UK or US Gamecube

[robfitzp]

Thinking of buying a gamecube. Which is the better option, a UK or imported US version?

Will be using on Sony HS10 projector so want the best video quality.

Can UK use US games and vice versa?

Do US versions run at higher res?

Cheers
Rob.

[t-force]

If you want to play US games on a UK cube, and vice-versa, you will need to buy the Freeloader, which is about £15-20. US games are generally cheaper (try DVDboxoffice.com and pay in Canadian dollars), and available sooner, plus there are also some games that will never see the light of day over here, like the excellent Animal Crossing. US games are also all full screen and 60 Hz - only some UK games are - plus some of them can utilise Progressive Scan, which no UK games do.

If you're going to be using a projector, I'd say go for a US cube, and groundy would certainly agree with me.

[Klippie]

robfitzp,

I have a UK cube on my HS10 and it does show up the dreaded jaggies so a US cube would be better in that respect, but 575 lines versus 480 is quite a difference in vertical resolution. I run my cube in 50 Hz just to get the 575 resolution....its not to bad.

You will also need the Nintendo component lead for the best picture quality which can be got here.....

http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?pro...941&PID=613288

First class site and my lead took about a week to arrive it was £27 all in.

Klippie.

[robfitzp]

Thanks both,

Will have a look on that site.

Cheers

Rob

[Sicton]

The problem I had with my US GameCube was color bleeding on my TV. The edges of green objects displayed were affected quite badly, bleeding into other colors. To rectify this problem I purchased an NTSC RGB cable for £39.99 and all is well, a much clearer picture. I don't know if you will get this problem with a new projector but it's worth investing in a high-quality cable as previously stated.

[groundy]

Originally posted by Sicton
The problem I had with my US GameCube was color bleeding on my TV. The edges of green objects displayed were affected quite badly, bleeding into other colors.

This was nothing to do with the fact you were using a US Cube though - but rather because your original connection method was Composite Video. S-Video would have been an improvement with RGB and Component Video being the best. Got to say, when I originally came up with the RGB Scart Cable for Import Cubes, I never envisaged them selling for £39.99 - one of the reasons why it is no longer economical for me to make them. There are varying degrees of quality though .

As to the original poster's question. I agree with t-force - always buy Import. Freeloader has loads of compatibility issues - the latest being F-Zero. Just buy an import Cube and official Component Video cable .

[Sicton]

Yeah, nothing to do with the GameCube, just the conversion by TV made from an NTSC signal.

Were you one of the first people to modify an RGB cable?

[groundy]

Originally posted by Sicton


Were you one of the first people to modify an RGB cable?

Yes . After "Oscar" found the Component to RGB DAC modification for RGB HV via VGA, I modified it further and came up with the first working RGB Scart Cable for import Cubes (adding a Composite Sync signal). I posted the step-by-step instructions for making the cables on my site at:

http://www.rgbcube.co.uk

Every RGB Scart Cable for Import Cubes coming out of HK or wherever is based on the instructions above. I made the information free for anyone interested in making their own cables.

[Sicton]

Well, it's a great pleasure to meet you Mr. 'improve-my-picture-quality"! I am highly impressed, those companies must have made a hell of a lot of money off your creation.

[Erpland]

Originally posted by groundy

always buy Import. Freeloader has loads of compatibility issues - the latest being F-Zero. Just buy an import Cube and official Component Video cable .

"Loads" is a bit of an exageration, the F-Zero problem (JAP on PAL machine) BTW has been fixed by Datel

http://www.lik-sang.com/news.php?artc=3041


http://uk.codejunkies.com/article.as...r=1&l=1&i=5544

[groundy]

Originally posted by Erpland
Well, it's a great pleasure to meet you Mr. 'improve-my-picture-quality"! I am highly impressed, those companies must have made a hell of a lot of money off your creation.

Thanks but all credit goes to Oscar really - the Composite Sync mod was a simple addition . This was never a commercial interest for me anyway.

Originally posted by Erpland
"Loads" is a bit of an exageration, the F-Zero problem (JAP on PAL machine) BTW has been fixed by Datel

http://www.lik-sang.com/news.php?artc=3041


http://uk.codejunkies.com/article.as...r=1&l=1&i=5544

Not an exageration at all actually. Freeloader does have loads of problems with loads of games. There are no free fixes for Freeloader - and there are only a certain number of boot combinations available. What "alternative" boot sequance will they come up with next? Do a one arm handstand while holding down all buttons on your Cube pad and switch machine on . Action Replay is undoubtedly the more flexible utility for playing imports but having to constantly enter codes and fixes is a major problem in my mind. It's always been the way ever since the SNES and Megadrive Action Replay carts. Nothing has changed. If like me, you prefer hassel-free gaming and want to play a game as soon as you switch on your Cube, then don't bother with Freeloader or Action Replay.

[Erpland]

Originally posted by groundy
Thanks but all credit goes to Oscar really - the Composite Sync mod was a simple addition . This was never a commercial interest for me anyway.




Not an exageration at all actually. Freeloader does have loads of problems with loads of games. There are no free fixes for Freeloader - and there are only a certain number of boot combinations available. What "alternative" boot sequance will they come up with next? Do a one arm handstand while holding down all buttons on your Cube pad and switch machine on . Action Replay is undoubtedly the more flexible utility for playing imports but having to constantly enter codes and fixes is a major problem in my mind. It's always been the way ever since the SNES and Megadrive Action Replay carts. Nothing has changed. If like me, you prefer hassel-free gaming and want to play a game as soon as you switch on your Cube, then don't bother with Freeloader or Action Replay.

Well Im talking about Action Replay which includes freeloader in the option menu and it is no hassle at all, you dont have to constantly enter fixes or codes, they are saved on the memory card that comes with Action Replay, and hundreds of codes for many games are already selectable with just a tick that takes a second.
Datel are ongoing letting me make games easier and play imports free of charge once I purchased their product, things that I would not be able to do otherwise.
And if a game is only released in Europe or has language difficulties then the import console owners then have the same issues or so called 'hassle'.

My Gamecube was the first PAL console I bought since the Atari 2600, I imported many past consoles very early on and currently have 5 connected to my main TV (only 2 PAL) but the main reason I got the PAL one this time was because my kids will be using it and contrary to popular belief Games like Mario Sunshine are too hard for them, Action Replay was a must, plus for once an Import cube would have cost more money and no longer had the advantage of 60hz and full screen. Not only that but the kids will also be able to choose or receive games as presents locally without me having to be involved.
I still think Nintendo need to get their act together over Europe though or maybe its NOE's fault who's roots lay in distribution only.

Anyway when I weigh things up the PAL Gamecube has probably been the least hassle for me playing video games since 1977, in those days things were simple, games were enjoyable without people faulting signal quality from cables or display formats or worrying about what countries were getting what before us.

I'm not saying I'll never import again, far from it, but just offering my experiances on your view in this instance import Gamecubes should 'always' be bought..

[groundy]

Originally posted by Erpland


I'm not saying I'll never import again, far from it, but just offering my experiances on your view in this instance import Gamecubes should 'always' be bought..

Referring to the 'always' comment, you shouldn't take every statement I posted literally. There was no need to concentrate your reply around this. You have posted many varied and sensible reasons for buying a PAL Cube in your (and similar) circumstances. The original poster's circumstances are quite different and is putting video quality and resolution first and foremost above all other priorities, in which case buying Import would be recommended.

Regarding Action Replay/Freeloader, when referring to Freeloader it's only reasonable to assume you are referring to the stand alone and marketed as such, Freeloader disc. The Freeloader disc is problematic in that it doesn't have the workaround flexibility.

As ever it comes down to personal preference. For me, having to enter a single code once to overcome a problem is hassel. For others it's nothing.

[robfitzp]

Thanks for replies to my query.

Have bought a modded Jap/USA cube - hopefully should arrive by weekend.

The seller included one of the RGB cables referred to above so if anyone wants one, get in touch (will be using component).

Cheers
Rob.

[Erpland]

As for video quality and resolution, I always thought NTSC was best? until recently I heard (on here I think) someone say how PAL was superior due to its more lines?
After finally getting some of my old consoles rigged up I do notice the scan lines are more apparent and the colours are wrong on the NTSC machines (need major adjustment (s-video 28" TV)) but as they are older machines and dont have 2 of the same to compare I dont know if it was just the lower resolution in the day or whether it is a real issue with newer machines?
Like I said before in the day I was totally happy with with the displays, but today the Super Famicom and Jap N64 looks like half the lines are missing.