twin towers (no matter from what source), there is a bright flash before the planes actually hit the towers ? It has been studied in slow motion on all the published material, and is there in all of them, almost like a missile hit the tower before the plane did.

I'm amazed at the number of people who criticise this sort of movie, before they've even watched it.

I think given what was reported from the trial it was better that Moussaoui was given life for as number of reasons.

He will not as mentioned be able to become a martyr figure for other figures.

He is clearly mentally ill, and the death penalty would have been unjust.

He will have the rest of his life to learn that mass murder is inexcusable whatever your religious/political views.

He took part in planning, but did not take part in the actual attacks. I have not heard of conspiracy to commit murder being punished with the death penalty.

We will be saved from numerous 'reprisal attacks that would have taken place on his execution

I don't imagine that he will be given an 'easy ride' in prison either. All in all a good day for American justice I believe.

Maybe they will get around to closing guantanamo bay and implementing due process there at some point.

[Nick_UK]

Originally Posted by jakal

I think given what was reported from the trial it was better that Moussaoui was given life for as number of reasons.

He will not as mentioned be able to become a martyr figure for other figures.

He is clearly mentally ill, and the death penalty would have been unjust.

Was he mentally ill before he entered the interrogation system ?

Good point, I bet he has had a very nice time with it all.....

[Nick_UK]

Amazing what sleep deprivation and dodgy drugs can do

[mrtbag]

Originally Posted by Nick_UK

Was he mentally ill before he entered the interrogation system ?

Yes.

[Nick_UK]

That's odd, because it's alleged that half the prisoners at Guantanamo are supposed to be mentally ill, too.

Must be something in the water

[mrtbag]

Originally Posted by Nick_UK

That's odd, because it's alleged that half the prisoners at Guantanamo are supposed to be mentally ill, too.

Must be something in the water

Blimey, I didn't see that coming!! I made the post for a reaction, and I got what was expected.

My point was Nick, neither you or me know what mental state Massaoui is in now, was is then, or whether he has ever had mental issues (there was a french doctor who claimed his dad and two sisters had also been treated for mental illness). We are never going to find the answers either. Why waste time on it.

If we are going to sit here and talk about the conspiracy theories, lets talk about the credible ones. Where is all the wreckage to Flight 93? Anybody.

[Nick_UK]

Originally Posted by mrtbag

..... Where is all the wreckage to Flight 93? Anybody.

Same place as the wreckage of the twin towers, maybe - carted off with incredible and unbelievable haste, and buried.

Whether any conspiracy theory is founded or not, it should never take away from the fact that 3600+ innocent people lost their lives on that day in the most horrific cirumstances imaginable.

[Nick_UK]

Originally Posted by jakal

Whether any conspiracy theory is founded or not, it should never take away from the fact that 3600+ innocent people lost their lives on that day in the most horrific cirumstances imaginable.

... or the 10's of 1000's of innocents in Iraq who lost their lives because of unfounded American retribution !

True and just goes to prove that two wrongs can never make a right.

[krish]

Originally Posted by jakal

...just goes to prove that two wrongs can never make a right.

doesn't really apply in the sense that there was no connection between Sadaam and 9/11 - as Nick said... unfounded American retribution; as well as the Bush Whitehouse (and the Neocons') existing agenda to control the oil and kick Sadaam's arse due to fears about Saudi Arabia's instabilty as a kingdom

[mrtbag]

Originally Posted by krish72

...there was no connection between Sadaam and 9/11

Don't tell Michael Moore that!!