[Desmo]

Originally Posted by GBDG1

I'm looking at shakes at the moment as because it's very hard to eat enough protein. According to what I've read on my macro nutrient diet I need to be eating about 200g of protein a day. That's equal to 6.5 chicken breasts! Unsure of how to do that without also taking in way too much fat by eating loads of meat.

Hard to say without seeing your full diet, but turkey has less fat than chicken. There's quark and cottage cheese which has a decent amount of protein in it too. Are some of your other foods fat heavy? Maybe cut back on them a little to allow for more protein and fat in something else?

I'm not saying shakes are a bad thing, I have them myself. But they are not a food replacement. You said above that time was an issue...you can't just have a shake instead of a meal.

Sorry if it looks like I'm being picky, but I want to try and help and get you the best diet you can (within the boundaries of my knowledge, I'll never claim to be a nutritional expert)

[Boozehound]

GBD, the shakes are supplemental fella and I'd guess that using them as meal replacements will do more harm than good.

When I get in late I usually just use my steamer to cook some chicken, turkey or fish and frozen veg. Wash that down with a shake and the job's a good 'un.

[GBDG1]

Originally Posted by Desmo

Hard to say without seeing your full diet, but turkey has less fat than chicken. There's quark and cottage cheese which has a decent amount of protein in it too. Are some of your other foods fat heavy? Maybe cut back on them a little to allow for more protein and fat in something else?

I'm not saying shakes are a bad thing, I have them myself. But they are not a food replacement. You said above that time was an issue...you can't just have a shake instead of a meal.

Sorry if it looks like I'm being picky, but I want to try and help and get you the best diet you can (within the boundaries of my knowledge, I'll never claim to be a nutritional expert)

No problem at all - I'm asking so that I can learn!

If I add you as a friend on myfitnesspal can you view my diet? If so, I would be glad of any pointers.

[sniffer66]

Originally Posted by GBDG1

No problem at all - I'm asking so that I can learn!

If I add you as a friend on myfitnesspal can you view my diet? If so, I would be glad of any pointers.

You can add me as well. Sniffer66

[Mr_Wistles]

Anyone seen the pictures of Jodie Marsh? Apologies for posting a link to the drivel which is the Sun but they have the best pictures.

Jodie Marsh is Jodie harsh | The Sun |Showbiz|Bizarre

Apparently she has been filmed throughout so it will be intersting to see her diet and regime. All that in such a short space of time is incredibly impressive but I don't think it is natural for a woman to look like that IMO.

[Desmo]

I'm Desmo on fitnesspal as well

I don't use it a great deal but more than happy to take a look at yours for you

[Desmo]

We know the guy who prepped her....I think their time scales are a little off with a few things, who'd ever expect The Sun to be accurate

[GBDG1]

Originally Posted by Desmo

I'm Desmo on fitnesspal as well

I don't use it a great deal but more than happy to take a look at yours for you

Added you and Sniffer on there.

I'm finding the app quite good, although it seems to way over estimate the number of calories burned for cardio exercise and it gives you 0 calories burned for any type of weights. So you can do a 1hr weight session and that's 0 calories. Where it was trying to say 10 minutes on a cross trainer is 250 calories yesterday.

[Robothamster]

Have you seen this?

Jodie Marsh shows off her amazing new look as she makes her bodybuilding debut | Mail Online

[Desmo]

Look a few posts up

[Robothamster]

Oops lol - to be fair I was just shutting my pc down.

[shodan]

Right, I've been aware of the weight creeping up slowly for sometime now, so I've decided to do something about it. I'm going to ignore it...

Nah just kidding. I'm 34 years old, have two kids under 5 years old, work as an average 45+ hours a week. I'm 5ft 8" tall and about 13 stone. I actualy have quite a stocky build so don't look too bad with a shirt on. I don't know my exact weight but I'm looking to lose about a stone but the exacts of it aren't that important to me, its more important how I feel about myself. That is my yardstick.

About 10 years ago I was very fit and very strong. Trained in karate 3 times a week, swimming and other sports but a motorbike crash, change of job, moving house and starting a family all seemed to take over and exercise went out of the window. But being podgy has inspired me to put the biscuits down and get off the sofa..

Found a karate club that seems to tick all the right boxes for me and tonight, I went swimming!
At £3.80 I thought it was quite cheap, but it was very busy there.

If I'm honest, I did better than I thought I would. Its a 25m pool and with reguar breaks I managed 30 laps in about 25 minutes. I felt like I could've done another 10, possibly 20 at a real push but the pains were starting to come on and I didn't want to damage myself and lose motivation so early. But 30 lengths was a good achievement as I expected to be falling apart after 10 lengths because I haven't been swimming properly for nearly a decade!

So I'm hoping to be able to train with the swimming and karate up to 3 times a week if possible. We'll see...

I've also downloaded the calorie counter app thingymabob from My Fitness Pal as I'm a lazy and greedy eater.. It came out that I've consumed about 500 calories less than I should have and I don't know if that is good or bad and what to do about it. My greatest food weakness is that I HATE feeling hungry and I'm too lazy to prepare the right foods...

Anyways, laying on my bed basking in the glow of pleasantly aching muscles and hoping I can keep this level of motivation up!!!

[GBDG1]

Originally Posted by shodan

I've also downloaded the calorie counter app thingymabob from My Fitness Pal as I'm a lazy and greedy eater.. It came out that I've consumed about 500 calories less than I should have and I don't know if that is good or bad and what to do about it. My greatest food weakness is that I HATE feeling hungry and I'm too lazy to prepare the right foods...

Anyways, laying on my bed basking in the glow of pleasantly aching muscles and hoping I can keep this level of motivation up!!!

When you set up my fitness pal it should have given you the option to set a weight loss goal of xlb per week. It will then tell you how many calories you can eat to achieve that. Simple but effective.

Exercise helps with managing diet. Once you've murdered yourself in the gym, it's very easy to resist a chocolate bar, when you realise that it renders your x minutes of Y completely pointless (to a degree).

Find foods that are filling but not fattening, I eat a lot of fruit. Although I have it fairly easy as I am not a fussy eater so eating dry chicken + boiled veg doesn't bother me at all. When I started out the first thing was to only eat meals with no snacks (maybe a bit of fruit). This got me in the routine of resisting temptation. As with anything it's just about developing good habits.

[wbabbington]

Ok, I'm confused. Why are meal replacement shakes bad? I've been using myproteins' mrp shakes for a few months am think they are great.

Got a high amount of protein, and a smaller amount of carbs, fat then I would get if I had cereal etc. They only have about 300 calories (400 if I use milk) and taste just like a smoothie. So why is this worse then say having a mrp bar?

[Desmo]

They're not bad in themselves and they can be a good extra bit of "food" to get some more calories down your neck. What I'm saying is that they are not a good replacement for a normal meal like dinner, which is what was asked above. If somebody asks me can I have a meal replacement shake instead of dinner I'd always say no. There is far more to food than just protein, fats and carbs.

[sniffer66]

Originally Posted by Desmo

They're not bad in themselves and they can be a good extra bit of "food" to get some more calories down your neck. What I'm saying is that they are not a good replacement for a normal meal like dinner, which is what was asked above. If somebody asks me can I have a meal replacement shake instead of dinner I'd always say no. There is far more to food than just protein, fats and carbs.

Agreed. I tend to have 3 biggish meals each day and "snack" inbetween with a shake and maybe some/nuts or fruit.

That way I dont go hungry causing me to binge and manage to get my protein in between solid protein and the whey.

[sniffer66]

Originally Posted by GBDG1

When you set up my fitness pal it should have given you the option to set a weight loss goal of xlb per week. It will then tell you how many calories you can eat to achieve that. Simple but effective.

Exercise helps with managing diet. Once you've murdered yourself in the gym, it's very easy to resist a chocolate bar, when you realise that it renders your x minutes of Y completely pointless (to a degree).

Find foods that are filling but not fattening, I eat a lot of fruit. Although I have it fairly easy as I am not a fussy eater so eating dry chicken + boiled veg doesn't bother me at all. When I started out the first thing was to only eat meals with no snacks (maybe a bit of fruit). This got me in the routine of resisting temptation. As with anything it's just about developing good habits.

I see you are using myfitnesspal as it was designed on their site. I put up a biggish post on one of the previous threads in this Workout series re setting macro percentages manually i.e 35/35/30 PCF and ignoring the concept of eating your workout calories

if you are familair with the theory behind TDEE and BMR then what the myfitnesspal site does with that concept is good. But like you say they seriosuly over-estimate calorie burn for cardio

I ended up going with Simons 12 calories per pound of bodyweight suggestion and ignoring the exercise deductions. I've then adjusted that figure for me based on real world results

I'll see if I can dig out the post

[shodan]

Originally Posted by sniffer66

I see you are using myfitnesspal as it was designed on their site. I put up a biggish post on one of the previous threads in this Workout series re setting macro percentages manually i.e 35/35/30 PCF and ignoring the concept of eating your workout calories

if you are familair with the theory behind TDEE and BMR then what the myfitnesspal site does with that concept is good. But like you say they seriosuly over-estimate calorie burn for cardio

I ended up going with Simons 12 calories per pound of bodyweight suggestion and ignoring the exercise deductions. I've then adjusted that figure for me based on real world results

I'll see if I can dig out the post

I have no idea what that means?

[GBDG1]

Originally Posted by sniffer66

I see you are using myfitnesspal as it was designed on their site. I put up a biggish post on one of the previous threads in this Workout series re setting macro percentages manually i.e 35/35/30 PCF and ignoring the concept of eating your workout calories

I'm not at the moment. I was mentioning it to Shodan as it's quite simple to follow.

[snorbawod]

I used to do a bit a few years ago but now my body is a temple of doom! I could blame the lack of fitness/sports and the fact that i'm partiall to the odd bottle of liquid gold (cider). I still play footy on a Monday & Friday at the ripe old age of 46 but find it hard to really put a lot of energy in to it. I used to do me own work out 3 times a week and ended up fatter than i am now, so looked at a few routines on the web and it sorted me out. Now, with work, a little baby and all the other things going on i find it impossible to do owt.

Good luck to all you people that persevere with it.

[shodan]

Originally Posted by snorbawod

I used to do a bit a few years ago but now my body is a temple of doom! I could blame the lack of fitness/sports and the fact that i'm partiall to the odd bottle of liquid gold (cider). I still play footy on a Monday & Friday at the ripe old age of 46 but find it hard to really put a lot of energy in to it. I used to do me own work out 3 times a week and ended up fatter than i am now, so looked at a few routines on the web and it sorted me out. Now, with work, a little baby and all the other things going on i find it impossible to do owt.

Good luck to all you people that persevere with it.

46 years old and you have a little baby? Bloody hell that sounds horrific to me!!! I'm 34 and my youngest is almost 2y/o and i am SO glad I've had the snip!!!

[mr ooops]

40 with a 6 month old, exercise is getting less and less now, manage 3 kickboxing lessons a week, but my running and weights are getting less and less, need to replan my (little) spare time

[Robothamster]

Jodie Marsh

Sheva from Mortal Kombat

[IronGiant]

Awesome

[antg1985]

Do any of you guys work out 1st thing in the morning? I don't start work until 10 tomorrow so want to work out early rather than when I get home.

Should I get up early eat breakfast then after an hour work out? OR do I workout then have breakfast?

What do you guys advise?

[Mr_Wistles]

I get to the gym at around 5.50am, workout for an hour, have a CNP Pro Recovery when I get home. 1.5 hour commute to work and then have a meal replacement shake for breakfast.

We are all different see what works for you. If it is a one off I don't think it will really matter.

[antg1985]

I want to start doing it regularly, I rideto work 3 times a week after eating oats about an hour before.

I could make a shake with semi skimmed milk, protein powder and my protein fine oats, neck that then work out half hour after, see how that works. Then have a banana or something after?

What do u think?

[Desmo]

I don't think I could train with any intensity without some food to power me along. Tried it over a couple of days, some with food and some without and see how you get on.

[sniffer66]

I often cycle 10 miles on nothing but coffee and a plain whey shake\water first thing in the morning. Then I have a big bowl of porridge when I get to work. Works fine for me

The coffee may just give you that spike to get you through the workout

[Desmo]

I guess it also comes down to what you're doing. I could manage a short cycle, run or bit of cardio but if we're talking weights, I'd probably be 20% down on what I could normally lift which kind of makes it a bit pointless. You can never really waste your time with cardio but you can with your weights.