[Gazelle]

I know nothing about MLG and all that 'pro' stuff but do you think this is a blow for the franchise? Is it proof of how bad Gears of war 2 is?
__________________________________________________ ______

First, I would like to thank all of you for being patient as we went through our 2010 season planning. As for the news you’ve all been waiting for, I am very disappointed to say that Gears of War 2 will not return on the MLG Pro Circuit for another season. This was a very difficult decision to make for the league since the Gears franchise has been with the MLG for so long. There has been a constant state of discussion within the company over the past few months on this topic. Gears of War had many high points in its tenure with the league, however we faced obstacles that we ultimately were not able to overcome. A number of factors played into this decision including audience numbers, the gameplay itself, and our developer relationship with Epic. I know that many of you are disappointed to hear this but I hope you understand the reasoning. The decision took a long time because it was indeed difficult and was made and finalized just yesterday.

I think it was really awesome how the community and certain pros rallied around the game. You guys are all great competitors and great partners to have. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed working with each of you over the past year(s). I would like to thank all of you for competing with MLG and hope that you can continue competing with us in some other way. I’ve developed good relationships with many of you guys and know how much you guys care about competitive gaming.

MLG is growing and spreading the focus around to other genres, but at the same time getting more efficient within each genre. Stay tuned for additional league announcements pertaining to this season set to be announced today. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions about any of this. My door is always open for you guys. Again, thank you all for your understanding.
__________________________________________________ ___________

[Raffboner]

Well judging by there inability to sort out lag issues and not bothereing with a dedicated server im not surprised. I've just started playing again and its the same issues which were around back in 2008. I mean come on Epic if Infinity Ward (minus 2 employess now) can sort out host migration then surely they can.

[Crovon]

They really only have one last chance to save Gears now. GOW 3 has to be more or less perfect from day 1 or the its really gonna kill the franchise.

[BD Ashby]

its such a shame that epic have screwed up GOW2

i spent some of the best gaming nights ever playing GOW 1 online

[Tetlee]

Originally Posted by jimihifi

They really only have one last chance to save Gears now. GOW 3 has to be more or less perfect from day 1 or the its really gonna kill the franchise.

Completely agree, I highly doubt whatever they do with 3, they'll have a blockbuster release day as enjoyed by the likes of MW2, they lost alot of their hardcode fanbase with GoW2 and they'll almost need the 3 to increasingly sell(in huge numbers) through praises of players/ word of mouth, something that will only happen if it's a true return to form(obviously I'm talking multiplayer here, nothing wrong with the campaign of 2 IMO).

[Zzebedee]

Everyone i know in real life who bought Gears 2 had very little interest in it as a multiplayer game and thought it was a really good single player game, which it was.
All of those people will be week one buyers of Gears 3 whenever it appears.
My point is that the percentage of people looking forward to the game from a multiplayer point of view is relatively very small. My guess is about 10 to 15 %

[Tetlee]

Originally Posted by Zzebedee

Everyone i know in real life who bought Gears 2 had very little interest in it as a multiplayer game and thought it was a really good single player game, which it was.
All of those people will be week one buyers of Gears 3 whenever it appears.
My point is that the percentage of people looking forward to the game from a multiplayer point of view is relatively very small. My guess is about 10 to 15 %

I would think much higher than 15%, certainly for an Xbox360 exclusive(everyone knows the 360 has a far higher online community than PS3), just look at games like MW2, do you think it would have had anywhere near the release week sales had it not been for the people buying mainly to play online?

For sure there would be a massive number of people buying on release for the campaign, but I think the larger percentage would be buying for the online, at least that would have been the case with Gears 2, perhaps a little different next time around all things considered.

[Raffboner]

Even though the MP is swamped with problems it is still in the top ten most played which isn't bad and you can't really compare the popularity between the two baecause the only reason GOW was number one for so long was because there wasn't really anything else out at that time to play.

[jason g]

the reason people hate gow2 apart from lag is the fact they cannot cheat like on gow1, no active reloads, no weapon sliding, no glitching out of maps, no constant melee kills, no wall bouncing/blind-firing glitch, and no active reload weapon kills.

now they have to play normally and the biggest number of people cannot shift from gow1 and what they got away with, and this is the real reason the game had problems, u stop people from cheating in games and they don't handle it and stop playing it and bitch about how it's 'broken' it's not broken, the only problem is the lag and no choice of maps yet, other than that there's nothing wrong with gow2, only thing wrong is the fact people cannot handle not being able to cheat.

after playing the last few weeks on ranked gow1 i would take gow2 over gow1 anyday as it was just littered with cheats and quitters.

[kopchoir]

Originally Posted by jason g

after playing the last few weeks on ranked gow1 i would take gow2 over gow1 anyday as it was just littered with cheats and quitters.

But the game play is much quicker and its tidy gears 2 although you can see that it can be a good game its just not qute gears 1

Ok ill give you an option

Gears 1 with the old crowd or gears 2 with the old crowd non laggy

[jason g]

Originally Posted by kopchoir

But the game play is much quicker and its tidy gears 2 although you can see that it can be a good game its just not qute gears 1

Ok ill give you an option

Gears 1 with the old crowd or gears 2 with the old crowd non laggy

i'll throw the question back at u,

Gears 1 with the old crowd or gears 2 with the old crowd non laggy and the speed of gow1.

[kopchoir]

Originally Posted by jason g

i'll throw the question back at u,

Gears 1 with the old crowd or gears 2 with the old crowd non laggy and the speed of gow1.

Gears 1 with the old crowd
Because gears 2 will always be laggy and never as quick as gears 1 and you already have the perfect game

[jason g]

Originally Posted by jason g

i'll throw the question back at u,

Gears 1 with the old crowd or gears 2 with the old crowd non laggy and the speed of gow1.

Originally Posted by kopchoir

Gears 1 with the old crowd
Because gears 2 will always be laggy and never as quick as gears 1 and you already have the perfect game

doesn't answer the question though because u have just put the problem of gow2 back in the question.

@choice: gow1 with the old crowd with lag or gow2 with the old crowd with no lag.

[virtual22]

GOW2 still has grenades stuck to walls, mortars and stun smoke grenades, a crap lobby system. None of these things are broke, it's how the game was designed. I'd therefore take GOW1 over a fixed GOW2 any day. I liked GOW and didn't cheat (I may have used the odd chainsaw glitch but only for comedy effect, and then less than ten times in 18 months gaming).

[Raffboner]

Well GOW2 same problems as GOW1, now if folk cast their mind back they will remember the probs on ranked which was bad lag but still people played day in and out. Basically GOW2 is the same as GOW1 but with more game types and same lag. So for me the main difference betwen the two is you can't get a full room of AVF in GOW2 (ranked that is) shame really used to love the Thursday night Gears n beers session.

[Tetlee]

Originally Posted by jason g

the reason people hate gow2 apart from lag is the fact they cannot cheat like on gow1, no active reloads, no weapon sliding, no glitching out of maps, no constant melee kills, no wall bouncing/blind-firing glitch, and no active reload weapon kills.

now they have to play normally and the biggest number of people cannot shift from gow1 and what they got away with, and this is the real reason the game had problems, u stop people from cheating in games and they don't handle it and stop playing it and bitch about how it's 'broken' it's not broken, the only problem is the lag and no choice of maps yet, other than that there's nothing wrong with gow2, only thing wrong is the fact people cannot handle not being able to cheat.

You surprise me there Jason, for me the game fundamentals themselves are what kills GoW2, not removal of glitches(for which GoW2 certainly did have plenty!). I never cheated in GoW1 but still way prefer playing it than 2, reason, I just love the way it plays, the feel of the game is just right and the speed is perfect too.

Originally Posted by virtual22

GOW2 still has grenades stuck to walls, mortars and stun smoke grenades, a crap lobby system. None of these things are broke, it's how the game was designed. I'd therefore take GOW1 over a fixed GOW2 any day.

Exactly my thoughts, maybe part of the beauty of GoW was it's simplistic fun, sometimes adding more gimics to games only serves to kill the magic, happens quite often and I think GoW2 multiplayer is a good example.

I'll take GoW1 with the old crowd any day, glitchers aren't an issue for me as I gave up playing ranked et.c ages ago so only play for fun with the usual suspects, never get bored of it personally and I'm pretty sure to drop any of my other games for some AVF friendlies

[jason g]

Originally Posted by Tetlee

You surprise me there Jason, for me the game fundamentals themselves are what kills GoW2, not removal of glitches(for which GoW2 certainly did have plenty!). I never cheated in GoW1 but still way prefer playing it than 2, reason, I just love the way it plays, the feel of the game is just right and the speed is perfect too.



Exactly my thoughts, maybe part of the beauty of GoW was it's simplistic fun, sometimes adding more gimics to games only serves to kill the magic, happens quite often and I think GoW2 multiplayer is a good example.

I'll take GoW1 with the old crowd any day, glitchers aren't an issue for me as I gave up playing ranked et.c ages ago so only play for fun with the usual suspects, never get bored of it personally and I'm pretty sure to drop any of my other games for some AVF friendlies

the point i was making tet was that i love gow1 and would always pick it over gow2, im just saying that all the cheating tricks u could do in gow1 is the main reason a lot of people don't like gow2 because they cannot get used to not doing things like active reloads for example.

[Crovon]

Originally Posted by jason g

the point i was making tet was that i love gow1 and would always pick it over gow2, im just saying that all the cheating tricks u could do in gow1 is the main reason a lot of people don't like gow2 because they cannot get used to not doing things like active reloads for example.

Active reloads isnt cheating though, its part of the game. Not sure how your associating it with cheating

Glitching out the map, and crab walking, chainsaw glitching - yeh they are all things that enable cheating, but not active reloads.

I would say that most people dont play GOW 2 because of a number of things more directly related to the gameplay itself.

1. Its slower than GOW1, feels like you are running through treacle.
2. The shotgun is crap, no where near as effective in 2 - where are the fun shotty battles???
3. The mortars
4. Lag, Lag, Lag, Lag, Lag.......etc
5. Lobby system is rubbish & over complicated
6. No map filtering or the ability to choose what map you want to play on.

Those are just off the top of my head. Im sure there are many more but to suggest thats its because people cant cheat is a little wide of the mark imo

[jason g]

Originally Posted by jimihifi

Active reloads isnt cheating though, its part of the game. Not sure how your associating it with cheating

the point im making is that active reloads are not in gow2 which is why a lot of people won't play it as they just constantly use it to down people, i don't agree that epic developed the active reload as part of the game to enable people to drop players to the floor in 1 shot, it's a case of people abusing it.

other than that last night was no different on gow1, weapon sliding, 1 i have never seen ever, on garden someone got the sniper even though the gas hadn't been turned off, a new low to the game.

another guy on bullet marsh got over 20 kills we found out he had been glitching by diving forward into the sandbag, no-one could kill him and he was killing people with 1 shot.

just hate all these that spoil games, not just on gow but any mp game, but i guess it will never alter until developers stop making ranked matches and stick to private,

why they won't is beyond me.

[Crovon]

Originally Posted by jason g

the point im making is that active reloads are not in gow2 which is why a lot of people won't play it as they just constantly use it to down people, i don't agree that epic developed the active reload as part of the game to enable people to drop players to the floor in 1 shot, it's a case of people abusing it.

other than that last night was no different on gow1, weapon sliding, 1 i have never seen ever, on garden someone got the sniper even though the gas hadn't been turned off, a new low to the game.

another guy on bullet marsh got over 20 kills we found out he had been glitching by diving forward into the sandbag, no-one could kill him and he was killing people with 1 shot.

just hate all these that spoil games, not just on gow but any mp game, but i guess it will never alter until developers stop making ranked matches and stick to private,

why they won't is beyond me.

Of course they did, the active reload makes your shots more powerful and your bullets do more damage, they were talking about that function in vids prior to and after launch.

I dont think they thought it would be as easy to do as it is though.

Yeh, the glitchers would leave if there were no ranked cheevo's. They are the worst thing ever imo.

[Tetlee]

Originally Posted by jimihifi

Of course they did, the active reload makes your shots more powerful and your bullets do more damage, they were talking about that function in vids prior to and after launch.

I dont think they thought it would be as easy to do as it is though.

Risk/ Reward, gives you powerful shots but leaves you very vulnerable when you mess it up due to the weapon sticking, I think it was a great idea and leads to some really tense moments of panic during close combat, it's that non room for error that causes you to mess it up half the time.

The mistake they with it was including the active reload on the sniper rifle, not really any risk due to being a large distance away, and downs people with one shot without even being precise, Reward/ Reward Shame that was never patched as would people with snipers constantly active reloading certainly can be fun killers.

[virtual22]

Originally Posted by jason g

just hate all these that spoil games,

Randoms spoil every game I've played online mate, GOW, Halo, MW2. I don't know why you don't just stick to playing the AVF peeps. I know it's not ranked but surely a fun night of gaming is better than a few meaningless achievement points

[kopchoir]

I played ranked last night just wasnt enjoying it anyone want a friendly lobby tonight not getting on with BBC2

[jason g]

Originally Posted by virtual22

Randoms spoil every game I've played online mate, GOW, Halo, MW2. I don't know why you don't just stick to playing the AVF peeps. I know it's not ranked but surely a fun night of gaming is better than a few meaningless achievement points

on gow1 the seriously achievement is the last one i need, the usual players are hardly on anymore really.

@we will have to sort out some time through the week to do the spec ops on MW2 as well.

[XIWoozYIX]

MLGs decision has been haunting me the last few days and tonight it just really bugged me, so I started doing some research and seeing what people had to say, what Epic had to say ( if anything), what MLG had to say (again), and after reading through the posts here, I felt the need to post. Gears 2 was just bad. From day 1 it was problem after problem. I remember the release, I remember being online within the first hour of release. Out of the gate the game was slow. It didnt feel good. The weapons were watered down and wimpy. My main issue with Gears 2 from release..The shotty and boomshot were all effed up. I dont know if anyone else remembers, but in Gears 1 hip firing was a way to save your ass and get off a lucky shot that won or lost you the round/match. The first time I picked up a boomshot in Gears 2 and hip fired that stupid thing, the shot landed DIRECTLY at my feet, blowing me to hell. Why? As we later found out, Epic screwed up. And it took them forever to fix it, but by this time, so many people had migrated to something else.

The OP here was referencing MLG, which if you dont know is all about competition, spectating, money, etc. Gears 1 was perfect for LAN and on XBL, yeah, it was glitchy, there were cheaters, there were dumbass kids who liked to do stupid crap to make people angry. At MLG, the only glitch we were allowed, was weapon sliding and trust me when I say this, more times than not..actually sliding the weapon, cost you a round. There were no cheaters at MLG events and the players that played at the events and online, well, if you ran across them you probably thought they were cheating. As far as Active Downs go..In Warzone, I agree..total BS..in Execution, Active Downs could set up spectacular plays. Gears 2 took alot of the pace away. We had to slow down, think less wait for the other team to screw up and basically camp. Gears 1 wasnt like that. It was " You and I are going here, You and you go here, push here, force em to grab this or do this, lets bait into making a mistake.." ...Gears 2..WAS NO WHERE CLOSE! I wish Epic had taken more time perfecting the MP part of Gears 2 and spent less time on the campaign. Ill say this..Gears 3 will sell, because all of the now unemployed and let down MLG pros and players will want to see if Epic has answered our calls for help and made a game that is worthy of returning to an MLG stage and knocking Halo off is throne or at least giving back to a community that supported it even if it didnt support us.

I hope Epic steps it up..I wouldnt mind seeing a Gears 3 that looked like Gears 2 and played like Gears 1. Get rid of the dumb grenades that sticks to walls, the stun crap, fix the shotgun to how it should be, speed the game up, smaller maps (Gridlock anyone?) No more dumb weapons ( bye bye Mortars??)...those are just a few ways they couldve improved Gears 2...

[The Bass]

Originally Posted by XIWoozYIX

Gears 2 was just bad. From day 1 it was problem after problem.

Sounds a bit like a well known shooter from these guys called Infinity Ward...

Great post .