[shaun24]

What is it with Homeless people, ok before someone has a go at me yes I know its not they fault and I feel sorry for them but I am sick of them asking me for money everytime I go in town centre.

Evertime I am in town centre a homeless guy came up to me everytime and he said this (excuse me mate, could you please spare 60p for bus fair) now how is a bus fair 60p? but I refused and just walked on and he gived me abuse so I just ignore him.

I don't mind giving them money but I am not going to give them money so they can get drugs ete.

[paulktreg]

I feel they'd have more success if they were honest and said can you spare a couple of quid for a bottle of cheap cider?

[Tempest]

To be honest, if it was winter and I was on the street I'd find a brick and throw it thru some shop (jewellers) window and just wait for the police to come and put me in the cells.

I'd rather be in prison (low security) with a bed, food, washing facilities etc etc than out on the streets.

I have wondered what the police/court would do with someone who is trying to get into prison for these reasons?

[kav]

Originally Posted by shaun24

What is it with Homeless people, ok before someone has a go at me yes I know its not they fault and I feel sorry for them but I am sick of them asking me for money everytime I go in town centre.

Evertime I am in town centre a homeless guy came up to me everytime and he said this (excuse me mate, could you please spare 60p for bus fair) now how is a bus fair 60p? but I refused and just walked on and he gived me abuse so I just ignore him.

I don't mind giving them money but I am not going to give them money so they can get drugs ete.

Maybe he's hitting on you?

[paulktreg]

I've worked in the medical centre of a large Manchester prison and the manager there is convinced that people deliberately go for short sentences just to get their teeth sorted. The prisoners are entitled to completely free dental treatment that would cost them hundreds on the outside, add this to three square meals a day, decent accommodation, gaming consoles, etc, etc, and you can't blame them!

[MikeTV]

Originally Posted by shaun24

What is it with Homeless people, ok before someone has a go at me yes I know its not they fault and I feel sorry for them but I am sick of them asking me for money everytime I go in town centre.

Evertime I am in town centre a homeless guy came up to me everytime and he said this (excuse me mate, could you please spare 60p for bus fair) now how is a bus fair 60p? but I refused and just walked on and he gived me abuse so I just ignore him.

I don't mind giving them money but I am not going to give them money so they can get drugs ete.

Give money to homeless charities instead. That will help a lot more homeless people than by giving it to individuals on the street. Or if you can't resist, offer to buy them a sandwich or something - don't give them cash.

[hopeless]

Originally Posted by Tempest

To be honest, if it was winter and I was on the street I'd find a brick and throw it thru some shop (jewellers) window and just wait for the police to come and put me in the cells.

I'd rather be in prison (low security) with a bed, food, washing facilities etc etc than out on the streets.

I have wondered what the police/court would do with someone who is trying to get into prison for these reasons?

When I became homeless, within a week, I deliberately got my myself arrested and was remanded at Wandsworth for a week. It was nowhere near as bad as I thought. I was expecting it to be a cross between Scum and American prisons but everyone there was just trying to keep their heads down, serving their time. After 6 days I thought I'd rather take my chances and live on the streets instead. It's a strange feeling being homeless, slightly liberating. I felt lost and found at the same time. Spent the next 3 years homeless trying to sort my life out.

Originally Posted by paulktreg

I've worked in the medical centre of a large Manchester prison and the manager there is convinced that people deliberately go for short sentences just to get their teeth sorted. The prisoners are entitled to completely free dental treatment that would cost them hundreds on the outside, add this to three square meals a day, decent accommodation, gaming consoles, etc, etc, and you can't blame them!

You should've checked out Wandsworth prison back in 2003. Not quite the holiday camp everyone makes it out to be. My cell held 2 prisoners with a bunk bed. The mattress I slept on was so old and used it was about an inch thick. The metal frame of the bed dug into my body and was incredibly uncomfortable. No TV's, no radios no playstations. Just a desk and chair and toilet next to the bed with no door for privacy. If you wanted to take a dump, you just take it while your cell mate is there 2 feet from you. Because I was there on remand, my daily meal consisted of 1 and potato. The 1 was an orange, which I ate and threw the uncooked potato away.

When I got out, the prison had 'misplaced' my wallet which the guards had obviously stole. But still I did get a doggy bag with a 10p Chomp bar and 12.5g of Golden Virginia, so it wasn't all that bad.

[swiftpete]

How did you get out of that life?

[krish]

^^^ apparently by targeting some bloke who's always wearing a T-shirt with with the slogan NOBODY KNOWS I'M AN EASY MARK FOR 'BUS FARES', NOR THAT I DON'T MAKE GENERALISATIONS ABOUT THE HOMELESS ON INTERNET FORUMS

[travid]

Originally Posted by hopeless

When I became homeless, within a week, I deliberately got my myself arrested and was remanded at Wandsworth for a week. It was nowhere near as bad as I thought. I was expecting it to be a cross between Scum and American prisons but everyone there was just trying to keep their heads down, serving their time. After 6 days I thought I'd rather take my chances and live on the streets instead. It's a strange feeling being homeless, slightly liberating. I felt lost and found at the same time. Spent the next 3 years homeless trying to sort my life out.



You should've checked out Wandsworth prison back in 2003. Not quite the holiday camp everyone makes it out to be. My cell held 2 prisoners with a bunk bed. The mattress I slept on was so old and used it was about an inch thick. The metal frame of the bed dug into my body and was incredibly uncomfortable. No TV's, no radios no playstations. Just a desk and chair and toilet next to the bed with no door for privacy. If you wanted to take a dump, you just take it while your cell mate is there 2 feet from you. Because I was there on remand, my daily meal consisted of 1 and potato. The 1 was an orange, which I ate and threw the uncooked potato away.

When I got out, the prison had 'misplaced' my wallet which the guards had obviously stole. But still I did get a doggy bag with a 10p Chomp bar and 12.5g of Golden Virginia, so it wasn't all that bad.

I agree with the rest of your description, I would like you to prove that your wallet was stolen by prison staff. There are plenty of avenues for complaint before you make spurious claims here

Edit: Glad you have sorted your life out BTW

[kopchoir]

Few tales from me

I've seen a chap finish his Saturday job and jumped into his black Merc. He ditched his ripped McDonalds coffee cup that he had used. Took of his shoes and took out an expensive pair of trainers from his boot and merrily drove off.

There was a homeless guy who you used to collect tin cans around the town for years,he never asked you for any cash but you would see him with a bottle of cider.
Sadly he passed away many years ago and was reported that he left 100's of thousands in his estate.
I believe the vast majority of homeless people have mental health problems always thought there have never been enough help for people with mental health problems over the years.

My grandmother used to make up a few hampers And take them down to a place in Manchester just packed with tin food and other stuff to like a soup kitchen.
She Used to make huge pans of Tata ash down there my grans was the best.
When the winter months were coming she went down with clothes,her cousin worked in a clothing recycling factory and grew up with the owners. So they sorted it to take warm clothes and blankets down as well.

I also think your time more than your money is better,I should of took my grans advice really.
Every year I say I'll do something but I never do just end up sticking a few twentys in different charity's shop boxes.
Laziness I think on my behalf really if I ever won a shed load of cash I'd love to do the holiday for a year but donate my time to good causes in the uk.


Sorry went off on one then

[iPooooon]

Originally Posted by swiftpete

How did you get out of that life?

Yeah id love to know too, sounds interesting

[njdbaxter]

Originally Posted by kopchoir

Few tales from me

I've seen a chap finish his Saturday job and jumped into his black Merc. He ditched his ripped McDonalds coffee cup that he had used. Took of his shoes and took out an expensive pair of trainers from his boot and merrily drove off.

There was a homeless guy who you used to collect tin cans around the town for years,he never asked you for any cash but you would see him with a bottle of cider.
Sadly he passed away many years ago and was reported that he left 100's of thousands in his estate.
I believe the vast majority of homeless people have mental health problems always thought there have never been enough help for people with mental health problems over the years.

My grandmother used to make up a few hampers And take them down to a place in Manchester just packed with tin food and other stuff to like a soup kitchen.
She Used to make huge pans of Tata ash down there my grans was the best.
When the winter months were coming she went down with clothes,her cousin worked in a clothing recycling factory and grew up with the owners. So they sorted it to take warm clothes and blankets down as well.

I also think your time more than your money is better,I should of took my grans advice really.
Every year I say I'll do something but I never do just end up sticking a few twentys in different charity's shop boxes.
Laziness I think on my behalf really if I ever won a shed load of cash I'd love to do the holiday for a year but donate my time to good causes in the uk.


Sorry went off on one then

if i won a load of money i'd build a homeless shelter beside Shaun24's flat

[njdbaxter]

Originally Posted by shaun24

What is it with Homeless people, ok before someone has a go at me yes I know its not they fault and I feel sorry for them but I am sick of them asking me for money everytime I go in town centre.

Evertime I am in town centre a homeless guy came up to me everytime and he said this (excuse me mate, could you please spare 60p for bus fair) now how is a bus fair 60p? but I refused and just walked on and he gived me abuse so I just ignore him.

I don't mind giving them money but I am not going to give them money so they can get drugs ete.

you come across as a very caring and understanding person

arent you living in a social house?

so in fact you were probabaly one step away from being homeless or kipping on someones couch/floor.

maybe they were not as lucky as you as werent considered as top priority for housing

[hopeless]

Originally Posted by swiftpete

How did you get out of that life?

Stopped smoking skunk. That stuff was seriously messing with my mind, then spent the next few years trying to rebuild my life but failing every time. It's like trying to rebuild on rubble, my life kept on collapsing. So piece by piece I'm clearing the rubbish and building my life up again.

Originally Posted by travid

I agree with the rest of your description, I would like you to prove that your wallet was stolen by prison staff. There are plenty of avenues for complaint before you make spurious claims here

Edit: Glad you have sorted your life out BTW

Cheers. No I can't prove it. Surrey police said Wandsworth had my wallet and Wandsworth said Surrey police had it. I gave up after 30mins. There was only £5 in it anyway.. but it was my last £5! All I had were the clothes I was wearing. I had no idea what direction I was supposed to be going. Every where and no where was my home. Crazy days.

I never begged on the street though as something always turned up.

[bosque]

Originally Posted by njdbaxter

you come across as a very caring and understanding person

arent you living in a social house?

so in fact you were probabaly one step away from being homeless or kipping on someones couch/floor.

maybe they were not as lucky as you as werent considered as top priority for housing

Yeah but he's not asking for money from strangers, well he is but they put money every week in his bank account so it's completely different.

[shahedz]

Originally Posted by bosque

Yeah but he's not asking for money from strangers, well he is but they put money every week in his bank account so it's completely different.

So basically he's just a little luckier than the poor fella on the street?

[aandpwoodley]

I know what you mean but I can't help feel sorry for them & give them any spare change I have, soft touch I guess

[paulyoung666]

i read the thread title and thought you had been made homeless OP .....

anyhow , i stay away form city centres and therefore do not see beggars on every corner , as for charities , i am sick of seeing reports about how much does not go to the people that need the money ............

[Phil57]

Originally Posted by kopchoir

Few tales from me

I've seen a chap finish his Saturday job and jumped into his black Merc. He ditched his ripped McDonalds coffee cup that he had used. Took of his shoes and took out an expensive pair of trainers from his boot and merrily drove off.

So, just to be clear, an individual works for a living, finishes his job (for the day?) jumps into his car, changes his shoes and drives off......................................What is so wrong with that?

[SBT]

Originally Posted by hopeless

You should've checked out Wandsworth prison back in 2003. Not quite the holiday camp everyone makes it out to be. My cell held 2 prisoners with a bunk bed. The mattress I slept on was so old and used it was about an inch thick. The metal frame of the bed dug into my body and was incredibly uncomfortable. No TV's, no radios no playstations. Just a desk and chair and toilet next to the bed with no door for privacy. If you wanted to take a dump, you just take it while your cell mate is there 2 feet from you. Because I was there on remand, my daily meal consisted of 1 and potato. The 1 was an orange, which I ate and threw the uncooked potato away.

When I got out, the prison had 'misplaced' my wallet which the guards had obviously stole. But still I did get a doggy bag with a 10p Chomp bar and 12.5g of Golden Virginia, so it wasn't all that bad.

It's prison,it's supposed to be like that
Even if they are more like hotels these days.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by SBT

It's prison,it's supposed to be like that
Even if they are more like hotels these days.

at the risk of going off topic , are they though .......

[travid]

Originally Posted by hopeless

Stopped smoking skunk. That stuff was seriously messing with my mind, then spent the next few years trying to rebuild my life but failing every time. It's like trying to rebuild on rubble, my life kept on collapsing. So piece by piece I'm clearing the rubbish and building my life up again.

Cheers. No I can't prove it. Surrey police said Wandsworth had my wallet and Wandsworth said Surrey police had it. I gave up after 30mins. There was only £5 in it anyway.. but it was my last £5! All I had were the clothes I was wearing. I had no idea what direction I was supposed to be going. Every where and no where was my home. Crazy days.

I never begged on the street though as something always turned up.

I'm honestly very happy that you have it sorted.

I apologise if I came over too harsh. Perhaps I am in a stressful job after all.

But for the grace of ....., is an apt saying. Good luck!!

[travid]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

at the risk of going off topic , are they though .......

Nope, is as simple as I can explain it.

At the risk of sounding too PC, prison and the denial of someones liberty is the punishment, not an excuse for inhumane conditions.

Please remember that this type of atmosphere can dehumanise the staff. I know, I've been there and it is not somewhere most of us would want to be.