Receiving Freesat from another room?

Evilpandatype · 19-11-2009, 2:52 AM

Hi,

I'm not very knowledgeable about how we receive TV signals, but tried to find out more from the internet.

I have an existing Set-Top Box connected to a Sat-Dish that receives Freesat.

I have a TV cable (maybe called Coaxial Cable?) that runs in a different room upstairs.

I was wondering if both these cables are linked so that I might be able to receive the same Freesat channels;
or am I forced to get a separate Sat-Dish, or if there was a way to receive these channels (particularly the BBC and ITV HD ones) without getting it?

Any help appreciated, EPT

Mike02 · 19-11-2009, 3:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilpandatype

Hi,

I'm not very knowledgeable about how we receive TV signals, but tried to find out more from the internet.

I have an existing Set-Top Box connected to a Sat-Dish that receives Freesat.

I have a TV cable (maybe called Coaxial Cable?) that runs in a different room upstairs.

I was wondering if both these cables are linked so that I might be able to receive the same Freesat channels;
or am I forced to get a separate Sat-Dish, or if there was a way to receive these channels (particularly the BBC and ITV HD ones) without getting it?

Any help appreciated, EPT

Hi EPT,
You should look up your nearest satellite installers and ask them round.
By the sounds of it you will need to have a Quad Lnb fitted to your
dish and they will advise on extra cabling to your rooms.

Mike02 · 19-11-2009, 3:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike02

Hi EPT,
You should look up your nearest satellite installers and ask them round.
By the sounds of it you will need to have a Quad Lnb fitted to your
dish and they will advise on extra cabling to your rooms*.

*if you have a second freesat/FTA box

Mike02 · 19-11-2009, 3:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilpandatype

Hi,

I'm not very knowledgeable about how we receive TV signals, but tried to find out more from the internet.

I have an existing Set-Top Box connected to a Sat-Dish that receives Freesat.

I have a TV cable (maybe called Coaxial Cable?) that runs in a different room upstairs.

I was wondering if both these cables are linked so that I might be able to receive the same Freesat channels;
or am I forced to get a separate Sat-Dish, or if there was a way to receive these channels (particularly the BBC and ITV HD ones) without getting it?

Any help appreciated, EPT

I'll make this a lot easier mate for you to understand.

If the existing box is a Freesat box, and is connected to your dish and you
receive all channels with a strong signal - its OK

If you are planning on having a second Freesat/FTA box - look up a satellite
installer in your area, to advise on extra cabling etc.,

Hope this helps.

al_yrpal · 19-11-2009, 9:11 PM

Heres the answer if you fancy DIY - just replace the LNB with another one with more feeds, buy some decoders or Freesat TV's with a decoder built in and you are off.....

new multi-room freesat installation - what do I need?

Al

Evilpandatype · 20-11-2009, 1:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike02

Hi EPT,
You should look up your nearest satellite installers and ask them round.
By the sounds of it you will need to have a Quad Lnb fitted to your
dish and they will advise on extra cabling to your rooms.

Quote:

Originally Posted by al_yrpal

Heres the answer if you fancy DIY - just replace the LNB with another one with more feeds, buy some decoders or Freesat TV's with a decoder built in and you are off.....

new multi-room freesat installation - what do I need?

Al

I looked up what LNB's are and I think I know what they do.

If I install the Quad, where would the extra lead connect to?
Do all coaxial's lead to some kind of central hub, maybe in the attic?

The reasons I'm asking is because I'm not sure how the downstairs Sat cables connect to the coaxial in the upstairs room
(I tried looking it up, but there's so many acronyms and terminology I don't understand), or

If I would have to do some horror story DIY and smash a hole in some drywall.

I'm likely to need a satellite installer to do the work, but I'm hoping it won't cost too much.

I'm planning on getting a TV with built in Freesat if that helps to give me more details about what I should do.

Thanks for such swift replies

Mike02 · 20-11-2009, 1:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Evilpandatype

I looked up what LNB's are and I think I know what they do.

If I install the Quad, where would the extra lead connect to?
Do all coaxial's lead to some kind of central hub, maybe in the attic?

The reasons I'm asking is because I'm not sure how the downstairs Sat cables connect to the coaxial in the upstairs room
(I tried looking it up, but there's so many acronyms and terminology I don't understand), or

If I would have to do some horror story DIY and smash a hole in some drywall.

I'm likely to need a satellite installer to do the work, but I'm hoping it won't cost too much.

I'm planning on getting a TV with built in Freesat if that helps to give me more details about what I should do.

Thanks for such swift replies

Your wording gives you away mate. You actually know more than you
let on. See what others think

Mike02 · 20-11-2009, 1:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike02

Your wording gives you away mate. You actually know more than you
let on. See what others think

Why should the Quad lnb connect to a hub in an attic?
No I've not been drinking lol but some posters have been
going into so much detail describing silly things...

Apologies - I misread the point you made on the hub in the attic.

but look at this lol:

I have a TV cable (maybe called Coaxial Cable?) that runs in a different room upstairs.

I was wondering if both these cables are linked so that I might be able to receive the same Freesat channels;

Evilpandatype · 20-11-2009, 2:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike02

Why should the Quad lnb connect to a hub in an attic?
No I've not been drinking lol but some posters have been
going into so much detail describing silly things...

What I meant was: if all the Coaxial cables run into a central hub - so that maybe I wouldn't have to open walls and rewire cables
from up/downstairs to get the satellite feed to my upstairs TV.

I'm not sure what you mean by my wording giving me away, I've just used the same terms Al_yrpal and yourself have used
and I do try to do a lot of the research/leg work my self to find a quick solution.
I try to pick up words quickly and maintain a good level of English to be clearer to readers if that's what you mean.
Surely I wouldn't have anything to gain asking questions I know the answers to?

I'm genuinely just asking for some advice, as stumbling upon this forum,
I have found members to be very helpful and understanding.

Mike02 · 20-11-2009, 2:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Evilpandatype

What I meant was: if all the Coaxial cables run into a central hub - so that maybe I wouldn't have to open walls and rewire cables
from up/downstairs to get the satellite feed to my upstairs TV.

I'm not sure what you mean by my wording giving me away, I've just used the same terms Al_yrpal and yourself have used
and I do try to do a lot of the research/leg work my self to find a quick solution.
I try to pick up words quickly and maintain a good level of English to be clearer to readers if that's what you mean.
Surely I wouldn't have anything to gain asking questions I know the answers to?

I'm genuinely just asking for some advice, as stumbling upon this forum,
I have found members to be very helpful and understanding.

Sorry mate I didn't mean to offend hope you didn't take it that way
but some posters go well ott...I'm sure you have spotted
quite a few

...I can be added to the list!

Evilpandatype · 20-11-2009, 2:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike02

Sorry mate I didn't mean to offend hope you didn't take it that way
but some posters go well ott...I'm sure you have spotted
quite a few

...I can be added to the list!

No harm done mate.

I've only just joined so I don't know about any OTT posters,
do they just waste your time with pointless questions or something?
I don't actually own a HDTV yet, so I've literally just started to research all the information
I think I will need and why I might seem a bit 'noob-ish'.

Thanks for mentioning the LNB though it's given me a solution to my problem, even though I don't fully understand how it works

Mike02 · 20-11-2009, 2:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Evilpandatype

No harm done mate.

I've only just joined so I don't know about any OTT posters,
do they just waste your time with pointless questions or something?
I don't actually own a HDTV yet, so I've literally just started to research all the information
I think I will need and why I might seem a bit 'noob-ish'.

Thanks for mentioning the LNB though it's given me a solution to my problem, even though I don't fully understand how it works

Don't worry about it mate. Its just that I have been tripped up a few times
so I try to be as accurate as I can when giving advice to anyone.
I have been known to say I'm out of my depth.....and meant it

No, posters don't waste my time mate. Some of the posts can be rather amusing though. If you're thinking of an HD tv you wouldn't go far
wrong with Samsung [I used to watched a lot of the High Tech Toys & Electronic shows on QVC] and the guy demonstrating them Nick kept going
on about their high contrast ratios or whatever - so they get a good name.

Its took me ages to go scroll through all my posts - to show you some of my replies. As I said I can get out of my depth:

Originally Posted by SWIZZ? View Post

On grounds of freedom of choice I can accept this idea !

Just to clarify what is going on here. & I know & am happy that you are free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Freesat is constitutionally not willing or able to display subs channels in its EPG. Fine !

I & all others watch Freesat on a STB not made by or owned by Freesat. I think that I actually own my STB.

So what is to stop some enterprising & competent STB maker showing the Freesat EPG together with non-Freesat channels, chosen by the box owner, on their own EPG ?

It might take a little code-breaking, but nothing beyond a team of determined Brits.

Yes, you own the box but not the technical specifications,
which are set out by BBC and ITV.
So it wouldn't be feasible to add the non -Freesat mode
and another EPG.

There's a lot of techies in here that will cover it in depth...
I'm out of mine..

I won't put links here as this is a Freesat forum -
but it is technically possible to build your own STB
open source project.
But this doesn't help you in any way as you want
to combine Freesat EPG with your own EPG/mix of channels
which can't be done I'm afraid. [Technical reasons permit]

Thanks Mike,
No one bothered to contradict you, so it cant be easy & probably impossible.
Does that mean that the HDR's CI module is for use only in non Freesat mode?
Has anyone used it yet?
I'm interested in pay per view soccer, when Sly's monopoly is eventually adjudged to be illegal.

It IS possible for me to be contradicted. I was waiting on someone employed in this field to say I was talking c**p!!!
AFAIK the CI is a dedicated slot for CAMS - how Humax
introduced this feature is beyond me. Its for encryption
as you know.

....the following replies were guys taking about using Dragon cards in the CI slot

so there's much, much, more where this came from, if you wish to go to the forum

Evilpandatype · 20-11-2009, 11:31 PM

I contacted a few Satellite Installers via their website and Livechat, all quotes were around £130!

As I had a look around the Sat-Dish and the cables leading into the house, I found it way too confusing
and I fear that I might mess something up with DIY, so I guess getting someone else to do it is my only option.

Freesat doesn't sound so free anymore...

Mike02 · 20-11-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Evilpandatype

I contacted a few Satellite Installers via their website and Livechat, all quotes were around £130!

As I had a look around the Sat-Dish and the cables leading into the house, I found it way too confusing
and I fear that I might mess something up with DIY, so I guess getting someone else to do it is my only option.

Freesat doesn't sound so free anymore...

Hi mate

Once you get over the initial shock of paying for everything its fine.
I'm still confused, do you plan to get another Freesat or FTA?

Evilpandatype · 21-11-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike02

Hi mate

Once you get over the initial shock of paying for everything its fine.
I'm still confused, do you plan to get another Freesat or FTA?

After looking up FTA. I think I'm looking to get Freesat, although it seems a shame I won't be able to watch European channels if I want to
(although I don't think I would, it's nice to have the option) - are there any other disadvantages to getting Freesat over FTA?

To be (geekily) honest, I'm only getting a HDTV (my first) to play a few games of footy and watch BBC/ITV footy matches in HD.

Mike02 · 21-11-2009, 1:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Evilpandatype

After looking up FTA. I think I'm looking to get Freesat, although it seems a shame I won't be able to watch European channels if I want to
(although I don't think I would, it's nice to have the option) - are there any other disadvantages to getting Freesat over FTA?

To be (geekily) honest, I'm only getting a HDTV (my first) to play a few games of footy and watch BBC/ITV footy matches in HD.

You get FTA anyway with Freesat.
Have you decided on any particular brand of tv?

Evilpandatype · 21-11-2009, 1:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike02

You get FTA anyway with Freesat.
Have you decided on any particular brand of tv?

Oh. A quick search on the 'net said that I had to choose between the two,
but if you're right, then I guess I don't have much to worry about.

But I must of misunderstood your question also: does getting Freesat or FTA mean different installation components are needed?
Or did you mean something else?

After much research and deliberation I have my heart set on the Sony Z5800.
Although I like the look of the LG SL9500 and SL8000, considering such reviewers such as TrustedReviews.com,
I find the only disadvantages are TV slimness and the dreaded clouding issues, which may now be less common.

I'm also quite brand loyal and most of my stuff is Sony.

Mike02 · 21-11-2009, 2:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Evilpandatype

Oh. A quick search on the 'net said that I had to choose between the two,
but if you're right, then I guess I don't have much to worry about.

But I must of misunderstood your question also: does getting Freesat or FTA mean different installation components are needed?
Or did you mean something else?

After much research and deliberation I have my heart set on the Sony Z5800.
Although I like the look of the LG SL9500 and SL8000, considering such reviewers such as TrustedReviews.com,
I find the only disadvantages are TV slimness and the dreaded clouding issues, which may now be less common.

I'm also quite brand loyal and most of my stuff is Sony.

I used to have a Sony equalizer at one time

going to look up those sets back in a bit

I just had time to look at the Sony. If you trade in your tv , you get £150 off
Are you going to wall mount it or have it on a tv stand ?

Evilpandatype · 21-11-2009, 2:14 AM

Could you clarify the question you were asking before too please mate?
I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing any details out.

As you know, I'm a first time...everything, to do with TV's and TV Set-up.

Edit: I'm likely to put it on a stand first as I may be moving homes soon.
Plus, after some research it seems there's many things to consider before wall mounting.

I'm also planning on getting a 40" or 46", since the the TV I own currently is only 28",
I need to see it in person to make sure it's big enough

Mike02 · 21-11-2009, 2:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Evilpandatype

Could you clarify the question you were asking before too please mate?
I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing any details out.

As you know, I'm a first time...everything, to do with TV's and TV Set-up.

what question?

About FTA?

Evilpandatype · 21-11-2009, 2:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike02

Hi mate

Once you get over the initial shock of paying for everything its fine.
I'm still confused, do you plan to get another Freesat or FTA?

Ha ha, I meant this question ^.

Mike02 · 21-11-2009, 2:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike02

what question?

About FTA?

Confusion lol we posted at the same time

Evilpandatype · 21-11-2009, 2:24 AM

Ha ha, yeah. This is the long way round to having a discussion

Mike02 · 21-11-2009, 2:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Evilpandatype

Ha ha, I meant this question ^.

I understand your original post was referring to your setup.
You said you had an existing box connected to a dish

I suggested [because you didn't seem too sure] that if its a Freesat
box connected to your dish - It was OK

With you going on about other cables etc.., I took it you
were thinking on having a second set up

Evilpandatype · 21-11-2009, 2:31 AM

Oh right I see.

I'm planning on getting a TV with Freesat built in, so that should mean I don't have to buy another box.

I just didn't know how connecting the LNB from downstairs would effect the TV coaxial upstairs
unless they were both connected through some kind of hub.

I probably am confusing people since I'm new at all this

Mike02 · 21-11-2009, 2:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Evilpandatype

Oh right I see.

I'm planning on getting a TV with Freesat built in, so that should mean I don't have to buy another box.

I just didn't know how connecting the LNB from downstairs would effect the TV coaxial upstairs
unless they were both connected through some kind of hub.

I probably am confusing people since I'm new at all this

come on mate you know this is pure nonsense:

I just didn't know how connecting the LNB from downstairs would effect the TV coaxial upstairs
unless they were both connected through some kind of hub.

I'm just going along with it not to cause offence

Evilpandatype · 21-11-2009, 2:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike02

come on mate you know this is pure nonsense:

I just didn't know how connecting the LNB from downstairs would effect the TV coaxial upstairs
unless they were both connected through some kind of hub.

It would help if you could explain why it's nonsense.

I can't stress enough: I am new at ALL of this, I've never bought a TV before let alone set everything up for it

Mike02 · 21-11-2009, 2:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Evilpandatype

It would help if you could explain why it's nonsense.

I can't stress enough: I am new at ALL of this, I've never bought a TV before let alone set everything up for it

1. If you were new to this you wouldn't keep persisting
2. You were told the LNB goes on your dish [which you will already know] so why keep saying its from downstairs...lol

Evilpandatype · 21-11-2009, 2:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike02

1. If you were new to this you wouldn't keep persisting
2. You were told the LNB goes on your dish [which you will already know] so why keep saying its from downstairs...lol

1. Surely if I am new to this, I would persist to get all the facts right?

2. I guess we misunderstood each other again:
I know the LNB goes on the Dish, but the lead/cable from the LNB is what I'm unsure of.
One lead will obviously go to the original Freesat already downstairs, but what I didn't know
is where the secondary lead would go to, which I assume there is (a second lead/cable)?

Mike02 · 21-11-2009, 2:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Evilpandatype

1. Surely if I am new to this, I would persist to get all the facts right?

2. I guess we misunderstood each other again:
I know the LNB goes on the Dish, but the lead/cable from the LNB is what I'm unsure of.
One lead will obviously go to the original Freesat already downstairs, but what I didn't know
is where the secondary lead would go to, which I assume there is (a second lead/cable)?

quad lnb is 4 leads mate

I was waiting on the next instalment lol

You were advised to have a satellite installer call round and carry out all this work for you anyway as you seem incompetent to do it yourself

...well past my bedtime... laterz