[samjet]

have a look at the site

www.capc.co.uk

some of its very funny but its a sad reflection of the way in which we are being TOLD to conduct our lives

i mean - apparently at school a child cannot be called naughty because it lowers their self esteem madness!!!!!!!

or the banning of school sports days because the obese kids can't win the 100m sprint!

or a council official was called out to make a report regarding someone burning tyres - my friend was making a statement only to be told he could not say black smoke!!

seeing as i'm totally non pc - how about this

one of our local private nursery schools has a teacher (carer whatever) whose size would undoubedly be a hazard to navigation - what example does this set given the growing trend to obesity in our pre schoool kids ??

[samjet]

i also drive a Jeep Cherokee soon no doubt to be renamed

Jeep Native North American

and next time i go out for a meal i will not have to say 'indian'

because it could be indian, pakistani, bengali , kashmiri, etc and i might be nicked for discrimination!!!

[johnscarlet]

IIRC , Stuart runs an abolish PC site as well as AVF . Can't recall the URL at the moment
John

[Ian J]

There is no doubt that there is an ever increasing trend towards political correctness but many of the more ridiculous aspects are highlighted by a dumbed down media trying to stir up trouble in conjunction with one or two half brained idiots that claim to be acting in the best interests of others.

The whole "Christmas" thing is a good example as one or two councils have refused to allow celebrations in case it would offend their Muslim population but not one of them have bothered to actually ask the Muslims whether or not they would be offended and most of them would not. This has the effect of generating anti religious feelings for something that they are not responsible for.

The case of the "black" smoke isn't a case of political correctness either ( if true) but an example of someone opening his mouth before inserting his solitary braincell. Black is a colour and always will be and anyone that describes a tyre as anything other than black is simply being stupid and will make a laughing stock of himself if he does so publicly. Presumably the person who wouldn't allow the smoke to be called black would rather have submitted a report talking about a plume of African American smoke.

Samjet's point about going out for an "indian" is an interesting one as I think that the vast majority of "Indian" restaurants are actually owned by Bangladeshis who not only come from a different country to India but worship a different religion too and calling them "Indians" is rather like referring to us as French.

I also think that by calling their restaurants names like "Raj" and "Star of India" the Bangladeshis are deliberately pandering to our stupidity and whilst I'm not the slightest bit politically correct I always go out for a curry anyway

[samjet]

ian - the black smoke issue is most certainly true - the official was from Mansfield District Council Environmental Health Department - i think it was 'she' and told my friend that the report in question would refer to it as 'dark smoke'

[Ian J]

Perhaps that helps to explain why some councils are so badly run if they employ idiots like that.

PS my avatar is wearing his Winterval hat and any likeness to a Christmas hat is purely co-incidental

[Miyazaki]

Originally Posted by Ian J

PS my avatar is wearing his Winterval hat and any likeness to a Christmas hat is purely co-incidental

How dare you!!!

You are making light of my secular winterval celebrations!

[JohnG]

The stupidity of Mansfield District Council is taken for granted around these parts

[samjet]

as well we both know

and Newark and Sherwood are no better - one day i'll have to post the story of the dustbin lorry that ate my wheelie bin and the ensuing saga

[Steven]

As someone who goes to a sixth form with a muslim population > white population, I can tell you not one of them are offended by xmas

Those attempting to ban xmas are nameless, unaccountable and have an ulterior political motive to bring this country down. Maybe not that extreme but you get the gist of it

[Knyght_byte]

i mentioned this in another post, my favourite is banning the Piggy Bank in case it offends muslims.......so you mean it was ok to offend all those jewish people for all those years NatWest were churning them out in different sets of clothes?...lol

oh and on the Xmas front, if it so offends muslims, why was it that the muslim guy who sits next to me and his mate a few chairs up in our office were the ones using their artistic abilities to decorate our teams noticeboard and asking where the Xmas decorations are so they could hang them up...lol

[gooner#14]

what about the divali?? every year leicester is lit up in lights when thousends of asians take to the streets and dance or summat now if i was to say i was offended by this id be carted off as a racist!!!! but a muslim person can be offended by our celebration of christmas. in hucknall notts where i live we dont have xmas lights there" winter lights" it makes me soo madddddddddd

[lynx]

Recently i was a delegate at a large conference. After a bit of debate, the speaker at the rostrum was interupted as someone from the floor decided on a point of order that had the rest mystified.The reason? A section of the delegation had decided that the term 'Whiteboard' (you know the thing that hangs on a wall and serves as a notice board) was not in keeping with current thinking and an alternative name should be agreed.
Now, while i accept there are some areas which may need looked at with a degree of comonsense, this type of mentality makes my blood boil at times, not just the Whiteboard but the whole ethos behind the 'political correctness brigade.

[overkill]

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

As someone who goes to a sixth form with a muslim population > white population, I can tell you not one of them are offended by xmas

Those attempting to ban xmas are nameless, unaccountable and have an ulterior political motive to bring this country down. Maybe not that extreme but you get the gist of it

Utter rot. On the left, so called 'PC' started out as a well meaning attempt by people trying to redress past ignorance and injustice. On the right it was an attempt to stop us being 'exposed' to too much sleaze or violence.

It's ended up however, with 99% of it being attempts by councils, schools, employers and the govt, trying to head off litigation by unscruplous individuals trying to take advantage of legislation designed to stop quite geniune abuse. My wifes school was hit by such a claim over 'abuse' (non existant) of a pupil last year. It cost the school £1,000's and the parents (to their mates) admitted it was as scam. Now the school has had to introduce new rules similair to those found on that website.

As such the legal profession, not 'do-gooders' are amongst the key movers in creating the current climate of 'PC'. Setting up websites denouncing 'political correctness' is NOT going to cause them, of all people, any sleepless nights. No offence Stuart.

There is no such thing as 'political correctness' anymore. It's purely self defence against scam artists.

New leglislation that the govt is currently thinking of introducing might give the lawyers, claim companies, and their scamming clients pause for thought. However, I did say might.........

[cmcg55]

Originally Posted by overkill

Utter rot. On the left, so called 'PC' started out as a well meaning attempt by people trying to redress past ignorance and injustice. On the right it was an attempt to stop us being 'exposed' to too much sleaze or violence.

It's ended up however, with 99% of it being attempts by councils, schools, employers and the govt, trying to head off litigation by unscruplous individuals trying to take advantage of legislation designed to stop quite geniune abuse. My wifes school was hit by such a claim over 'abuse' (non existant) of a pupil last year. It cost the school £1,000's and the parents (to their mates) admitted it was as scam. Now the school has had to introduce new rules similair to those found on that website.

As such the legal profession, not 'do-gooders' are amongst the key movers in creating the current climate of 'PC'. Setting up websites denouncing 'political correctness' is NOT going to cause them, of all people, any sleepless nights. No offence Stuart.

There is no such thing as 'political correctness' anymore. It's purely self defence against scam artists.

New leglislation that the govt is currently thinking of introducing might give the lawyers, claim companies, and their scamming clients pause for thought. However, I did say might.........

Much as I hate PC, can't help but agree with you. It's not the fault of "do-gooders", it's nothing more than self-defense mechanism to protect against opportunistic individuals. I am completely sure that 99.9% of muslims living in this country (or any other non-christian religions for that matter) are not offended in the slightest by Christmas, however the key is that it's 99.9%, not 100%. It only needs one.

The whole notion of "do-gooders" is nothing more than a projection mechanism we use to find someone or something to blame for a situation we don't like. However, if anyone is to blame - blame first our judicial system which appears to pander to these people, blame second our government for failing to warn the judiciary that it's about time they came down from their ivory towers and represented the wishes of the population, and if they don't, then perhaps its time to revisit the judicial system itself (Elected judges? In a heartbeat!), and thirdly (and ultimately), blame ourselves for continuing to elect those governments in the first place.

[KoThreads]

Originally Posted by gooner#14

what about the divali?? every year leicester is lit up in lights when thousends of asians take to the streets and dance or summat now if i was to say i was offended by this id be carted off as a racist!!!! but a muslim person can be offended by our celebration of christmas. in hucknall notts where i live we dont have xmas lights there" winter lights" it makes me soo madddddddddd

And there to me sums up the stupiditty of the whole PC ideal. I have posted elsewhere that I find the whole PC thing defeatist. It ends up alienating people from all sides because of views that so few agree with. Councils do it as they think it makes them look good whereas all the people I know would rather they left things alone.

Sticking with the general PC theme - and quite topical, given this evening's snooker final - anyone else amused to hear Ding's entry to the evening session described as 'Enter the dragon ...' Talk about racial stereotyping!

[overkill]

Originally Posted by cmcg55

Much as I hate PC, can't help but agree with you. It's not the fault of "do-gooders", it's nothing more than self-defense mechanism to protect against opportunistic individuals. I am completely sure that 99.9% of muslims living in this country (or any other non-christian religions for that matter) are not offended in the slightest by Christmas, however the key is that it's 99.9%, not 100%. It only needs one.

The whole notion of "do-gooders" is nothing more than a projection mechanism we use to find someone or something to blame for a situation we don't like. However, if anyone is to blame - blame first our judicial system which appears to pander to these people, blame second our government for failing to warn the judiciary that it's about time they came down from their ivory towers and represented the wishes of the population, and if they don't, then perhaps its time to revisit the judicial system itself (Elected judges? In a heartbeat!), and thirdly (and ultimately), blame ourselves for continuing to elect those governments in the first place.

Quite agree. The vast majority of Muslims would rather not (they ain't stupid) attract unwanted negative attention over the Xmas period as our skinheaded friends use PC as an excuse to torch their local corner shop (yes, it's a stereotype I know). The fact that a large number of the asian businesses are owned by Indians, who are either Hindus, Sikhs or Christians, and who enjoy xmas as much as the rest of us, will of course be lost on them..............

On the other points I would agree that elected senior officals, as in the US, might be the way forward. Then again, when you see some of the idiots the US public have put into senior public office, and remember that 'PC' to avoid litigation is 100% times worse over there, maybe not.

[Nick_UK]

A few years ago my sister was reprimanded by the local council that she worked for, because she refused to join in the divali celebrations. She tried to point out to them that as an agnostic she didn't celebrate Christmas either, but it still went on her record. Sheer madness.

[sithlordx]

does this not come down to one thing,,this pathetic goverment and an even more pathetic excuse for a prime minister?while we have a country run by politicians who hate anything about past british history,anything english,and anything english and white how can things ever change.the reason they have flooded the country with anyone and every one is it not because they want to see the end of the british,english way of life and one way around it is to rid every part of it,ie,christmas,easter,forget about all the things that made this country a great place to be..

[shahedz]

Originally Posted by sithlordx

does this not come down to one thing,,this pathetic goverment and an even more pathetic excuse for a prime minister?while we have a country run by politicians who hate anything about past british history,anything english,and anything english and white how can things ever change.the reason they have flooded the country with anyone and every one is it not because they want to see the end of the british,english way of life and one way around it is to rid every part of it,ie,christmas,easter,forget about all the things that made this country a great place to be..

i have to agree. politcial corretness has gone mad. and it applies to more things than just being "british"

as Samjet pointewd out

"i mean - apparently at school a child cannot be called naughty because it lowers their self esteem madness!!!!!!!

or the banning of school sports days because the obese kids can't win the 100m sprint!"

so there is a lot more to polictical correctness gone mad than attacking anything that it British, i personally thinks its ridculous and i cant wait for my Christmas holidays and christmas Dinner and i refuse to call it anything else.

[Kevo]

In a daily newspaper recently there was one of those 'human/animal lookalike' photos which showed a picture of a monkey next to a picture of the former racing driver Jackie Stewart showing how similar they looked.

Why is this not considered racist?

They wouldn't dream of using a black person in the photo.

[stealther]

Originally Posted by gooner#14

what about the divali?? every year leicester is lit up in lights when thousends of asians take to the streets and dance or summat now if i was to say i was offended by this id be carted off as a racist!!!! but a muslim person can be offended by our celebration of christmas. in hucknall notts where i live we dont have xmas lights there" winter lights" it makes me soo madddddddddd

Hi gooner I work in Hucknall and am looking out the office window at the lights right now. Didn’t know they were called winter lights and don’t care. I will be walking around town at lunchtime wearing my silly Christmas hat and will be whishing all I meet a Merry Christmas.

Ive read the following quote somewhere on these forums and it really stuck with me that it is probably true

"Seriously though I think that all this political correctness is actually
fueling the racism in this country so is in fact having the opposite effect!"

As pointed out PC is now a defence mechanism from the 0.01% of the population.

It all boils down to compensation culture and nothing is 'my' fault its always someone else’s responsibility. This is what we need to stamp out as to how I am at a loss.
I mean we can hardly ban these no win no fee legal companies or prevent people from claiming damages when they have a genuine case.

So what can be done?

Out of interest I signed that petition and was very amused to see My Dad had already been there and signed it also.

[KoThreads]

Originally Posted by sithlordx

does this not come down to one thing,,this pathetic goverment and an even more pathetic excuse for a prime minister?while we have a country run by politicians who hate anything about past british history,anything english,and anything english and white how can things ever change.the reason they have flooded the country with anyone and every one is it not because they want to see the end of the british,english way of life and one way around it is to rid every part of it,ie,christmas,easter,forget about all the things that made this country a great place to be..

That's how I think and just because I believe in my history I have already been called a racist by white people, and i'm very white not even a hint of a tan. Soon the flag of St. George is going to become illegal.

Just because I'm white, English and proud of it doesn't make me racist in this day and age. or does it?

[DJT75]

The MOBO Awards - a ceremony for "Music Of Black Origin".

Now if I started up The MOWO Awards I'd be deported - double standards or what?!!?!

[Steven]

Originally Posted by shadowritten

Sticking with the general PC theme - and quite topical, given this evening's snooker final - anyone else amused to hear Ding's entry to the evening session described as 'Enter the dragon ...' Talk about racial stereotyping!

But would it be PC to think thats PC? - rather than a script writer earning their wages? However since Ding doesn't understand english I suppose we'll never know!

My little brother enjoyed sports day up until he was 8. For the past two years running they've been having "activity days where they learn about teamwork and enjoying themselves"

Kids need to know that its a tough world out there. I got this spelt out to me in primary school (during the last of the Tory years but that probably irrelevant)

Councils, organisations and the government should return to the ways of just six years ago. Maybe miraculously they won't get sued

And if they do, the courts should put their money where their mouth is and show those people where the door is

Originally Posted by DJT75

The MOBO Awards - a ceremony for "Music Of Black Origin".

Now if I started up The MOWO Awards I'd be deported - double standards or what?!!?!

Or just put on trial by the incompetent CPS but be spared jail and sentencing by the lobbying of black artists with commone sense?

[cmcg55]

Originally Posted by stealther

It all boils down to compensation culture and nothing is 'my' fault its always someone else’s responsibility. This is what we need to stamp out as to how I am at a loss.

There is only one way to change it, and that's to keep attacking the problems until you get to the core of the issue itself.

Q: Why do local authorities and employers feel the need to protect themselves using absurdly PC policies?

A: Because they feel threatened by law suits.

Q: Why do they feel threatened?

A: Because it's become more and more likely that no matter how absurd the claim in question, the plaintive has an excellent chance of winning - and in some cases, with a huge settlement that amount to a free ticket for life.

Q: Why do the plaintives appear to have such an excellent chance of winning?

A: Because the courts in this country are a joke. They are mired by laws and legal predecents that were set centuries ago and are now utterly obsolete, plagued with silver-tongued lawyers who are spinmeisers par excellence, are overseen by judges/magistrates/sherrifs who are, in many cases, either (a) ex-lawyers themselves and as such are far too easily swayed by the BS their colleagues talk, (b) are out-of-touch elitists who should have been pensioned off years ago and/or (c) appear to have political agendas of their own - a state of play that perhaps isn't anywhere as common in the UK yet as it is in America, but it's certainly becoming more noticable and finally, in the case of trial by jury, are adjudicated by people who simply aren't qualified to do the job and are even more susceptible to being swayed by lawyers' debating tactics (fact: no-one wants to do jury duty, everyone with half an ounce of sense tries to wriggle out of it somehow, and what you're left with are those who see it as an excuse for some time off work). Oh, and there's TWELVE of those jurors by the way, and as only unanimous decisions count, it only takes one oddball to make the whole thing a complete waste of time.

Yes, you can appeal, but it only gets worse. Get to the High Court, and then the out-of-touch elitists really are in full flow. They live in (almost literally) ivory towers totally divorced from the majority of the population. Want to take it further? Well, your last point of call is that "wonderful tradition" of the House of Lords - a mediaeval anachronism that shouldn't have made it into the 20th century, far less the 21st. Even with the end of hereditary peerages, it's still a complete farce.

So how do you solve it all? Well, unfortunately, there's only one group of people who have the power to make such changes - the government - and they have no real interest in doing a single thing about it because it would be an unknown quantity as far as election day is concerned. So now what? Well - with nothing else... short of a revolution, don't expect anything to change, and you won't get that revolution because as much as we sit here and moan about PC or whatever else, it isn't such a huge issue that the population as a whole is about to upset the whole applecart and risk losing a lot more. Revolutions are for the desparate who have nothing else to live for, and we aren't at that stage by a long, long way.

[Mr.D]

Originally Posted by Idoexist

That's how I think and just because I believe in my history I have already been called a racist by white people, and i'm very white not even a hint of a tan. Soon the flag of St. George is going to become illegal.

Just because I'm white, English and proud of it doesn't make me racist in this day and age. or does it?

Of course most of the things worth celebrating in this country were invented by the French (Norman conquerors ).

Zo put zat in yur anglaish peep and smok eet.

[Monty Burns]

Originally Posted by DJT75

The MOBO Awards - a ceremony for "Music Of Black Origin".

Now if I started up The MOWO Awards I'd be deported - double standards or what?!!?!

I have often thought EXACTLY the same thing.


Ahh well, back to daydreaming for me ... another busy day in the office

[overkill]

Originally Posted by sithlordx

does this not come down to one thing,,this pathetic goverment and an even more pathetic excuse for a prime minister?while we have a country run by politicians who hate anything about past british history,anything english,and anything english and white how can things ever change.the reason they have flooded the country with anyone and every one is it not because they want to see the end of the british,english way of life and one way around it is to rid every part of it,ie,christmas,easter,forget about all the things that made this country a great place to be..

Does that just completely miss the whole point, or what? Why? Because this is correct:-

Originally Posted by LFC_SL

got this spelt out to me in primary school (during the last of the Tory years but that probably irrelevant)

The last govt started the whole ball rolling on councils etc having to watch their P's&Q's to avoid litigation. Are you going to claim Mrs T was 'pathetic' and that the Tories 'hate British history' and wanted to do away with the 'British way of life'? Whatever that may be, bearing in mind the huge changes to in the last two hundred years. Certainly it bears no resemblance whatsoever with life pre the 1780's. Obviously those govts hated the 'British way of life' as well.............


Excellent last post CMG55. I can't argue with any of it. The worst part of all of it is that nothing will change whoevers in power. The judicary are the establishment and the Tories the party of it. Not much likelihood of 'say one thing, do another' Cameron changing things then...........