[craggs]

can anyone pls help on tips for takin the opossition down,it seems they take me down with 1 shotgun shot i seem to be puttin 3-4 in with shotgun and they still wipe me out,,grrrr!!

i usualy play horde but ive done all 50 now with me mate and want to start doin the other games.

it doesnt help im only rank 2,,an i keep being put with rank 20+ player sometimes 40

thanks for reading and helping out

EDIT:think its annex,,one with the circles

[kopchoir]

welcome to gears of war

[sim667]

Get really close before shooting with the shottie, the best bet is try and get right by them, melee, then shoot straight away, the melee will just push them the right distance away for a one shot shotgun kill.

Add me up, ill train ya

Gamertag : simbolini

[greektony]

get some skills or use the chainsaw

[Billy Goodgun]

There are lots of tactics for KOTH (and Annex). Lag and team-mates will mean your chances of winning will definitely waver a bit, but you're always in with a shout, even when playing without friends.

The first thing to note is that there is one crucial difference between King of the Hill (KOTH) and Annex. On Annex, once you've gained a capture ("cap" for short) to own the hill, you can leave the hill and continue to score points until an enemy breaks it. On KOTH, you need to remain in the hill at all times to score.

That makes quite a difference to how you play. On KOTH, for example, if you're trying to attack a well-defended hill and cap it for your team, try mixing it up and grabbing weapons like the mortar or hammer of dawn. You can then drop the mortar or hammer on the hill, safe in the knowledge there will be at least one enemy inside it. This may not be true on Annex.

Splash damage weapons like grenades, mortar, hammer, and boomshot are probably the most effective in Annex and KOTH, though you may struggle to get any of these weapons very often. Also, as the hill doesn't ever move on KOTH (it moves once 60 seconds of cap time has been earned on Annex), a cheap but effective tactic is to tag nades on to a wall immediately adjacent to the hill. You are guaranteed at least one useful kill.

Another point I would make is this: if your team is already holding the hill on KOTH, there is no reason for you to be in it as well. Leave the hill and either grab a power weapon or kill some enemies (hopefully both!). Even if you die, you will have earned an extra few seconds for your team by holding up your opponents who are trying to get to the hill. Setting smoke grenades along the way from the spawns (not in the spawns!) is another way to help do this.

One last tactic (useful for any gametype): if you have a power weapon and are about to die, try to quickly swap to your shotgun/lancer/pistol. You drop the weapon you're holding at the time of death, so that way your opponents won't be able to nab whatever power weapon you had from your squelchy corpse.

I could probably waffle on for ages about GoW tactics, and they're easier to explain than to put into practice, but I hope this helps!

[craggs]

Originally Posted by sim667

Get really close before shooting with the shottie, the best bet is try and get right by them, melee, then shoot straight away, the melee will just push them the right distance away for a one shot shotgun kill.

Add me up, ill train ya

Gamertag : simbolini

cracking advice,,did it 3 times that way,,im round at my mates ill add you when i get in later..

any other tips welcome..i done the chainsaw but i seem to get shot when i rev up,they are to fast

great game though if you get a good team,trouble is i feel like i let them down

[Ico.]

Originally Posted by craggs

cracking advice,,did it 3 times that way,,im round at my mates ill add you when i get in later..

any other tips welcome..i done the chainsaw but i seem to get shot when i rev up,they are to fast

great game though if you get a good team,trouble is i feel like i let them down

I've always... Gears 1 and 2 had days when everything goes well... and days when everything goes very, very wrong...

Don't worry about letting a team down on a good day you'll be let down often enough.

Just enjoy the game and not worry too much. Rank numbers don't mean much more than how often that tag has played since the game got this system. With just a few kills each game or so you'll rank up. I think most people with high rank scores either play all day or rank up using someone else's tag... I've sen some pretty lame players with rank 5 logos.

[Billy Goodgun]

Yeah, same. None of the players I've ever played who are rank 100 with the special elite logo have been up to much. Most of the time they haven't even finished top on their team.

Same with clans - played an Annex match last night where four out of five of my opponents had a clan tag of "LTD" at the start of their name. Not a one of them finished with more points than me (I came second on the winning team - top player had over 7500 points! Don't even think he had host, either).

I'm not saying I'm good, but they were worse. As rank only increases (and doesn't decrease) since TU3, it doesn't mean all that much. I'm not even rank 20 yet - but then, I have a job, and I have other games!

[Ico.]

Glad it's not just me... I've made rank 19 so far. But then I work and have a wife and 2 kids...

Rank can decrease if you quit games though but you only lose 1500 points so it'd depend on how far you were into a rank.

Of course your rank can be reset to 0 in certain circumstances from reading some other threads.

[craggs]

Originally Posted by Billy Goodgun

There are lots of tactics for KOTH (and Annex). Lag and team-mates will mean your chances of winning will definitely waver a bit, but you're always in with a shout, even when playing without friends.

The first thing to note is that there is one crucial difference between King of the Hill (KOTH) and Annex. On Annex, once you've gained a capture ("cap" for short) to own the hill, you can leave the hill and continue to score points until an enemy breaks it. On KOTH, you need to remain in the hill at all times to score.

That makes quite a difference to how you play. On KOTH, for example, if you're trying to attack a well-defended hill and cap it for your team, try mixing it up and grabbing weapons like the mortar or hammer of dawn. You can then drop the mortar or hammer on the hill, safe in the knowledge there will be at least one enemy inside it. This may not be true on Annex.

Splash damage weapons like grenades, mortar, hammer, and boomshot are probably the most effective in Annex and KOTH, though you may struggle to get any of these weapons very often. Also, as the hill doesn't ever move on KOTH (it moves once 60 seconds of cap time has been earned on Annex), a cheap but effective tactic is to tag nades on to a wall immediately adjacent to the hill. You are guaranteed at least one useful kill.

Another point I would make is this: if your team is already holding the hill on KOTH, there is no reason for you to be in it as well. Leave the hill and either grab a power weapon or kill some enemies (hopefully both!). Even if you die, you will have earned an extra few seconds for your team by holding up your opponents who are trying to get to the hill. Setting smoke grenades along the way from the spawns (not in the spawns!) is another way to help do this.

One last tactic (useful for any gametype): if you have a power weapon and are about to die, try to quickly swap to your shotgun/lancer/pistol. You drop the weapon you're holding at the time of death, so that way your opponents won't be able to nab whatever power weapon you had from your squelchy corpse.

I could probably waffle on for ages about GoW tactics, and they're easier to explain than to put into practice, but I hope this helps!

thanks very much for takin the time to type that out,more usefull information

just done another 2 matches and worked out ok,using the nudge and shotgun and, tagging the walls,noticed a few of them fell to floor where i chainsawed,,hehehe

[craggs]

Originally Posted by Ico.

I've always... Gears 1 and 2 had days when everything goes well... and days when everything goes very, very wrong...

Just enjoy the game and not worry to much.

i can see by playin a few games this afternoon how much it can swing,last couple of matches have gone very well..

i certainly am just going to enjoy it,even if im coming last all the time

what it is i just panic when they are near me and start shooting all over the show,,then bang heads gone,,and im restarting

[AVF Jazzy Geoff]

See if you can get a quick active reload in just before you get close with the shottie, this sometimes helps as well

[craggs]

im back again more questions,

im a bit baffled im sure im walking onto frags,that are in the floor,but i cant seem to plant one there,only in walls.

i might be wrong

[shagaboopon]

Originally Posted by craggs

im back again more questions,

im a bit baffled im sure im walking onto frags,that are in the floor,but i cant seem to plant one there,only in walls.

i might be wrong

If you look at the floor when you have frags equipped then press the B button it will attach them to the floor the same way it does to walls.

On the shotgun front here are some little tips:

At the start of each round fire the shotgun at the floor or a wall, if the damage appears instantly or within a second then you have a good chance with the shotgun. If they take more than a second to appear then you're going to struggle killing with the shotgun as the lag will be crazy at close range. These games I hang back with the lancer or saw people up by tactically charging in when you can.

Assuming the above is fine:

1. If you have time before going into combat fire a few shots off and then active reload, this will give you a lot better chance of one shot kills.

2. Get in the habit of left trigger shooting, this is where you aim then fire as it's a lot more accurate and powerful. I centre my screen on the enemy as if I was going to blindfire then quickly tap left trigger then right.

3. It's cheap but get in the habit of using the B button to melee (or you'll have it done to you). In most scenarios a well timed melee which will damage and briefly stun an opponent gives you enough time to then aim and blow them to pieces. If you get meleed then you can either melee back and move or shoot and dodge to avoid getting killed.

4. No matter how skillful you are there are times when it's best to retreat to live for another day. Running away is hard in this game because if you run in a straight line you'll be downed easily. Learn to dive, then press a direction for when you land and you'll change to run in that direction if you hold A at the same time. You can combine this with bouncing on and off cover to really mess up your enemies aim.

5. Last but not least, learn to spot someone carrying a lancer and in particulr them revving it. If you go in to kill the with a melee you'll usually end up sucked into the saw and dead. Fire at them when they charge you to lower the saw then if needed roll back and fire again as they'll usually try and rush again to get you. Most of the time you'll down them with ease without getting chopped (the rest of the time just swear quietly that they're cheap and get on with it ).

Not the most definitive list and I'm no pro but I can do a lot of damage now and everything I've learned as been on Gears 2 where the shotgun is a different beast to the original.

[Gazelle]

Originally Posted by craggs

can anyone pls help on tips for takin the opossition down,it seems they take me down with 1 shotgun shot i seem to be puttin 3-4 in with shotgun and they still wipe me out,,grrrr!!

i usualy play horde but ive done all 50 now with me mate and want to start doin the other games.

it doesnt help im only rank 2,,an i keep being put with rank 20+ player sometimes 40

thanks for reading and helping out

EDIT:think its annex,,one with the circles

The best advice is be prepared to be frustrated. Don't play this game if you are after any kind of consistency. There are some very skilled players out there (not me BTW) but the biggest bearing on the outcome of battles is your connection to the host and seeing as it varys greatly from game to game then that is why it frustrates.

Have fun

[craggs]

Originally Posted by shagaboopon

If you look at the floor when you have frags equipped then press the B button it will attach them to the floor the same way it does to walls.

On the shotgun front here are some little tips:

At the start of each round fire the shotgun at the floor or a wall, if the damage appears instantly or within a second then you have a good chance with the shotgun. If they take more than a second to appear then you're going to struggle killing with the shotgun as the lag will be crazy at close range. These games I hang back with the lancer or saw people up by tactically charging in when you can.

Assuming the above is fine:

1. If you have time before going into combat fire a few shots off and then active reload, this will give you a lot better chance of one shot kills.

2. Get in the habit of left trigger shooting, this is where you aim then fire as it's a lot more accurate and powerful. I centre my screen on the enemy as if I was going to blindfire then quickly tap left trigger then right.

3. It's cheap but get in the habit of using the B button to melee (or you'll have it done to you). In most scenarios a well timed melee which will damage and briefly stun an opponent gives you enough time to then aim and blow them to pieces. If you get meleed then you can either melee back and move or shoot and dodge to avoid getting killed.

4. No matter how skillful you are there are times when it's best to retreat to live for another day. Running away is hard in this game because if you run in a straight line you'll be downed easily. Learn to dive, then press a direction for when you land and you'll change to run in that direction if you hold A at the same time. You can combine this with bouncing on and off cover to really mess up your enemies aim.

5. Last but not least, learn to spot someone carrying a lancer and in particulr them revving it. If you go in to kill the with a melee you'll usually end up sucked into the saw and dead. Fire at them when they charge you to lower the saw then if needed roll back and fire again as they'll usually try and rush again to get you. Most of the time you'll down them with ease without getting chopped (the rest of the time just swear quietly that they're cheap and get on with it ).

Not the most definitive list and I'm no pro but I can do a lot of damage now and everything I've learned as been on Gears 2 where the shotgun is a different beast to the original.

Its funny ive wondered why sometimes when i start a game people on my team,not all 1 or 2 start firing the weapons,iv sat there thinking there checking its working,but why wouldnt it being a game

Im trying to melee now more,with the shotgun,and it has worked with good results,but there is a few that still blow me away.

im goin to give the left trigger one ago when i get home later

cheers for your input much appreciated

[craggs]

Originally Posted by Gazelle

The best advice is be prepared to be frustrated. Don't play this game if you are after any kind of consistency. There are some very skilled players out there (not me BTW) but the biggest bearing on the outcome of battles is your connection to the host and seeing as it varys greatly from game to game then that is why it frustrates.

Have fun

yes i thought so,i only have a 1mb connection,i get about 900k tops,highish pings so im prob far behind on the lag.

Just tryin not to get frustrated,which i was at 1st,but now i laugh it of,i here some on there take it waaaaay to serious

[craggs]

right played this a few times now,been doin okish,,mainly coming last,hehehe,,ive noticed on most games i fire the shotgun and 1sec later damage appears,,

so ive been training with the chainsaw,,,got a fair few kills and most of all got to the ring a few times.

had some flack already with 2 opossing teams members msging me rubbish,,i posted on here about it,,think i killed them a few times with saw,and they didnt like it (all i can think of) edit.unless its spam

ive had some v good advice and im greatfull for everyones input,,next time you lot have a private match and you really dont care/mind about having a rokie,below average player on your team id be happy to join in

add me CAW77

now back to the wife,,im sure she thinks im havin an online afair

[shagaboopon]

Craggs, ignore the whiners, they're just upset they cannot run around with the shotgun out with wreckless abandon. The best players will own you with the shotgun against saw on every occasion.

I played a team the other day and afterwards had to say good game and congratulate them on playing extremely well as a team. One player was wall bouncing everywhere and it was obvious he'd practiced his play a awful lot to get his kills. I had some lag but the if we had a team of hosts on our team they'd have still won such was the difference in skill level.

I think it's sad how many people whine about being killed by any weapon thats in the game, sure I feel annoyed when I get chopped but it's more being annoyed at myself for being such a blatant target for the tactic. It's funny but people complain the saw is overpowered yet if it was so easy to do well with they'd all use it and deep down they know that you'll more often than not pay a heavy penalty for each kill you get.

The article below is well worth a read and sums up why those who whine will never be great at games.

Game Design, Psychology, Flow, and Mastery - Articles - Playing to Win, Part*1

[craggs]

Thanks man,an intersting read i ejoyed it

play on and enjoy,,hehe ill get the hang of the shotgun in the end,i just keep gettin blasted by it..i love playing it and there is clearly a lot of skill than just goin round shooting,i like to try work as a team once we have hold of the ring,it makes a huge difference.

hehe still can stick the frags in the floor though,,i think i seen someone puttin it in a dead body the other day.

[sim667]

the shotgun is definately the way forward.......... make sure your practising active reloads also, very important!

Havent been online for a couple of days, hopefully ill get to play tonight.......

[craggs]

Originally Posted by sim667

the shotgun is definately the way forward.......... make sure your practising active reloads also, very important!

Havent been online for a couple of days, hopefully ill get to play tonight.......

been practising today,had a few matches,,but the other side was just to good,,i keep gettin wasted,hehehe,,shot for shot on the shotgun they win 9/10,,hehehehe..

what makes me laugh i a few times ive gone in a ring with 3 opposing teamers in,ive paniced with the shotgun and took them all out..so funny ..pure luck,but i love it!!

went in the war journal today you got a fair few points on annex,,

[shagaboopon]

You may have been host that game Craggs, today I was host in one game of Annex and killed the entire other team at the start, 4 with the shotgun and the last with the boomshot as I went to rejoin my team at the ring.

[craggs]

that could very well of been why cause i am turd at it,,im goin to go on tomorrow and practice with the shooter..practice,practice,

[mattclarkie]

I just want to say, I'm far from an expert GoW player.


I don't like the shotgun or the chainsaw. I dislike the shotty because it is so random, close range is 50:50 instant death dependent on lag, and the range of the shotty can go from 1mm to 1mile dependent on match. But it is a weapon you have to use because if you can't beat them join them.

The chainsaw I dislike because it is generally used by people running around hoping to lock-on to you, generally when you are stomping an enemy and defenseless.


I used to use the Lancer all the time so I had the saw, but the Hammerburst is a much better weapon, unlike the lancer that is useless even after 3/4 clips, the hammerburst actually does damage, and for KotH firing it into the hill from cover is a good idea. I like to roll/run upto an enemy and melee with the Hammerburst then fire off a few rounds.

The shotty is best used in combination with a roll, you roll into an enemy and then fire as fast as you can once you are next to the enemy. Melee is useful, but you have to make sure you actually do hit the enemy otherwise you will be shottied before you even finish your missed melee.


I am however an expert with Active Reload, the one thing I can do in GoW, and it is crucial as th extra punch you get will win a fire fight. But remember it has a time limit (or I'm sure it used to) so try to do it just before a firefight. And although blindfire can be good with the shotty around a corner or over cover, you need to zoom. The only time you can really blindfire with the lancer/hammerburst is when you are pinned down and need to get some air, although sometimes you will fluke a down, blindfire is more blind than any other game that I know.

This is just my experience as a crap GoW player. It has now made me average and I can hold my own in a non laggy match against non l337.

[craggs]

nice input there,,i must say,,ive been chainsawing more often lately,,i wish i didnt have to as i want to be 'good' at the game,but im finding it more difficult to win a one on one battle lately.

the shottie,,i always seem to be down one shot,,face to face with someone the other night 3 shots i fired at him,,nothin,,he returned a 1 shot and i was dead.,,however i have heard other saying it over the ear piece..so i know its live with it for Gow2.

lag,,every game i seem to into i fire my my shottie and the damage on walls is like 2 even 3 sec later,,so this could be why on the shots..

trouble is i keep coming last on the board,,maybe 1 or 2 times i come 2nd/3rd..and i really do try my best to get to the ring and fight of and win for our side,,sadly people only look at states and the submit reports as 'unsupporting player' and 'non prefured player'

on horde i come top a lot,,and get friends request from other players..swings & roundabouts

[mattclarkie]

Originally Posted by craggs

nice input there,,i must say,,ive been chainsawing more often lately,,i wish i didnt have to as i want to be 'good' at the game,but im finding it more difficult to win a one on one battle lately.

the shottie,,i always seem to be down one shot,,face to face with someone the other night 3 shots i fired at him,,nothin,,he returned a 1 shot and i was dead.,,however i have heard other saying it over the ear piece..so i know its live with it for Gow2.

lag,,every game i seem to into i fire my my shottie and the damage on walls is like 2 even 3 sec later,,so this could be why on the shots..

trouble is i keep coming last on the board,,maybe 1 or 2 times i come 2nd/3rd..and i really do try my best to get to the ring and fight of and win for our side,,sadly people only look at states and the submit reports as 'unsupporting player' and 'non prefured player'

on horde i come top a lot,,and get friends request from other players..swings & roundabouts

That is the issue with Gears, not only does the host have advantage, but the lag can be so bad you can't actually do damage to an enemy. You aren't the first person to unload an entire shotgun clip only to be kill by an ant coughing on the moon.

I find watching what others do is a great way to learn, in GoW you have to keep moving, and sometimes getting into the middle of a cluster you can fire away without the enemy realising you are there.

Another awful(ly fun) thing to do is watch for people chainsawing and getting into duels. A great thing to do if someone on your team is in a duel is to try and shotty/melee the enemy. Not only do you get an easy kill but you might save a team mate. You might only get 1 or 2 kills every 5/6 matches that way, but every kill counts. On a submission the other day I killed about 5 people while they were trying to chainsaw my team mates, saving 2 team mates from death in the process. Of course you have to be careful that you don't run in and get yourself killed. Some might say that is kill stealing, but I see it as taking a 50:50 win and making it a 100% win, especially as lag can often change the outcome of a duel.

[JohnnyUtah76]

Originally Posted by mattclarkie

. Some might say that is kill stealing, but I see it as taking a 50:50 win and making it a 100% win, especially as lag can often change the outcome of a duel.

Completely agree with you on this Matt, i'll always happily pop the head off of the oppsing player if I see a team mate in a chainsaw duel. Like you say its pretty pot luck if you win or lose in a duel.

The best bit of advise I can give you Craggs is start playing with the Hammerburst and get good with it. Its far more powerful than the Lancer and has great stopping power plus you can shoot from distance too. (Plus it will be one less bleedin' chainsawer on the mp! )
Its a no brainer mate.

[craggs]

Originally Posted by mattclarkie

sometimes getting into the middle of a cluster you can fire away without the enemy realising you are there.

that is a good point,,ive been on a side where all of us was in a ring,,next min people are going down,,not realising one of them is in the middle of the chaos..

Ive also been one that has got into a ring and managed to kill 3 of them,,somehow ,,haha,,that was a one and only time lucky sneak in.

[craggs]

Originally Posted by JohnnyUtah76

The best bit of advise I can give you Craggs is start playing with the Hammerburst and get good with it. Its far more powerful than the Lancer and has great stopping power plus you can shoot from distance too. (Plus it will be one less bleedin' chainsawer on the mp! )
Its a no brainer mate.

I did try it once,,but i am goin to start givin it a go,,i have noticed a few times the hammerburst can down you pretty quick,,ive been on the recieving end,,and ive lost very quick to the magnum,,think its magnum,old revolver style gun. so im trying that out..


this might sound poor but i just cannot get the hang of the torque bow,,i never seem to hit anyone,,and the boomshot,,i always go over the heads or next to them..