[FZR400RRSP]

Originally Posted by shahedz

They take no pride in the flat as they don't own it.

To be honest, I found a general lack of interest in maintenance with owner/occupiers in flats too.
They view flats as something temporary.
So getting owner/occupiers to stump up for maintenance of communal areas was often as hard as tennants.
This was, of course, in a block that had nothing in the deeds about maintenance, it was all just down to 'goodwill'.
And the state of the place now reflects that overall lack of interest.
I'm just glad I sold mine while the building was still in relatively decent nick.

Really, truthfully, I found flat life hellish.
Moving into a house made all the difference and I hope I never have to go back to a flat.

[kevykat]

Originally Posted by FZR400RRSP

To be honest, I found a general lack of interest in maintenance with owner/occupiers in flats too.
They view flats as something temporary.
So getting owner/occupiers to stump up for maintenance of communal areas was often as hard as tennants.
This was, of course, in a block that had nothing in the deeds about maintenance, it was all just down to 'goodwill'.
And the state of the place now reflects that overall lack of interest.
I'm just glad I sold mine while the building was still in relatively decent nick.

Really, truthfully, I found flat life hellish.
Moving into a house made all the difference and I hope I never have to go back to a flat.

I know factors are good ideas, and some can be expensive too.
like you said try to get folk to stump up money i totally agree.
but thing is if i we to pay some money along with the rest of the "owners" its not going to change the way the council tenants treat the place. plus at the mo i pay near £700 on my mortgage. i couldnt afford to pay out for anything else due to other commitments

[bouncer]

Im in the same boat as someone else in here, Im going deaf so I watch TV at a higher volume, And play games with high volume so I can hear whats going on, My Music plays at top volume so I can hear and enjoy my music.

Just because your neighbours are "scum" doesn't mean that everyone that lives in ha rented properties is. Just because they don't work doesn't mean they lazy, selfish, inconsiderate, scum, total wasters, scumbags, or any other derogatory term you used.

Also I talk VERY loudly, The level you speak at tends to do with how loud you hear yourself, Its why people "shout" when they have earphones in, Well thats me on a daily basis.

As for loud sex, As young guy, Just becasue me and my partner have loud sex means we shouldn't be doing it at all? Its loud because its great. Buy some earplugs.

[Boozehound]

I live in a block and to be honest, I get on pretty well with my neighbours. The one thing that does drive me nuts though is the garden. When I first moved in it was very well kept but now there's rubbish everywhere and even a bloody fridge! I spent a whole weekend getting the place up to scratch in the summer and thought I was on a winner as there were a couple of flats for sale (nice garden - good for potential buyers) and a few of my neighbours dropped me in some beers but such is life, the place is back to square one. It's very frustrating, particularly as the neighbours are decent folk most of the time.

[kevykat]

Originally Posted by bouncer

Im in the same boat as someone else in here, Im going deaf so I watch TV at a higher volume, And play games with high volume so I can hear whats going on, My Music plays at top volume so I can hear and enjoy my music.

Just because your neighbours are "scum" doesn't mean that everyone that lives in ha rented properties is. Just because they don't work doesn't mean they lazy, selfish, inconsiderate, scum, total wasters, scumbags, or any other derogatory term you used.

Also I talk VERY loudly, The level you speak at tends to do with how loud you hear yourself, Its why people "shout" when they have earphones in, Well thats me on a daily basis.

As for loud sex, As young guy, Just becasue me and my partner have loud sex means we shouldn't be doing it at all? Its loud because its great. Buy some earplugs.

Well sorry to say but you do sound like a crap neighbour. If your going deaf get a good set of gaming head phones. Im not deaf and i prefer to use them or the surround sound.
And as to say because they dont work doesnt make them lasy. our neighbour sits around all day doin bugger all then gets wasted on weed and booze listening to crap dance music so loud there is no need.
If u stay in a flat you must have consideration for others or you will end up getting yourself into 5hit

[Gary D]

Originally Posted by bouncer

Im in the same boat as someone else in here, Im going deaf so I watch TV at a higher volume, And play games with high volume so I can hear whats going on, My Music plays at top volume so I can hear and enjoy my music.

Just because your neighbours are "scum" doesn't mean that everyone that lives in ha rented properties is. Just because they don't work doesn't mean they lazy, selfish, inconsiderate, scum, total wasters, scumbags, or any other derogatory term you used.

Also I talk VERY loudly, The level you speak at tends to do with how loud you hear yourself, Its why people "shout" when they have earphones in, Well thats me on a daily basis.

As for loud sex, As young guy, Just becasue me and my partner have loud sex means we shouldn't be doing it at all? Its loud because its great. Buy some earplugs.

Bouncer that's one of the most selfish posts I've ever read. Buy some headphones!!! just because you are going deaf doesn't mean that everyone has to suffer. Or do you think they should? Any chance you can post your address so none us have to move in near you.

as for sex I'm guessing that you don't have kids then? Wait until you have rug rats that will change your volume level - unless of course you welcome answering questions on why your hurting mummy. Moderate your noise levels and think of someone else for a change.

G

[bouncer]

Originally Posted by kevykat

Well sorry to say but you do sound like a crap neighbour. If your going deaf get a good set of gaming head phones. Im not deaf and i prefer to use them or the surround sound.
And as to say because they dont work doesnt make them lasy. our neighbour sits around all day doin bugger all then gets wasted on weed and booze listening to crap dance music so loud there is no need.
If u stay in a flat you must have consideration for others or you will end up getting yourself into 5hit

I don't work but im not lazy, Unable to find work in alot of places due to hearing loss. Making it buying headphones not in my budget.

Im not a "crap" neighbour, My neigbours know how to get a hold of me and let me know if its too loud, and I will be happy to turn it down. As for headphones/ earphones, I've been advised not to stick anything in my ears. Doctors orders.

As for sex, Its not my noise level. It is moderated but what are you ment to do with paper walls?

[kevykat]

Originally Posted by bouncer

I don't work but im not lazy, Unable to find work in alot of places due to hearing loss. Making it buying headphones not in my budget.

Im not a "crap" neighbour, My neigbours know how to get a hold of me and let me know if its too loud, and I will be happy to turn it down. As for headphones/ earphones, I've been advised not to stick anything in my ears. Doctors orders.

As for sex, Its not my noise level. It is moderated but what are you ment to do with paper walls?

the point im making is if you were a good neighbour you woundnt have to be asked to turn down the volume

[Gary D]

Originally Posted by bouncer

I've been advised not to stick anything in my ears. Doctors orders.

I've got 2 pairs of headphones that sit on or over my ears - i can also play them very loud and people can't hear them at all because they are closed back. I'd ask your neighbours to chip in and buy you some, what do you need about £30. If you were my neighbour I'd buy you a pair.

G

[dejongj]

Whilst it is the other extreme I think it just demonstrate that everybody needs to be a little bit more tolerant. Just like one should watch what they do when living closely to other people, other people should appreciate that by living in such an environment you are going to get more annoyances than if you lived in a detached property in the countryside. But I can tell you, you get different annoyances. Key is to live in harmony.

Heck today we got so much shadow in our garden because this huge red kite keeps flying over. Who do I complain to?

My nan is heard of hearing as well, her telly can be LOUD, but she also goes to bed before 9.

And trust me you wouldn't want to live next door to me when I had a curry ;-)

[bouncer]

Originally Posted by kevykat

the point im making is if you were a good neighbour you woundnt have to be asked to turn down the volume

Well the fact that if im asked to turn it downs makes me a better neighbour that your imo

People have different tolerances to what's loud.

Only on occasion am I ever asked to turn it down, Like twice a year.

My partner can hear my neighbours snoring, What am I meant to do there?

[Deadringers]

Originally Posted by dejongj

Whilst it is the other extreme I think it just demonstrate that everybody needs to be a little bit more tolerant. Just like one should watch what they do when living closely to other people, other people should appreciate that by living in such an environment you are going to get more annoyances than if you lived in a detached property in the countryside. But I can tell you, you get different annoyances. Key is to live in harmony.

Heck today we got so much shadow in our garden because this huge red kite keeps flying over. Who do I complain to?

My nan is heard of hearing as well, her telly can be LOUD, but she also goes to bed before 9.

And trust me you wouldn't want to live next door to me when I had a curry ;-)

As long as it is a nice one with proper meat and you share it with me you can have all the curry you like

[kevykat]

Originally Posted by dejongj

Whilst it is the other extreme I think it just demonstrate that everybody needs to be a little bit more tolerant. Just like one should watch what they do when living closely to other people, other people should appreciate that by living in such an environment you are going to get more annoyances than if you lived in a detached property in the countryside. But I can tell you, you get different annoyances. Key is to live in harmony.

Heck today we got so much shadow in our garden because this huge red kite keeps flying over. Who do I complain to?

My nan is heard of hearing as well, her telly can be LOUD, but she also goes to bed before 9.

And trust me you wouldn't want to live next door to me when I had a curry ;-)

Oh i am tolerant to an extent. Im not complaing if theres DIY getting done, windows and doors being slammed. But when theres music louder than the volume of my own tv its not on. My mrs told em once if they could turn it down and the teenage son told her to **** off. Ive banged on my floor at them before, usual response they bang back and turn it up louder. should i be tolerant of that?

[dejongj]

With teenagers, probably I think so. All depends on the circumstances time of day etc. Now if they do that every day after 10pm then as suggested before record the log, record the decibels and you can do some serious damage to them when you file an official complaint and be prepared.

[kevykat]

Originally Posted by bouncer

Well the fact that if im asked to turn it downs makes me a better neighbour that your imo

People have different tolerances to what's loud.

Only on occasion am I ever asked to turn it down, Like twice a year.

My partner can hear my neighbours snoring, What am I meant to do there?

Ye thats twice too many though. We told our neighbours twice and gave up cos clearly they aint bothered.
You could be in the same boat

[Miyazaki]

Originally Posted by bouncer

Well the fact that if im asked to turn it downs makes me a better neighbour that your imo

People have different tolerances to what's loud.

Only on occasion am I ever asked to turn it down, Like twice a year.

My partner can hear my neighbours snoring, What am I meant to do there?

Just to politely inform you that it is against the law and environmental health and the police could be called to your house to ask you to turn it down.

If you refuse environmental health you could end up in court with your equipment confiscated and/or a hefty fine.

In my experience if your neighbours have to ask you to turn it down, it's usually because they have had enough, it's the tip of the iceberg so it speak.

Why should they have to ask you to turn it down?

If my neighbours ever asked me that I would be mortified and would reduce the volume of my TV or music at all times.

[Deadringers]

Originally Posted by Miyazaki

Just to politely inform you that it is against the law and environmental health and the police could be called to your house to ask you to turn it down.

If you refuse environmental health you could end up in court with your equipment confiscated and/or a hefty fine.

In my experience if your neighbours have to ask you to turn it down, it's usually because they have had enough, it's the tip of the iceberg so it speak.

Why should they have to ask you to turn it down?

If my neighbours ever asked me that I would be mortified and would reduce the volume of my TV or music at all times.

Indeed!

[bouncer]

Well ive already spoken to the council to find out what is acceptable and at what times is jsut fine, We had an agreement, They council say its fine.

[kevykat]

Originally Posted by Miyazaki

Just to politely inform you that it is against the law and environmental health and the police could be called to your house to ask you to turn it down.

If you refuse environmental health you could end up in court with your equipment confiscated and/or a hefty fine.

In my experience if your neighbours have to ask you to turn it down, it's usually because they have had enough, it's the tip of the iceberg so it speak.

Why should they have to ask you to turn it down?

If my neighbours ever asked me that I would be mortified and would reduce the volume of my TV or music at all times.

THANK YOU
I would apologise profusely, and note what the volume was and not turn my sound system that high ever.
as were we mortified that we got accused of animal cruelty when it was all made up and as we were accused of dumping a toilet in the communal bun store.
cos we were doing up our bath room someone put 2 and 2 together and got 5. i took all our rubbish to the local tip. so i got the blame cos people dont know the facts

[kevykat]

Originally Posted by bouncer

Well ive already spoken to the council to find out what is acceptable and at what times is jsut fine, We had an agreement, They council say its fine.

a nuisance is a nuisance regardless of what time it is.
A saturday a while back i just wanted to relax at home. from 12 noon til 3 i put up with f'ing dance music from down stairs. banged on the floor it got louder, they wouldnt answer there door so called the police, music stopped so cancelled the police visit so watch yourself

[Citizen J]

Originally Posted by dejongj

Whilst it is the other extreme I think it just demonstrate that everybody needs to be a little bit more tolerant. Just like one should watch what they do when living closely to other people, other people should appreciate that by living in such an environment you are going to get more annoyances than if you lived in a detached property in the countryside. But I can tell you, you get different annoyances. Key is to live in harmony.

Dejongj have you ever lived amongst difficult neighbours? To say it is soul destroying would not be an exaggeration. I am a very tolerant individual in fact too tolerant the majority of the time, but in the past I have had folk living above me shouting obscenities at 3:00AM, smashing plates and swearing continuously in front of their young kid.

Eventually tolerance becomes weakness and you have to do something. In this situation nothing was done from me personally and the situation resolved itself, however this is not always an eventuality.

[STOWITBELOW]

Well it's good to hear all these forum members are such good, considerate, neighbours I'll pose the question, has anyone any first hand knowledge of prosecution by Environmental health, or the Police, or successful sanctions by the council. (ie your neighbour - not someone you read about) That subsequently resolved the problem.

[Miyazaki]

Originally Posted by STOWITBELOW

Well it's good to hear all these forum members are such good, considerate, neighbours I'll pose the question, has anyone any first hand knowledge of prosecution by Environmental health, or the Police, or successful sanctions by the council. (ie your neighbour - not someone you read about) That subsequently resolved the problem.

We called environmental health on our neighbour after they had one too many parties until 5am. The music was so loud we had to raise our voices to even speak to each other in our house.

When environmental health came and explained to them why what they were doing was wrong, it hasn't happened since.

Some people are so thick and ignorant that there is no other solution.

[shahedz]

Originally Posted by FZR400RRSP

To be honest, I found a general lack of interest in maintenance with owner/occupiers in flats too.
They view flats as something temporary.
So getting owner/occupiers to stump up for maintenance of communal areas was often as hard as tennants.
This was, of course, in a block that had nothing in the deeds about maintenance, it was all just down to 'goodwill'.
And the state of the place now reflects that overall lack of interest.
I'm just glad I sold mine while the building was still in relatively decent nick.

Really, truthfully, I found flat life hellish.
Moving into a house made all the difference and I hope I never have to go back to a flat.

You're right there too. my service charge and ground rent are £2400 a year and i know a lot of the occupiers try and avoid paying.

My direct neighbours on my floor are awesome , very good friends with the guy opposite and the guy next to him as well as the girl on my left who happens to be my sister's best friend. It's the odd one or two who ruin it for most. I would consider a flat again but only if there was less than 25 in a block. But house anyday of the week over a flat.

[kevykat]

buy headphones and tell your boyfriend/girlfriend to quiet down a bit

[FZR400RRSP]

Originally Posted by Citizen J

Eventually tolerance becomes weakness and you have to do something.

Hear hear.
And anyone critical of those who take action themselves has no experience of how soul-destroying it can be to try and use official methods.
TBH, in several instances of dealing with annoying neighbours my attempts to even try official methods decreased and I went straight to direct action.

I know full well what it's like to live 'on edge' all the time, because of noisy/inconsiderate neighbours.
And I feel desperately sorry for anyone on here going through it.

[dejongj]

Originally Posted by Citizen J

Dejongj have you ever lived amongst difficult neighbours? To say it is soul destroying would not be an exaggeration. I am a very tolerant individual in fact too tolerant the majority of the time, but in the past I have had folk living above me shouting obscenities at 3:00AM, smashing plates and swearing continuously in front of their young kid.

Eventually tolerance becomes weakness and you have to do something. In this situation nothing was done from me personally and the situation resolved itself, however this is not always an eventuality.

Yes, see my post early on in the thread, and in our current rural detached house setting. We were under attack for months on end, had a fight with the police, filed a complaint against the police for lying as they said they came to investigate and nothing was happening and they were rather embarrassed when I showed them the video which clearly demonstrated they were not there. Anyway weeks and weeks of recording obscenity, measuring sound levels eventually resulted in the kids of very rich people and some of their friend with an ASBO. And luckily it has stopped since. It was a shame they were so stupid it had to come to that.

But yes during that period my wife was ready to just leave the house.

And then there is still the bitter old git of a farmer who is rather aggressive and even stops us from repairing our fence that his livestock has ruined but he kindly repaired that for us with barbwire nice with little children. But to be honest even his own children have a hard time with him as he is not fully there upstairs and will be gone soon. No doubt in a bitter and twisted last attempt hell sell the land to the travelling community which is the biggest and real concern with the people in our village.

We all have our different crosses...

[dejongj]

Originally Posted by STOWITBELOW

Well it's good to hear all these forum members are such good, considerate, neighbours I'll pose the question, has anyone any first hand knowledge of prosecution by Environmental health, or the Police, or successful sanctions by the council. (ie your neighbour - not someone you read about) That subsequently resolved the problem.

Yes. Took a long time and a lot of log keeping but ultimately we got there and it never returned. Frustrating and unnecessary fights with the council and the police and either tells you to go to the other, and neither show up when it is actually required.

So keep your log book ready, video camera in position, photo camera charged. And load up those decibel meters on your smartphone of choice. You are going to need it all.

Just hope you don't have a stench problem as I don't know how you are going to record the evidence of that other than collecting it

[kevykat]

Originally Posted by dejongj

Yes. Took a long time and a lot of log keeping but ultimately we got there and it never returned. Frustrating and unnecessary fights with the council and the police and either tells you to go to the other, and neither show up when it is actually required.

So keep your log book ready, video camera in position, photo camera charged. And load up those decibel meters on your smartphone of choice. You are going to need it all.

Just hope you don't have a stench problem as I don't know how you are going to record the evidence of that other than collecting it

we have the smell of cannabis problem every weekend and sometime during the week. cops better sort it out soon

Just bought a decibel meter so at least now i can record dates,time,durations and sound levels

[STOWITBELOW]

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