David Blaine versus Derren Brown

THE AMATUER · 12-09-2009, 5:57 PM

Did anyone happen to watch David Blaines new magic show last night as well. He done a lottery trick that blew Derrens out the water in my opinion.

He done his normal wandering around the city chatting to people thing and when a group gathered he got them to name random numbers, one bloke was on his mobile and got the girl he was chatting to to name a number too. When he got 6 numbers Blaine pulled a lottery ticket out of his wallet which matched the six numbers the people gave.

He also done a gun shooting stunt, something tells me he is trying to upstage Derren, I must say he was very good.

ROBIN50N · 12-09-2009, 6:12 PM

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Originally Posted by THE AMATUER

Did anyone happen to watch David Blaines new magic show last night as well. He done a lottery trick that blew Derrens out the water in my opinion.

He done his normal wandering around the city chatting to people thing and when a group gathered he got them to name random numbers, one bloke was on his mobile and got the girl he was chatting to to name a number too. When he got 6 numbers Blaine pulled a lottery ticket out of his wallet which matched the six numbers the people gave.

He also done a gun shooting stunt, something tells me he is trying to upstage Derren, I must say he was very good.

agreed. ten times better than derren browns pathetic excuse of a show.

sniffer66 · 12-09-2009, 6:13 PM

Did

signs · 12-09-2009, 6:43 PM

Not bothered ,hate "tricks"

wayne2467 · 12-09-2009, 6:48 PM

I like tricks and i like both these guys for a lot of the stuff they do. I think they are evenly matched with the difference being Blaine does some outrageous stunts. What i dont like is when they use camera tricks and editing as part of there shows.

adbrad · 12-09-2009, 6:49 PM

Blaine is back!!! I went to see him when he did his london stunt. A strange day

wormvortex · 12-09-2009, 7:30 PM

Damn didn't know Blaine had new stuff. Far prefer him to Brown. His stunts have been damn impressive as well. Saw him in London in his box when I was up there one day. Frozen in time looked pretty kool as well in NYC.

shodan · 12-09-2009, 8:23 PM

I'm more Brown than Blaine... (strange thing I never thought I'd say!). At least Brown has something that resembles a personality. Derren that is, not Gordon!!!

JagoPlasma · 12-09-2009, 8:31 PM

Derren everytime. while i watched the blaine thing and thought his tricks were pretty impressive, they were just that, tricks, and probably alot of planted people. and you could blatantly see what blaine was doing durin his card tricks. notice how he always put his hands together?

Derren is just in a league of his own. when it was that knife under the cup thing he had me puckered up! i knew it wouldnt go wrong as it never does, but his carisma and self doubt always gives him that edge! I just love how he can control people and makes unpredictable people predictable.

Obviously you could say he has plants too but i'd give him alot more credit and i think blaine is just a self obsessed knob tbh

24fanboy · 12-09-2009, 9:08 PM

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Obviously you could say he has plants too but i'd give him alot more credit and i think blaine is just a self obsessed knob tbh

Really? Blaine hasn't gone as far as having an hour long show to preach psychological mumbo-jumbo like Brown did on Friday evening. I was waiting for him to finally admit his use of a split screen to switch the balls but he carried on, and carried on, and carried on about his group predictions.

Blaine is far more impressive. I don't agree with the person who said Brown had more of a personality either, Blaines mysterious, cool way of doing tricks is far more engaging than Browns love for hysterics and acting like a kid with ADD.

Bill Hicks · 12-09-2009, 10:13 PM

What is this celebrity deathmatch time again!

Derren Brown used to have much respect from me but this Friday night lottery thing has lost him kudos as far as I'm concerned.

As for the other DB...........

Well after I saw him on GMTV not talking to Eamonn Holmes with the all seeing eye drawn on his palm I thought what a ******!
Any man worth his salt would have given Mr Holmes a black eye given the opportunity!

danmc_82 · 12-09-2009, 10:33 PM

Blaine anyday.

metropolis · 13-09-2009, 6:15 AM

regardless of the abilities of these two individuals,i just cannot watch them.they are both gob****es and have put me off magic.

bring back ali bongo.

JohnG · 13-09-2009, 6:40 AM

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regardless of the abilities of these two individuals,i just cannot watch them.they are both gob****es and have put me off magic.

Same here. They are both just con artists really and are both pretending to be able to do things that they plainly can't do. They also lie and mislead with their explanations about how they do things and that's the main reason I never watch them. I used to watch Blaine when he did card tricks and enjoyed that, but then he started all this other crap and that was the end of me watching him.

Azzin · 13-09-2009, 8:36 AM

I think Blaine is an absolute master of magic!

I just wish he would stick to that, rather than his endurance 'feats'.

Hi 'street shows' are brilliant IMO and he should definately do more of them-if he ever came to London to do a show/performance I would definately be there.

MikeTV · 13-09-2009, 9:09 AM

I like them both. I think Blaine did well with his levitation thing - it got everyone talking. But then he lost me a bit with his stupid stunts. I prefer his street magic. Brown has done well with his lottery gig, because everyone is now talking about it. Although he may have upset some of his die-hard fans, because even they don't believe his explanation, this time. That's usually how he does his misdirection (with an explanation which is usually untrue, but almost plausible - like his ability able to influence people, when in fact he is using sleight of hand, etc). Still, a true showman, and not as pretentious as Blaine.

RuddyRoad · 13-09-2009, 9:42 AM

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bring back ali bongo.

As he died in March of this year, that really would require a bit of special magic - over to you, Blaine and Brown.

mickevh · 13-09-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by THE AMATUER

Did anyone happen to watch David Blaines new magic show last night as well. He done a lottery trick that blew Derrens out the water in my opinion.

He done his normal wandering around the city chatting to people thing and when a group gathered he got them to name random numbers, one bloke was on his mobile and got the girl he was chatting to to name a number too. When he got 6 numbers Blaine pulled a lottery ticket out of his wallet which matched the six numbers the people gave.

He also done a gun shooting stunt, something tells me he is trying to upstage Derren, I must say he was very good.

Plant six schill's is hardly a fabulous new trick. The bullet catch is also pretty old. (I like Pen & Teller's version best, with the Colt Python "magic wands.") Have a watch of the masked magician (endles repeated in ITV4 at the moment) and you'll see many of Blaines tricks expained. He's created himself a new kind of cool by doing them in streetscapes instead of studios.

A lot of Derren's stuff is pretty old too, they're the sort of things clairvoyants, mindreaders and psychics have been doing for years (whilst taking your money off you.) I believe he says as much himself.

I read a card tricks book that points out the "slights" used by magicians don't change much from one performer to another. What marks out one magician from another is the performance (the entertainment) they create arround the trick. You pays your money, you takes your choice.

They are all trying to reinvent the magic show after it went seriously out of favour in the 90's, and credit to them for that.

sniffer66 · 13-09-2009, 12:28 PM

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Same here. They are both just con artists really and are both pretending to be able to do things that they plainly can't do. They also lie and mislead with their explanations about how they do things .

Noooooooo !

You should have used spoiler tags. My belief in magic has been irrevocably
broken

THE AMATUER · 13-09-2009, 5:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mickevh

Plant six schill's is hardly a fabulous new trick. The bullet catch is also pretty old. (I like Pen & Teller's version best, with the Colt Python "magic wands.") Have a watch of the masked magician (endles repeated in ITV4 at the moment) and you'll see many of Blaines tricks expained. He's created himself a new kind of cool by doing them in streetscapes instead of studios.

A lot of Derren's stuff is pretty old too, they're the sort of things clairvoyants, mindreaders and psychics have been doing for years (whilst taking your money off you.) I believe he says as much himself.

I read a card tricks book that points out the "slights" used by magicians don't change much from one performer to another. What marks out one magician from another is the performance (the entertainment) they create arround the trick. You pays your money, you takes your choice.

They are all trying to reinvent the magic show after it went seriously out of favour in the 90's, and credit to them for that.

Derren Brown is different to most in that his act is more mind reading and mental tricks as opposed to card tricks, although Derren is a trained magician as well.

We all know that Blaine is somehow using sleight of hand but some of the stuff he does leaves you speechless. Especially when he put that blokes face onto a dollar bill by taking a picture of him on a mobile phone and the tapping the phone onto the note !!!!! Still can't work that out, never will.

Im a huge Derren fan but the lottery thing was lame in my opinion. He does some amazing mind reading tricks but these big tv shows he does (russian roulette another example) tend to spoil it for him.

As for Blaine he acts like a right tw@t sometimes but I must admit in his latest show he was more smiley and chatty and came across better. I think his PR guy must have had words with him :-)

JohnG · 13-09-2009, 7:21 PM

I'm sorry, but I believe that anyone who claims to be mind reading in their act is just a fraud.

THE AMATUER · 13-09-2009, 8:50 PM

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I'm sorry, but I believe that anyone who claims to be mind reading in their act is just a fraud.

He does some pretty impressive mind reading stuff though. He is the first to say that psychics and clairvoyants are fake but how he does some of his mind stuff is weird to say the least

Pincho Paxton · 13-09-2009, 11:42 PM

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He does some pretty impressive mind reading stuff though. He is the first to say that psychics and clairvoyants are fake but how he does some of his mind stuff is weird to say the least

It's weird if he was telling you the truth about what he was doing. But mind reading is easy if you are the biggest liar in the country...

Darren Brown "I will read this woman's mind, I have never met her before, and she is not a plant...."

Amazing mind reading except that he probably paid her to be on the show.

Lying is the best way to perform magic tricks.

Uri geller was also a famous liar who made it big.

"Don't stamp on the mouse, it is under cup 13.."... not quite so impressive is it?

JohnG · 14-09-2009, 7:22 AM

Nobody is able to do what I would call proper mind reading, you are being conned and lied to by those who claim to be doing it.

**Iccz** · 14-09-2009, 11:20 AM

Derren Brown is coming to Milton Keynes in April next year I believe, if it wasn't for the whole Lottery thing that has recently gone on, I certainly would have gone... now I just don't really have much time for him, he sold out big time on that one and it wasn't even entertaining so I'm not sure whether or not I'm going to go...

I've heard his live stuff is a lot better than all this show stuff for a TV series, so it's still tempting...

Pincho Paxton · 14-09-2009, 11:58 AM

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Derren Brown is coming to Milton Keynes in April next year I believe, if it wasn't for the whole Lottery thing that has recently gone on, I certainly would have gone... now I just don't really have much time for him, he sold out big time on that one and it wasn't even entertaining so I'm not sure whether or not I'm going to go...

I've heard his live stuff is a lot better than all this show stuff for a TV series, so it's still tempting...

I do like figuring out what he did, so that part of it is entertaining, but the problem is that you tend to factor out the things which he said he didn't do. But last week there was £1000 cheque in one envelope he said, and the woman picked the other envelope. The truth is that there was no cheque in either envelope, and you can see him rushing over to actually put the cheque in the other envelope. You actually see him open the other envelope on camera, and put his hand inside.

**Iccz** · 14-09-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

I do like figuring out what he did, so that part of it is entertaining, but the problem is that you tend to factor out the things which he said he didn't do. But last week there was £1000 cheque in one envelope he said, and the woman picked the other envelope. The truth is that there was no cheque in either envelope, and you can see him rushing over to actually put the cheque in the other envelope. You actually see him open the other envelope on camera, and put his hand inside.

The problem is, I found his lottery show very boring and was not properly watching it for the most part, I was sat on here browsing threads while he babbled on...

Usually I find his stuff a lot more entertaining, just hoping that he's not going to continue with the style shown in the lottery show, that has put me off his stuff quite a lot now, I'll give the show a shot next week, and if I can get up from me seat when he says I can't, then I will lose any faith in him.

Sonic67 · 14-09-2009, 12:22 PM

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/a...-200909142055/

Pincho Paxton · 14-09-2009, 12:39 PM

In week 3 Michael Bay is filming Darren Brown slowly changing into a 50ft long truck, and it definitely isn't a camera trick!

J1mbo · 14-09-2009, 3:38 PM

Both are masterful magicians. However they use their skills in very different ways. Derren tends more towards 'mind games' - hypnotism, mental suggestion and use of memory. David Blaine has devolved from his highly entertaining street magic into feats of mental and physical endurance - about as fun as watching paint dry if you ask me...

Blaine's street magic was phenomenol at the time he first appeared - however his tricks have been 'debunked' so frequently now that it's much less impressive. This is actually a massive shame. Explaining the mechanics of magic is always far less impressive than the trick itself.

Whilst Derren's recent lottery trick was somewhat sub-par, his shows overall have been fantastic. He makes no bones about the nature of his tricks being just that - tricks- but compared to most magic acts his stunts usually require much less slight-of-hand and tend to be about how much the mind can be influenced. Some of his stunts require no trickery at all, just skilled application of known elements of psychology on individuals or groups. The very ace ' Bank Job' show is a perfect illustration of his techniques. Anyone who has read his books (my missis has them all, including the very rare and VERY expensive Absolute Magic, and Pure Effect; the former which he has gone on record as saying he regrets releasing as it explains too much) will have had the chance to vastly improve their mental ability and memory.