Lions " roar"

la gran siete · 03-06-2005, 4:44 PM

Or do they whimper?Will the Bay of plenty become a bay of broken dreams? Well guys IT kicks off tomorrow at 7.30 am Sky sports 2. This is a must win game because its the first one otherwise its curtains for the rest of the tour. Must admit I am filled with excitement and some trepidation , but what I hope for is that they put on some good performances.Dont really expect them to win the test series as the AB's are simply awesome and have no weaknesses to speak of but then I never expected England to beat them in 2003 so anything is possible.
Go Lions Go!

Miyazaki · 03-06-2005, 5:20 PM

oh my god.

la gran siete · 03-06-2005, 5:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Games Guru

oh my god.

Not a rugby then Guru?

Nicholas Gibbs · 03-06-2005, 5:27 PM

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Originally Posted by la gran siete

Or do they whimper?Will the Bay of plenty become a bay of broken dreams? Well guys IT kicks off tomorrow at 7.30 am Sky sports 2. This is a must win game because its the first one otherwise its curtains for the rest of the tour. Must admit I am filled with excitement and some trepidation , but what I hope for is that they put on some good performances.Dont really expect them to win the test series as the AB's are simply awesome and have no weaknesses to speak of but then I never expected England to beat them in 2003 so anything is possible.
Go Lions Go!

I trust you will be sporting your lions shirt for the game!

Synchronicity · 03-06-2005, 6:08 PM

The Lions?Is that the team full of middle aged english men,and a suspiscious lack of Welsh players?

It was obviously England that has been the dominant team over the last year and Ive been watching something else.....

Nicholas Gibbs · 03-06-2005, 6:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Jason B

The Lions?Is that the team full of middle aged english men,and a suspiscious lack of Welsh players?

It was obviously England that has been the dominant team over the last year and Ive been watching something else.....

At least England have won a few games in the southern hemisphere, when was the last time Wales had a succesful tour to either New Zealand or Austrailia?

Nicholas Gibbs · 03-06-2005, 6:52 PM

Oh and the world cup!

smelly · 03-06-2005, 8:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Gibbs

At least England have won a few games in the southern hemisphere, when was the last time Wales had a succesful tour to either New Zealand or Austrailia?

What about Wales being the first Northern Hemisphere side to win a test series in Argentina not so long ago?

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Oh and the world cup!

...and not done much since

Nicholas Gibbs · 03-06-2005, 9:28 PM

Season Winners
1882-83 ENGLAND
1883-84 ENGLAND
1884-85 NOT COMPLETED
1885-86 ENGLAND & SCOTLAND (shared)
1886-87 SCOTLAND
1887-88 NOT COMPLETED
1888-89 NOT COMPLETED
1889-90 ENGLAND & SCOTLAND (shared)
1890-91 SCOTLAND
1891-92 ENGLAND
1892-93 WALES
1893-94 IRELAND
1894-95 SCOTLAND
1895-96 IRELAND
1896-97 NOT COMPLETED
1897-98 NOT COMPLETED
1898-99 IRELAND
1899-1900 WALES
1900-01 SCOTLAND
1901-02 WALES
1902-03 SCOTLAND
1903-04 SCOTLAND
1904-05 WALES
1905-06 IRELAND & WALES (shared)
1906-07 SCOTLAND
1907-08 WALES
1908-09 WALES
1909-10 ENGLAND
1910-11 WALES
1911-12 ENGLAND & IRELAND (shared)
1912-13 ENGLAND
1913-14 ENGLAND
1914-15 NO COMPETITION
1915-16 NO COMPETITION
1916-17 NO COMPETITION
1917-18 NO COMPETITION
1918-19 NO COMPETITION
1919-20 ENGLAND & SCOTLAND & WALES (shared)
1920-21 ENGLAND
1921-22 WALES
1922-23 ENGLAND
1923-24 ENGLAND
1924-25 SCOTLAND
1925-26 SCOTLAND & IRELAND (shared)
1926-27 SCOTLAND & IRELAND (shared)
1927-28 ENGLAND
1928-29 SCOTLAND
1929-30 ENGLAND
1930-31 WALES
1931-32 ENGLAND & WALES & IRELAND (shared)
1932-33 SCOTLAND
1933-34 ENGLAND
1934-35 IRELAND
1935-36 WALES
1936-37 ENGLAND
1937-38 SCOTLAND
1938-39 ENGLAND & WALES & IRELAND (shared)
1939-40 NO COMPETITION
1940-41 NO COMPETITION
1941-42 NO COMPETITION
1942-43 NO COMPETITION
1943-44 NO COMPETITION
1944-45 NO COMPETITION
1945-46 NO COMPETITION
1946-47 WALES & ENGLAND (shared)
1947-48 IRELAND
1948-49 IRELAND
1949-50 WALES
1950-51 IRELAND
1951-52 WALES
1952-53 ENGLAND
1953-54 ENGLAND & FRANCE & WALES (shared)
1954-55 WALES & FRANCE (shared)
1955-56 WALES
1956-57 ENGLAND
1957-58 ENGLAND
1958-59 FRANCE
1959-60 FRANCE & ENGLAND (shared)
1960-61 FRANCE
1961-62 FRANCE
1962-63 ENGLAND
1963-64 SCOTLAND & WALES (shared)
1964-65 WALES
1965-66 WALES
1966-67 FRANCE
1967-68 FRANCE
1968-69 WALES
1969-70 WALES & FRANCE (shared)
1970-71 WALES
1971-72 NOT COMPLETED
1972-73 QUINTUPLE TIE
1973-74 IRELAND
1974-75 WALES
1975-76 WALES
1976-77 FRANCE
1977-78 WALES
1978-79 WALES
1979-80 ENGLAND
1980-81 FRANCE
1981-82 IRELAND
1982-83 FRANCE & IRELAND (shared)
1983-84 SCOTLAND
1984-85 IRELAND
1985-86 FRANCE & SCOTLAND (shared)
1986-87 FRANCE
1987-88 WALES & FRANCE (shared)
1988-89 FRANCE
1989-90 SCOTLAND
1990-91 ENGLAND
1991-92 ENGLAND
1992-93 FRANCE
1993-94 WALES*
1994-95 ENGLAND
1995-96 ENGLAND*
1996-97 FRANCE
1997-98 FRANCE
1998-99 SCOTLAND
2000 ENGLAND
2001 ENGLAND
2002 FRANCE
2003 ENGLAND

* Indicates winners of Championship Trophy (introduced 1993) on points difference.

With the 2003 Grand Slam, England became the team to have won the championship outright most often with 23 titles exceeding Wales with 22 titles.
Scotland have done so 14 times, France 12 and Ireland ten.

Grand Slam Winners
ENGLAND 12 TIMES

: 1913, 1914, 1921, 1923, 1924, 1928, 1957, 1980, 1991, 1992, 1995, 2003
WALES 8 TIMES

: 1908, 1909, 1911, 1950, 1952, 1971, 1976, 1978
FRANCE 6 TIMES

: 1968, 1977, 1981, 1987, 1997, 1998
SCOTLAND 3

TIMES : 1925, 1984, 1990
IRELAND ONCE

: 1948

I don't think I need to say anymore!

smelly · 03-06-2005, 9:47 PM

Umm and what has that reply got to do with playing the Southern Hemisphere which was the point of your original post I think?

Nicholas Gibbs · 03-06-2005, 9:54 PM

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Originally Posted by smelly

Umm and what has that reply got to do with playing the Southern Hemisphere which was the point of your original post I think?

Just pointing out the differnce between the nothern hemisphere teams thats all...

Mylo · 03-06-2005, 9:57 PM

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Originally Posted by smelly

Umm and what has that reply got to do with playing the Southern Hemisphere which was the point of your original post I think?

nothing

and don't forget it's the 6 nations now

which has even less to do with the Lions tour

smelly · 03-06-2005, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Gibbs

Just pointing out the differnce between the nothern hemisphere teams thats all...

On current form I would say that you ought to be a little quieter at the moment...you're only as good as your last game

Oh and you only went as far as 2003....if you go up to the present date we're even on titles....23 a piece.

Nicholas Gibbs · 03-06-2005, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by smelly

On current form I would say that you ought to be a little quieter at the moment...you're only as good as your last game

Oh and you only went as far as 2003....if you go up to the present date we're even on titles....23 a piece.

I would have gone further than 2003, but the website didn't have any more detail (handily enough!)

And with regard current form, you are quite correct, but Johnny is back now!

smelly · 03-06-2005, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Gibbs

I would have gone further than 2003, but the website didn't have any more detail (handily enough!)

So you conveniently forgot the last couple of years then

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicholas Gibbs

And with regard current form, you are quite correct, but Johnny is back now!

Oh god all he did was win the world cup for you

talk about having the weight of English rugby on his shoulders

Nicholas Gibbs · 03-06-2005, 10:20 PM

What about Mr Charlotte Church, O'l golden boots himself?

smelly · 03-06-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Gibbs

What about Mr Charlotte Church, O'l golden boots himself?

Well he's ok but he's not the only one

Nicholas Gibbs · 03-06-2005, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by smelly

Well he's ok but he's not the only one

Oh yes of course....there is always referee

Synchronicity · 03-06-2005, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Gibbs

Season Winners
1882-83 ENGLAND
1883-84 ENGLAND
1884-85 NOT COMPLETED
1885-86 ENGLAND & SCOTLAND (shared)
1886-87 SCOTLAND
1887-88 NOT COMPLETED
1888-89 NOT COMPLETED
1889-90 ENGLAND & SCOTLAND (shared)
1890-91 SCOTLAND
1891-92 ENGLAND
1892-93 WALES
1893-94 IRELAND
1894-95 SCOTLAND
1895-96 IRELAND
1896-97 NOT COMPLETED
1897-98 NOT COMPLETED
1898-99 IRELAND
1899-1900 WALES
1900-01 SCOTLAND
1901-02 WALES
1902-03 SCOTLAND
1903-04 SCOTLAND
1904-05 WALES
1905-06 IRELAND & WALES (shared)
1906-07 SCOTLAND
1907-08 WALES
1908-09 WALES
1909-10 ENGLAND
1910-11 WALES
1911-12 ENGLAND & IRELAND (shared)
1912-13 ENGLAND
1913-14 ENGLAND
1914-15 NO COMPETITION
1915-16 NO COMPETITION
1916-17 NO COMPETITION
1917-18 NO COMPETITION
1918-19 NO COMPETITION
1919-20 ENGLAND & SCOTLAND & WALES (shared)
1920-21 ENGLAND
1921-22 WALES
1922-23 ENGLAND
1923-24 ENGLAND
1924-25 SCOTLAND
1925-26 SCOTLAND & IRELAND (shared)
1926-27 SCOTLAND & IRELAND (shared)
1927-28 ENGLAND
1928-29 SCOTLAND
1929-30 ENGLAND
1930-31 WALES
1931-32 ENGLAND & WALES & IRELAND (shared)
1932-33 SCOTLAND
1933-34 ENGLAND
1934-35 IRELAND
1935-36 WALES
1936-37 ENGLAND
1937-38 SCOTLAND
1938-39 ENGLAND & WALES & IRELAND (shared)
1939-40 NO COMPETITION
1940-41 NO COMPETITION
1941-42 NO COMPETITION
1942-43 NO COMPETITION
1943-44 NO COMPETITION
1944-45 NO COMPETITION
1945-46 NO COMPETITION
1946-47 WALES & ENGLAND (shared)
1947-48 IRELAND
1948-49 IRELAND
1949-50 WALES
1950-51 IRELAND
1951-52 WALES
1952-53 ENGLAND
1953-54 ENGLAND & FRANCE & WALES (shared)
1954-55 WALES & FRANCE (shared)
1955-56 WALES
1956-57 ENGLAND
1957-58 ENGLAND
1958-59 FRANCE
1959-60 FRANCE & ENGLAND (shared)
1960-61 FRANCE
1961-62 FRANCE
1962-63 ENGLAND
1963-64 SCOTLAND & WALES (shared)
1964-65 WALES
1965-66 WALES
1966-67 FRANCE
1967-68 FRANCE
1968-69 WALES
1969-70 WALES & FRANCE (shared)
1970-71 WALES
1971-72 NOT COMPLETED
1972-73 QUINTUPLE TIE
1973-74 IRELAND
1974-75 WALES
1975-76 WALES
1976-77 FRANCE
1977-78 WALES
1978-79 WALES
1979-80 ENGLAND
1980-81 FRANCE
1981-82 IRELAND
1982-83 FRANCE & IRELAND (shared)
1983-84 SCOTLAND
1984-85 IRELAND
1985-86 FRANCE & SCOTLAND (shared)
1986-87 FRANCE
1987-88 WALES & FRANCE (shared)
1988-89 FRANCE
1989-90 SCOTLAND
1990-91 ENGLAND
1991-92 ENGLAND
1992-93 FRANCE
1993-94 WALES*
1994-95 ENGLAND
1995-96 ENGLAND*
1996-97 FRANCE
1997-98 FRANCE
1998-99 SCOTLAND
2000 ENGLAND
2001 ENGLAND
2002 FRANCE
2003 ENGLAND

* Indicates winners of Championship Trophy (introduced 1993) on points difference.

With the 2003 Grand Slam, England became the team to have won the championship outright most often with 23 titles exceeding Wales with 22 titles.
Scotland have done so 14 times, France 12 and Ireland ten.

Grand Slam Winners
ENGLAND 12 TIMES

: 1913, 1914, 1921, 1923, 1924, 1928, 1957, 1980, 1991, 1992, 1995, 2003
WALES 8 TIMES

: 1908, 1909, 1911, 1950, 1952, 1971, 1976, 1978
FRANCE 6 TIMES

: 1968, 1977, 1981, 1987, 1997, 1998
SCOTLAND 3

TIMES : 1925, 1984, 1990
IRELAND ONCE

: 1948

I don't think I need to say anymore!

Thanks just by making that reply,you have mad emy arguement for me!You have just demostrated how much you and obviousl ythe selecters are living in the past

The team should be selected on current form;England could have won the last 100 championships but that means fook all if they are playing crap atm,and just got hammered in the 6 nations

With regards to Johnny boy,if your whole hopes are pinned on that poor guy kicking your way to another string of victories that says it all.This is supposed to be rugby not a

kicking competition

Nicholas Gibbs · 03-06-2005, 11:22 PM

Hammered is a little strong, Wales only beat England in the last few minutes when Mr Church(sorry I can't remember his name) kicked a penalty. If he had missed then England would have won! Again France only beat England with kicking, if Charlie Hodgson had manged to convert anything (and I mean just one of the oppotunites) then England would have won that game as well. The championship would have looked very different then.

Nicholas Gibbs · 03-06-2005, 11:24 PM

Also this thread is meant to be about the Lions where the home nations play nicely together, I am quite happy to carry on this debate elsewhere, but should we not get behind the Lions and hope they win down in NZ!

smelly · 03-06-2005, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Gibbs

Hammered is a little strong, Wales only beat England in the last few minutes when Mr Church(sorry I can't remember his name) kicked a penalty. If he had missed then England would have won! Again France only beat England with kicking, if Charlie Hodgson had manged to convert anything (and I mean just one of the oppotunites) then England would have won that game as well. The championship would have looked very different then.

Oh god its all ifs and buts....and you could apply the same to the world cup that you won. But that's what sport is all about. A lot of skill, training, technique...and a lot of ifs and buts and luck on the day.

I agree that this has gone a little off track - I'm all behind the lions and will be up later on this morning to cheer them on but please be a bit more gracious in defeat

you were outclassed in the 6 nations this year - not hammered but outclassed. And I think that you're lucky that you have so many english players in the side.

Oh and its Gavin Henson not Mr Church.

Nicholas Gibbs · 03-06-2005, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by smelly

Oh god its all ifs and buts....and you could apply the same to the world cup that you won. But that's what sport is all about. A lot of skill, training, technique...and a lot of ifs and buts and luck on the day.

I agree that this has gone a little off track - I'm all behind the lions and will be up later on this morning to cheer them on but please be a bit more gracious in defeat

you were outclassed in the 6 nations this year - not hammered but outclassed. And I think that you're lucky that you have so many english players in the side.

Oh and its Gavin Henson not Mr Church.

Gavin Henson that's it...!!

la gran siete · 04-06-2005, 10:10 AM

Isnt this a rather pointless arguement? The moment they put that shirt on they are all Lions and dsoesnt matter where they come from. The reason CW went for so manmy Englishmen is experience . These guys know what it takes to win down under.
Any way they've got their first win under their belt and they know where they have to improve ie contact areas, less turnovers and they've got improve their tackling.
Positives= Josh Lewsey had an outstanding match. BOD Played very well as did Hill and Peel.Shanklin looked good on the wing and I thought the second row did ok.O'Ghara led the line well and his kicking out of hand was very good.
Negatives= too much turnover ball . O'Ghara, my son, your tackling was abysmal. When you tackle you go for the midriff you dont flap at your opponents shoulders, thats for pussies!
Still a win is a win and performaces are bound to improve from now on.
One bad note - the loss of Dayglo . This guy is a massive talent and will be sorely missed ( if the worst fares come to be ).
Negatives

la gran siete · 04-06-2005, 10:20 AM

Still cant seem to work ii Grrr!

KjK · 04-06-2005, 4:05 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but this isn't the same team that won the world cup, meaning you have the Irish in the team as well.

Where it was just the Brits that won the world cup. Shame they haven't played like it since but then lets hope they put up a good showing in NZ.

la gran siete · 04-06-2005, 7:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KjK

Correct me if I'm wrong but this isn't the same team that won the world cup, meaning you have the Irish in the team as well.

Where it was just the Brits that won the world cup. Shame they haven't played like it since but then lets hope they put up a good showing in NZ.

players in the squad thaT won the WC :

Lewsey
Robinson
Greenwood
Wilkinson
Dawson
Back
Dallaglio( now out injured)
Hill
Grewcock
Shaw
White
Thompson
Kay
Roundtree
Corry

The rest are either Irish Welsh or Scottish

Thr

KjK · 04-06-2005, 11:00 PM

Cheers thx someone did explain it to me at work tonight as well, this is a Lions tour & not the English team as such.

Synchronicity · 05-06-2005, 2:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KjK

Cheers thx someone did explain it to me at work tonight as well, this is a Lions tour & not the English team as such.

Yup,shame someone didnt explain that to the selectors who have just picked a couple of token celtic players......but yes,well done on their first win

la gran siete · 05-06-2005, 1:02 PM

Personally I dont mind where they come from . As soon as they put that red shirt on they represent all four home unions.If it be me I would have picked Charvis as well particularly as Dayglo is now out.Token Celtic players??? Dont be silly. Yertsreday there were 3 in the forwards and 5 backs - hardly tokenism