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I've just received a PCN from my local council (my first ever  ) for the alleged contravention: "Failing to comply with a sign indicating a prohibited turn - no right turn".
Being an observant driver I don't remember seeing a no right turn sign, so I just went on Google maps to check where they say it took place. Sure enough there are signs on the road which say "Ahead Only" and under the traffic light there's the white arrow on the blue background - but there's no "No Right turn" signs.
I'm tempted to dispute it on the grounds that they say there's a sign saying no right turn, and there isn't.
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13-08-2009, 1:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Switch625  I've just received a PCN from my local council (my first ever ) for the alleged contravention: "Failing to comply with a sign indicating a prohibited turn - no right turn".
Being an observant driver I don't remember seeing a no right turn sign, so I just went on Google maps to check where they say it took place. Sure enough there are signs on the road which say "Ahead Only" and under the traffic light there's the white arrow on the blue background - but there's no "No Right turn" signs.
I'm tempted to dispute it on the grounds that they say there's a sign saying no right turn, and there isn't.
Suggestions? | the way I read it is that when they say "no right turn", they aren't talking about the sign but your actions. To me they aren't saying what the specific sign says. End of the day you are in the wrong so you'll have to pay up  | |
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Originally Posted by jassco the way I read it is that when they say "no right turn", they aren't talking about the sign but your actions. To me they aren't saying what the specific sign says. End of the day you are in the wrong so you'll have to pay up | But if there is no 'no right turn' sign then how was he supposed to know he has broken the law?
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Isn't "ahead only" the same as don't turn right (or left)? or am I missing something?
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Originally Posted by rickinyorkshire But if there is no 'no right turn' sign then how was he supposed to know he has broken the law? | Read this
OP is in the wrong
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so if it had been a rectangular sign he'd have been OK, but because it was round he's now a felon  I think I'd better brush up on my Highway Code, thanks for the link KH.
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I'll happily pay the fine if I'm in the wrong - but I'm reading the PCN as saying "you didn't comply with a sign that specifically said no right turn".
If there's no clear sign, why should I pay?
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13-08-2009, 2:13 PM
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"Failing to comply with a sign indicating a prohibited turn" - Ahead only means that, no turning.
If they had to put all the signs that apply then you'd have 'Ahead only', 'No right turn', 'No left turn' which is only repeating themselves and would make a hell of a "complicated" sign post.
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Originally Posted by Switch625 I'll happily pay the fine if I'm in the wrong - but I'm reading the PCN as saying "you didn't comply with a sign that specifically said no right turn".
If there's no clear sign, why should I pay? | Did you not read my earlier post?
Ahead only means you can't turn left ot right
If you don't believe me google it yourself
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Originally Posted by Kebabhead Did you not read my earlier post?
Ahead only means you can't turn left ot right
If you don't believe me google it yourself | I believe you 
Curiousity got the better of me, so I went and checked out the offending junction. I must've been in my own world that day as there are 2 no right turn signs 
Both are small, but one's got a "60 yards ahead" underneath it, and the other is actually behind the traffic light so you don't see it until you're just about to turn 
Oh well, £60 out of pocket it is. Cheers chaps.
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£60 fine for taking a wrong turn when many criminals (in the real world) get let of with much less 
What a  up world we live in
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Well I remember life before New Labour , and I am sure there were fixed penalty notices then.
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Originally Posted by Switch625 I've just received a PCN from my local council (my first ever ) for the alleged contravention: "Failing to comply with a sign indicating a prohibited turn - no right turn".
Being an observant driver I don't remember seeing a no right turn sign, so I just went on Google maps to check where they say it took place. Sure enough there are signs on the road which say "Ahead Only" and under the traffic light there's the white arrow on the blue background - but there's no "No Right turn" signs.
I'm tempted to dispute it on the grounds that they say there's a sign saying no right turn, and there isn't.
Suggestions? | Swallow it mate, I can't see you winning that one. "Ahead only" sums up the instruction.
I did dispute a charge I got last year when I stopped in a box junction. I was cut up by another driver who shot in front of my car which forced me to stop in the box. They refused to back down on that one. I was going to go the whole hog and go for the independent hearing but I wasn't confident that I could prove my case and didn't want to risk an even bigger fine so I just paid up.
EDIT (UPDATE). Sorry didn't read your updated post before replying !!!
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If you haven't already paid up, remember there is a wealth of information online to assist you in determining if you have a case to fight, to ensure that the PCN was issued correctly and is valid and that the signs themselves adhere to regulations. You will find the relevent legal wording within the Road Traffic Act 1991 and the PePiPoo website is also very knowledgeable.
Various links you may find useful... Road Traffic Act 1991 (c. 40) PePiPoo: Helping the motorist to get justice Traffic Penalty Tribunal
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Originally Posted by Switch625 I believe you
Curiousity got the better of me, so I went and checked out the offending junction. I must've been in my own world that day as there are 2 no right turn signs
Both are small, but one's got a "60 yards ahead" underneath it, and the other is actually behind the traffic light so you don't see it until you're just about to turn
Oh well, £60 out of pocket it is. Cheers chaps. | Do you get 3 points on your licence for that?
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