[Ayman]

For anyone whos been using the wheel stand pro, does the clamps hold the steering column in place even under force. I was thinking that after using it for sometime that the steering column would lose its strength or start to loosen.

Are there any issues using the wheel stand pro with the xbox360 steering wheel and pedals, and are you able to hold the xbox360 pedals in place?

Any help would be appreciated.

Really want to use steering wheel on Forza 3 from the get go. Used joypad with Forza 2 and when I did get steering wheel, pedals moving was always an issue, and couldnt get near my joypad times. I figure only way I would stick with steering wheel is if I dont touch the joypad on the game at all.

[Kinetic Frenzy]

I just got a WSP and have been using it for a week now and i have to say it is excellently engineered. I haven't had one facet of the wheel be it the wheel itself or the pedals move around when playing, doesn't matter how much i rag it about

All you have to do is to make things hand tight because they use very good and very clever fixings.

As for the pedals, once you use the plate and fix them to the stand they are going nowhere, you'll have to push the whole stand through whatever's in front of you to get them to move and even then they'll still be fixed to the stand

[GMC79]

Better get an order in now then so u have it, order now prob may be monday/tuesday u will have it.
Not used mine with the 360 wheel but i agree it's a stunning bit of kit.

[screemer]

Which wheel is everyone using? I want to get a wheelstand pro and wheel for Forza but i dont want any crap.

[Kinetic Frenzy]

Hi Screemer, The M$ wheel is very good for its price of £70 and i think Game may still be doing it for £60 when bought with anything else (just buy the cheapest thing in the store). I'd held off for ages from getting one thinking that it was poor for some reason but it's easily every bit as good as my memories of the Logitech DFP (PS3 only) which itself is a very good wheel...

However if you want the uber wheel then be prepared to part with uber cash and get yourself the fanatec. Just make sure if you do that your interest in Forza 3 is more than a fad!

[Ayman]

I got MS Official Wheel and pedals and think its a quality product, and just ordered the wheel stand pro after alot of reading around these forums.

I am now trying to find out if I can add pedals with clutch and gear stick to my MS wheel at a reasonable price as I can not pay up for fanatec wheel. If I had the cash then the Fanatec would be my first choice.

[GMC79]

Originally Posted by Ayman

I got MS Official Wheel and pedals and think its a quality product, and just ordered the wheel stand pro after alot of reading around these forums.

I am now trying to find out if I can add pedals with clutch and gear stick to my MS wheel at a reasonable price as I can not pay up for fanatec wheel. If I had the cash then the Fanatec would be my first choice.

-Na sorry pretty sure that not possible with the MS wheel.

[screemer]

Originally Posted by Kinetic Frenzy

Hi Screemer, The M$ wheel is very good for its price of £70 and i think Game may still be doing it for £60 when bought with anything else (just buy the cheapest thing in the store). I'd held off for ages from getting one thinking that it was poor for some reason but it's easily every bit as good as my memories of the Logitech DFP (PS3 only) which itself is a very good wheel...

However if you want the uber wheel then be prepared to part with uber cash and get yourself the fanatec. Just make sure if you do that your interest in Forza 3 is more than a fad!

Alreet Decker lad, how goes it? WHich Fanatec is it? They seem to have loads on there site? Do i have to order through Fanatec or does anywhere else sell them?

[Kinetic Frenzy]

I loose track Screemer, there's so many different versions and it depends which consoles you want it to work on.

I think you need the one that works on everything as this i think is the only one which importantly works with the 360.


@ GMC sorry mate i haven't forgotten i promised pictures of my wheel set up on the wheel stand i will do it this week.

[Andy 1974]

I've also just ordered the WSP and I am ready to buy the MS Wheel,i'm hoping this gets released in the UK.

[Blacbul]

Originally Posted by Kinetic Frenzy

I loose track Screemer, there's so many different versions and it depends which consoles you want it to work on.

I think you need the one that works on everything as this i think is the only one which importantly works with the 360.


@ GMC sorry mate i haven't forgotten i promised pictures of my wheel set up on the wheel stand i will do it this week.

Its the Turbo S version you need, its the multi platform version and therefore only one compatible with the 360. I have one on order myself (the Clubsport edition as this comes with the all aluminum pedals the other version comes with standard pedals). I will be using it with both Forza and GT5 when it is released.

Its the best "mid priced" wheel out there, all in costing me about £550!! But bear in mind that cost includes the Fanatec wheel stand which bumped the price up about £100. I went for the Club sport edition simply because If I bought the standard edition the uber pedals would be another £150 when I bought separately at a later date (which I know I would have!!). So there is a (relative) saving to be made in buying them as an integral package.

[Kinetic Frenzy]

i'm sure the fanetec will be good but i doubt it will be 10x better than the M$ wheel. Personally i'd have to play racing games non stop to justify such expenditure...

[Blacbul]

Originally Posted by Kinetic Frenzy

i'm sure the fanetec will be good but i doubt it will be 10x better than the M$ wheel. Personally i'd have to play racing games non stop to justify such expenditure...

Lol!! You could well be right but **** it I know I wont regret it and I pretty much will be playing nothing else for a good few months at least!! then when GT5 is finally released it will definately justify my flagrent disregard of the credit crunch

[JazzyFonze]

Originally Posted by Kinetic Frenzy

i'm sure the fanetec will be good but i doubt it will be 10x better than the M$ wheel. Personally i'd have to play racing games non stop to justify such expenditure...

...and for that reason, I'm out!

The Wheel Stand Pro looks really good tho, might have to invest in one soon!

[BYF]

I'm going to have a go at making a Wheel Stand Pro variation, doesn't look much to it really.

[nick501]

Originally Posted by BYF

I'm going to have a go at making a Wheel Stand Pro variation, doesn't look much to it really.

For which wheel mate?

[screemer]

I'm still undecided whether to go for the Fanatec or the MS wheel. I guess the big appeal with the fanatec is the clutch?? that would make it so much better i reckon. Does the MS wheel work ok with the wheelstand??

[Kinetic Frenzy]

M$ wheel works perfectly with the WSP. I will take some photos of how it sets up once i've recovered from the flu.

[screemer]

dont u reckon the clutch with manual gears would be ace on the Fanatec though Decker??

[Kinetic Frenzy]

I'm not so sure Screemer. Fair dos for stock production cars but once you get to those cars which are professionally built for racing then you're never going to be using an H-shifter, it's either sequential padles or sequential stick (forwards / backwards) Plus from the vids i think the clutch appears to be on off with no biting point as in a real car which also tends to defeat the purpose though i may be wrong about this.

The other thing is that from the Youtube videos and of the posted reviews about the Fanatec one of the criticisms is the noisy gearbox - it does sound very noisy and incredibly plasticky which spoils the illusion / immersion somewhat.

I'd also have to get the aluminium pedals with the force feedback in the brake pedal and go the whole hog, if i were to find a spare £450 down the back of the sofa

[screemer]

So MS wheel and paddle shifts then???

[Kinetic Frenzy]

works for me but i'm not saying it has to work for others. check out this review:

YouTube - Volant Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo S - Part 1/2

YouTube - Volant FANATEC Porsche 911 Turbo S - Part 2/2

in short:

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- Exceptional Return of force. (precision in Forza 3)
- The wheel -> super quality.
- very good feelings driving.
- compact format of the wheel
- The style of the Porsche wheel
- memory and adjustments
- hardness of the brake pedals

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- plastic pedals
- very noisy gear shift lever
- plastic gear shift lever
- accelerator pedal a little too flexible

My opinion : The improvement of the gear shift lever is to be envisaged.
I would like a gear shift lever “club quiet sport” and aluminum

[screemer]

any reviews of the ms wheel with Forza 3?

[screemer]

Oh, and wheres the best place to get the wheelstand from? is it just direct?

[Kinetic Frenzy]

you get the wheel stand pro direct only takes a few days from you placing your order to you receiving your goods.

Going off the Forza 3 demo the M$ wheel is good, every bit as good as it is with Forza 2 which i think it works great with. The only "downside" i found with the wheel with the Forza 3 demo is that you can enduce huge oversteer which can cost you time compared with the pad where it didn't matter how much full lock you put on or for how long you could never get the car pointing the wrong way down the track

[bad robot]

Originally Posted by screemer

any reviews of the ms wheel with Forza 3?

Acceptable Quality/Performance
Like many things it comes down to what your used to, that forms your opinion on how good or indeed what is or isnt good.
I will say this that the X360 Official wheel is excellent value for money and is not by any means a bad product. Getting used to and adapting to a wheel can take some people a couple of days good play before they start to really get the hang of it.

We Await A Full FM3 Turbo S Review Yet
Just to point out the earlier linked review for the Fanatec wheel I believe is from one of the "Turbo S Beta Wheels" that thomas has sent out to testers. It is missing certain features like the drift mode and the vibrating accelerator including vibrating ABS which will only work on the more expensive Clubsport pedals. These features are NOT supported on the "Beta" wheels that testers currnetly have been showcasing.

FM3 Ultimate Review
As yet their hasnt been a review done showcasing ALL these features for the full "Retail" Turbo S product inc the Clubsport pedals and looking at the new features. I will be looking at the wheel and putting all the features to the test on my own triple screen configuration partnered with the latest Buttkicker to really experience the game as well as possible.
As for the Turbo S wheel, its the best mainstream wheel on the market and for many reasons. The FFB is much stronger than even a G25 and the belt drive is smoother, more accurate and nicer to use. Compared to the standard X360 wheel Id say the FFB is about 3x stronger at max settings but just like the price is vastly different so is the build quality and performance.

Finally in giving the Turbo S a fair chance because of its high price you have to take into account all its features and build quality. Bear in mind as well that the official wheel is locked at 210 degrees while the Turbo S will support upto 900 degrees. Consoles however are limited to 256bits increments of travel/resolution within the pedals compared to a possible 1024 on the PC via USB. This is one reason console sims with only a 1/4 of the PC's resoluton cannot offer the same precision in throttle/brake control. Even so it would take the best sim drivers to really make much notice/usage of this. Still Id almost put money on an experienced sim racer to be faster on say the PC version of SHIFT than the X360 or PS3 version with the same wheel because of this additional pedal resolution.

Do not however think that if you splash out all that money on a fancy wheel you will be 0.5 faster, you might not be any faster at all and its likely that if you are it will be minimal. You will however feel and get much more enjoyment from a Turbo S than you will from the official wheel. Its just a much more satisifying product to use. If your going to be playing racing games quite a bit then yes its probably worth the investment.

Wheel Stand Pro
I still have upcoming reviews of both wheel stand products to be tested with ALL mainstream wheels and should have a Turbo S "Retail" wheel from the first batch due in soon. So expect future reports on my pages at gtforums. The WSP is indeed excellent with the benifit of being able to tilt forward/aft for the wheel. The Fanatec wheelstand is nicer looking a bit beefier and will go much higher but more expensive and cant tilt towards the user.

Here is my close up look at the "Beta" Turbo S

[Kinetic Frenzy]

BR - do you know if the awfully loud clicking noise the shifter makes is still there on production versions of the Fanatec wheel?

Personally i like the asthetics of the WSP more than the rennsport, cleaner lines, rennsport looks a bit like a cheap piece of argos gym equipment at the bottom All IMO of course

[bad robot]

Originally Posted by Kinetic Frenzy

BR - do you know if the awfully loud clicking noise the shifter makes is still there on production versions of the Fanatec wheel?

Personally i like the asthetics of the WSP more than the rennsport, cleaner lines, rennsport looks a bit like a cheap piece of argos gym equipment at the bottom All IMO of course

Yes they go CLICK CLICK mate.
I reckon you would soon learn not to hear it, me I stick with paddles tbh.

I found G25 gears felt pure wick, loose and disjointed so neither wheel set has a great set of gears like some of the more pro stuff out their.

[ChrisAV]

Hi

Like you I played Forza 2 (and all other racing games aside from a couple of PS1 and PC games) with a gamepad. I'd tried a wheel with PS1 (hopeless) and PC (mounted to desk and better but awkward seating position).

Anyway, as I like to think of myself a an "enthusiastic" driver (as I explained to to the constable with the speed gun), I got myself an MS wheel for £60 from Gamesatation (told them it was that price in Game, they never checked ).

So with Forza 3 demo downloaded I wired it up, and was pretty disappointed - sure it felt more like actual driving, but to be honest I struggled on "easy" when I could win comfortably on "hard" with the gamepad (though in fairness I was using manual gears with the wheel but auto with the pad).

So the wheel sat idle for a week until I decided to splash out on wheel stand pro and what a difference it made! First race (without tweaking the the WTP set up, so peddles a bit of stretch, wheel a bit close) I won straight away on "hard". Waste of £60 turned into £160 well spent!

Downsides: not quite as fast as the pad (obviously you can't go lock to lock as fast on a wheel as on a pad)

Upsides: feels much more like actual driving, you tend to drive more like you're actually in the a car (holding back, waiting for a chance to pass rather than driving full throttle and bouncing off other cars (in an arcady sort of way, if that makes sense)

Yes, I' d love to spend more and get the full Fanatec setup, but MS wheel and WSP works great as a budget option (certainly more realistic than a pad) and the lack of rotation isn't a problem for me (but then I drive an Alfa which is only 2.1 turns lock to lock anyway), and when was the last time you saw an F1 driver spinning the wheel?

Conclusion: after many years of playing with a pad I'm finally happy to switch to a wheel, provided it's mounted to wheel stand pro.

EDIT: one other point, if you mount the pedals closer to you (i.e towards the end where the wheel support shaft folds), then the unit doesn't fold fully since the support shaft fouls on the pedal tray.

Cheers

Chris

[Andy 1974]

The foot plate for my WSP keeps moving,anybody else have this problem.I've tightened the screw as much as i can,anybody any solutions?