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[RMCF]

Why not, seems to be no pandemic happening over here anyway ...

The Culture of Fear strikes again. Half the population affected, my arse.

[Mullicious]

Originally Posted by RMCF

Why not, seems to be no pandemic happening over here anyway ...

The Culture of Fear strikes again. Half the population affected, my arse.

I've been saying this for the past 6 month. I got jeered and insulted on this forum.

Alas, It's near October, and where the hell are all the sick people?

Game set and match, in my humble opinion. To all those who took the **** out of me previously, wait till it mutates then come back and bitch and moan at me.

[GasDad]

Originally Posted by Mullicious

I've been saying this for the past 6 month. I got jeered and insulted on this forum.

Alas, It's near October, and where the hell are all the sick people?

Coming this autumn as predicted presumably.

Game set and match, in my humble opinion. To all those who took the **** out of me previously, wait till it mutates then come back and bitch and moan at me.

We took the **** out of you, because you presented no evidence to back up your rather stupid claims.

But hey.

[Mullicious]

Originally Posted by GasDad

Coming this autumn as predicted presumably.



We took the **** out of you, because you presented no evidence to back up your rather stupid claims.

But hey.

I presented respected medical opinion, not the media's medical opinion. You didn't provide any solid evidence against my claims, either. It was just that yours is the 'accepted' as the media fear monging train wanted you to be scared.

The proof is in the pudding, as they say. I've been proving my point all summer, and will continue to do so over the autumn and winter. Thanks for your brilliant response.

[GasDad]

Originally Posted by Mullicious

I presented respected medical opinion, not the media's medical opinion. You didn't provide any solid evidence against my claims, either. It was just that yours is the 'accepted' as the media fear monging train wanted you to be scared.

The proof is in the pudding, as they say. I've been proving my point all summer, and will continue to do so over the autumn and winter. Thanks for your brilliant response.

My 'Media' include Nature et al.

Lets take the simplest media reported fact about the swine flu pandemic - that around 1/3 of the population will get it.

According to you that is nonsense and there is no scientific evidence to support that theory. (at least that is what you've claimed in this post)

Of course the fact that every other flu pandemic in the last century also infected at least a third of the population isn't according to you a reasonable basis on which to make such a claim.

Please could you give us a link to the literature that gives a detailed explanation as to why this won't be the case.

The sum total of your arguments to date, can simply be paraphrased as "I'm right your wrong - nah nah nah". So please stop debating like a child, and provide some real evidence, to back up your claims.


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[Mullicious]

Originally Posted by GasDad

My 'Media' include Nature et al.

Lets take the simplest media reported fact about the swine flu pandemic - that around 1/3 of the population will get it.

According to you that is nonsense and there is no scientific evidence to support that theory. (at least that is what you've claimed in this post)

Of course the fact that every other flu pandemic in the last century also infected at least a third of the population isn't according to you a reasonable basis on which to make such a claim.

Please could you give us a link to the literature that gives a detailed explanation as to why this won't be the case.

The sum total of your arguments to date, can simply be paraphrased as "I'm right your wrong - nah nah nah". So please stop debating like a child, and provide some real evidence, to back up your claims.


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I'm sorry, but just because past flus have infected 1/3 of the population, does not mean the current population will. We have much better precautionary methods, and better hygene.

I can't provide any counter evidence, if you won't provide any evidence to support your claims, other than the past events, which can be barely applied to modern day.

[GasDad]

Originally Posted by Mullicious

I'm sorry, but just because past flus have infected 1/3 of the population, does not mean the current population will. We have much better precautionary methods, and better hygene.

And we sit on crowded trains, planes and buses. Travel much more widely to work and interact with far more people on a day to day basis. It is highly likely that those simple facts mean that the 1/3 possible infection rate is understating the case.

What precautionary methods are you talking about.?

The only possible argument I can find that would in anyway support your claim, is from the following: "Increased humand contact, means the people are more exposed to mutiple strains of influenza virus, and so build up some degree of resistance to seasonal flu variations." An example of a paper expousing this theory can be found here PubMed Home.

However H1N1 is (in terms of human resistance) found to be very novel. As such infection rates are substantially higher than seasonal flu - as reported here

If that is the case (and it seems to be supported by evidence from the field), then given the increased contact of modern society, a lot of people are going to get the flu.

I can't provide any counter evidence, if you won't provide any evidence to support your claims, other than the past events, which can be barely applied to modern day.

Please explain what has changed in human physiology since the last pandemic in the 70's, that suddenly means that humans are now substantially less susceptible to novel influenza.