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foxsat hd box -> hauppauge winTV 1100

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Old 14-03-2010, 10:53 PM   #1
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foxsat hd box -> hauppauge winTV 1100

hello people,

New to the forum so greetings.

Would appreciate some advice. Have just recently bought the foxsat humax hd receiver box and connected it up to the tv instead of sky. Connected via scart, picture is perfect and very happy.

My existing setup though had the sky box going out via RF to VCR and VCR connecting via RF to winTV 1100 card in PC (linux). Thus, I could tune in to channel 35 on PC and record what was coming through the VCR from sky.

The foxsat box has scart and component out. I have been trying to connect either to the 1100 card via its s-video in socket yet all I get through tvtime, xawtv etc... is a blackness with a faint snowstorm. If I switch the tv output in the freesat setup menu to RGB then the snowstorm starts to resemble the picture but still a snowstorm.

Am I missing something vital?

Not least, I fully realise the 1100 is dvb-t rather than dvb-s but given I am using the s-video socket does that matter?

Was the VCR inbetween the sky box and card in the original setup converting a dvb-s signal into analog?

All I want is the card to capture the current picture on the box. Can anyone help please?

Thanks and regards

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Old 14-03-2010, 11:31 PM   #2
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From the sound of it, your original setup had the RF output from the Sky box going into the RF or "aerial" in on your VCR. If correct, the signal would have been an analogue one on a UHF frequency. Your VCR therefore only acted as a connector with your computer card's analogue RF input.

Where your confusion may have arisen is that I understand the software then converts analogue input into an MPEG-2 encoded file to record it. This is the same encoding used by DVB-T but not, incidentally, DVB-S2/H264 which is used for Freesat HD.

I think one solution may be to use the VCR to do what you thought it was. Connect the SCART on your Humax to the SCART input on your VCR. Then set up the VCR as if it were doing the recording. It should then send an analogue RF output to your computer card.

The right solution however would seem to be to use the S-Video output from the Humax straight into your card which I understand also accepts this signal. I would suggest you first check that you are using the SCART socket on the Humax marked "VCR" as the TV one can also be configured to RGB. You should also have a SCART lead that carries the S-Video signal (not all do) with the appropriate plugs at the other end (and, of course, plugged into the correct inputs on your card)

Reading the specs of the Wintv 1100 shows it does not accept RGB signals, merely composite ones. The "CVBS" setting on the Humax output menu may help here. In that case, you would need a SCART lead with the "red, white, yellow" RCA plugs at the other end.

The matter of the leads is crutial and I suspect at the root of your problems. As a matter of interest, I presume you do not have an HD ready TV or you would not be using the SCART socket to connect to it. If you do, make sure you use the HDMI lead that came with your Humax or you will not be getting HD pictures. Nor, of course, will your WinTV setup be recording in HD.

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Old 15-03-2010, 8:37 AM   #3
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Thanks for replying.

I have played some more and here are the results.

Wanted to leave the vcr out of the loop since the signal quality is greatly reduced but will go back to it as last resort (still have video tapes to format shift anyway).

Connected foxsat to card via a component->s-video cable. I have a couple of scart adapters lying around so added one of them onto the end so ran scart->s-video. The scart was in the VCR socket of the foxsat and on the setup menu, the setting for the VCR scart was set to s-video.

Loaded tvtime and changed the input config to s-video and got nothing but a blank screen.

Also, tried without the scart by connecting the cable from the component output ports on the foxsat. Unfortunately, the same result.

Also, tried changing the setting on the VCR scart to CVBS and that make no difference either.

It could well be the cable ...

I do have an HD-ready tv. However, it doesnt have an HDMI input socket as its HD readiness is available through its component input. Not worried really about HD at the moment. Just getting tv capture to the computer is more important.

Thanks again for the advice so far.

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Old 15-03-2010, 9:12 AM   #4
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Thanks for replying.

I have played some more and here are the results.

Wanted to leave the vcr out of the loop since the signal quality is greatly reduced but will go back to it as last resort (still have video tapes to format shift anyway).

Connected foxsat to card via a component->s-video cable. I have a couple of scart adapters lying around so added one of them onto the end so ran scart->s-video. The scart was in the VCR socket of the foxsat and on the setup menu, the setting for the VCR scart was set to s-video.

Loaded tvtime and changed the input config to s-video and got nothing but a blank screen.

Also, tried without the scart by connecting the cable from the component output ports on the foxsat. Unfortunately, the same result.

Also, tried changing the setting on the VCR scart to CVBS and that make no difference either.

It could well be the cable ...

I do have an HD-ready tv. However, it doesnt have an HDMI input socket as its HD readiness is available through its component input. Not worried really about HD at the moment. Just getting tv capture to the computer is more important.

Thanks again for the advice so far.

phantomjinx
You can't connect a component output to a S-video input. You need a scart adaptor like this plugged into the TV scart and the output set to s-video in the setup menus

SCART to AV Adapter Plug 3 x Phonos/SVHS IN/OUT Switch on eBay (end time 25-Mar-10 17:34:12 GMT)

You will also need to connect the red and white stereo audio plugs.
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Old 15-03-2010, 9:24 AM   #5
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Thanks.

Purchased and awaiting delivery.

Would I need to get hold of an s-video cable (s-video both ends) or will my current RCA(Red, White, Yellow) -> s-video cable be sufficient?

Cheers

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Old 15-03-2010, 10:43 AM   #6
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Thanks.

Purchased and awaiting delivery.

Would I need to get hold of an s-video cable (s-video both ends) or will my current RCA(Red, White, Yellow) -> s-video cable be sufficient?

Cheers

phantomjinx
The yellow cable is composite (CVBS - Composite Video and Blanking)) S-video has two cables inside (It seperates the Luminance and Chrominance signals which are combined onto one connection on CVBS), so yes you need a s-video cable. Just leave out the yellow plugs.
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Old 15-03-2010, 11:36 AM   #7
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Apologies Graham but your answer has confused me a little.

I currently have one of these:
Cables To Go 2m S-Video + Audio to 3 Rca Type Adapter: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo

which as far as I can tell is RCA composite to s-video?. Is this not sufficient to plug in to the three RCA sockets on the scart adapter I have now purchased?

It has the audio lead that I plug into the line-in of the card built-in which saves a lead or again is this not the case?

Happy to buy an s-video cable to plug into the scart adapter's s-video socket but really want to be sure.

Sorry to be a pain.

Cheers

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Old 15-03-2010, 12:13 PM   #8
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Apologies Graham but your answer has confused me a little.

I currently have one of these:
Cables To Go 2m S-Video + Audio to 3 Rca Type Adapter: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo

which as far as I can tell is RCA composite to s-video?. Is this not sufficient to plug in to the three RCA sockets on the scart adapter I have now purchased?

It has the audio lead that I plug into the line-in of the card built-in which saves a lead or again is this not the case?

Happy to buy an s-video cable to plug into the scart adapter's s-video socket but really want to be sure.

Sorry to be a pain.

Cheers

phantomjinx
You can easily convert from s-video to composite by simply joining the two connections but not vice versa. In any case doing this loses the picture quality advantage of S -video over composite. apart from the adaptor you need a pair of RCA phonos for the Audio and a S-video lead for the video
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Old 15-03-2010, 12:31 PM   #9
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right.

Audio cable sorted. s-video cable on its way...

Thanks very much for your help.

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