Hypocritical Forums

[phelings]

I just get annoyed at hypocrisy.As Stuarts reply above shows he offers no excuses other than what ads appear are none of my business,which points out what a total farce the situation is.I cannot post a link to Sonel or KTVision,but alink to an AVForum ad would be ok.
Ok Stuart,they are your forums ,fair enough,but your replies have simply confirmed the whole point of my original post.So as long as cash comes in(like the ad directly above this post while I write-"macrovision filter")its ok,but if links are given in a post then its not.
Rasczak,Google ads are not easily traceable as I have advertised myself and found it not to be the case.
Regarding my previous "form".That was a deliberate posting to show the DVD Forums what a bunch of idiots they were also regarding this same matter.
However,they did not even have the balls to argue the point,they suspended me and forced me to assume a number of different ID's.
Can't advertise Macrovison removal leads,but ok to advertise completely illegal porn on the Adult DVD Forum.Confusing?

[hornydragon]

anybody want to comment on my relevant question?
How does rule 5 apply? if the link is to a forum sponsor or Google advertiser?

5. Post promotional information about any illegal activities (including bulk piracy of VCDs & DVDs). We will not permit people to use the forums to distribute files which are pirated or aid in the production of pirated material.

I assume as long as i dont post Macrovision is the problem and this removes that is OK?

There are some grey areas. Can people talk about equipment which amongst other functions, can be used to copy copyrighted material? The answer depends on the context of the discussion.

Specifically with regard to certain interconnects which remove macrovision and are perfectly legal to buy and use provided their use does not infringe copyright.

If the discussion focuses on their use to circumvent Macrovision specifically to enable copying then the discussion is not appropriate.

If the discussion focuses on their use to circumvent Macrovision to solve a display problem caused by Macrovision on certain display devices then the discussion is ok.

[mhuk05]

why do the google ads take people away from the forum? not open in a new window

This is because opening a new window or pop-up is not good design. People enter and leave websites all the time, users are free to right-click and open in a new window.

Have a look at webuseability site run by Jacon Nielsen (can't remember the url, google will find it) if you are interested.

[kelvin]

Originally Posted by hornydragon

anybody want to comment on my relevant question?
How does rule 5 apply? if the link is to a forum sponsor or Google advertiser?

I assume as long as i dont post Macrovision is the problem and this removes that is OK?

Just my 2p's worth, but I would assume that any retailer expressly promoting the use of their products for copyright infringement purposes (e.g. to bulk pirate) wouldn't last for too long...

I think Stuart's explanation in the appendum to the rules is fairly self explanatory - the forums won't be seen to be "promoting" piracy, but at the same time, there is an appreciation that some protection mechanisms also have legitimate reasons for circumvention. When this is the case, and discussion doesn't centre around "how can I copy x", it will be permitted. Where it falls into realms which clearly concern piracy, it won't. My understanding is that this logic carries across into providing links to certain items - depending upon the context of the discussion a link may or may not be allowed regardless of the product concerned (i.e. a link may be permitted in one thread, but not in another if you see what I mean).

Kelvin

[Rasczak]

As Stuarts reply above shows he offers no excuses other than what ads appear are none of my business

To be fair though: it's not really any of our business is it?

[phelings]

You are right-its not our business.But they could at least admit that it really is stupid if we can post a link to Sonel to remove Macrovision if someone wants to correct a display fault,but the same link cannot be posted if the question regards copying dvd's.
All devices that are designed to remove copy protection are now illegal,regardless of whether there is a legit use for them ,so there should be no difference.A link is a link no matter what.
But it still does not satifactorily explain why ads offering Macro removal are allowed to pay the bills.If Google don't care,why should we?
Regarding Stuarts earlier point that the problem was "me".I agree.The problem in this case and the DVD Forums was that on that both occasions I have shown the administrator/moderator up for being hypocrites.DVD Forums even have a communist approach in their rules that "Decisions of the moderators will not be questioned in public".
At least the point is open to discussion on here,albeit without a decent reply so far other than "its not your business" or the downtrodden "moderating a forum is not easy".
Both true,but in this argument,irrelevant and still failing to answer the original criticism

[Iain Shields]

Originally Posted by phelings

I just get annoyed at hypocrisy.

Well since you seem to think that you can shoot your mouth off at the people who "annoy" you, I think I will do the same...

What is it about the internet that makes some people think they have the right to say and do whatever they want, wherever they want to do it???

Stuart offers you (and thousands of others) a valuable source of information on pretty much all things AV related, an opportunity to join a community of like-minded people who all enjoy talking about the same hobby... AND ALL FOR FREE Now, if he wants to add some (very small) restrictions to this talk to save him getting alot of flack and being put under pressure by outside sources then I have no problems with him doing so. As had been said before, I'm sure there's plenty of other sites around that allow this type of talk, perhaps you'd be more happy posting there, especially now that you "rarely post here anymore"

When it comes down to it, this site is owned by Stuart, and as such he can run it whatever way he sees fit. Do you think you have the right to walk into his house (or anyone else's for that matter), put your feet up on the table and tell him how to run his place while insulting him? Would you put up with that?... I doubt it!!! Then why do you think you have the right to do it here???

To be honest, if this was my site, I would've deleted your membership for being so disrespectful.

Iain.

[Stuart Wright]

Iain understands.
It's always tempting to delete such a person's registration. But I usually don't for 2 reasons:
1) they might just be having a bad week and might eventually grow some sense and/or manners and contribute to the forums in a positive way.
2) it'll just end up with someone calling me a nazi. Something which happens from time to time and I don't like it.

[LV426]

Or, to put it another way, Mr Phelings

If you don't like it here, nobody's forcing you to stay. I gather that, for a similar reason, you aren't particularly welcome at DVDForums either, so you'll have to get your fun somewhere else.

[phelings]

Well,all you "yes" men are very welcome to your opinion.
This is a free country and I will say what I want when I want where I want.
Stuart has the right attitude.If he did delete me for not "appreciating" his forum he would rightly be accused of being a Nazi(although that particular term is perhaps slightly inappropriate).So what if he donates this forum for free.I'm sure he does alright out of the ad revenue.
I was bringing up a relevant point.The excuse"its his site and he can do what he wants" does not wash at all.He can exercise the right to delete me but all I asked for was a reason for this inconsistency and all I got was a tirade of "poor me" excuses.Why not just admit that you cannot police the ads aswell as the forums.
Regarding DVD Forums-those ***** who run that are not even intelligent enough to offer up any argument about their inconsistency,they just delete you.But as they found you can't keep a good dog down and I'm surprised you have not spotted my various aliases on that forum.My posts are pretty unmistakeable.It does not matter if they delete you,you can always get back on.Its just a shame they actually deleted me for something that I did not do,which was send PM to people slagging the moderators off.So the DVDF cannot even get their facts straight.
As I type this,the 4 ads shown are ALL for "Macrovision" decoders and "dvd recorder filter".They pop up so often it looks quite easy to police.

[hornydragon]

phelings having agreed with you on the inconsistency i spoke to stuart about this at length at the Bristol show where he explained he has some control of the google ads and has used all his filters to keep more important stuff off the forum.
As i understand it things are in motion but at this time we have to live with them I have accepted this explanation and hope you do too.....The forum needs ads to pay for severs and bandwidth so i have no problem with having ads.

[phelings]

I have no problem with the ads at all and in fact I am happy that these very ads do appear.
What I originally objected to was not explained properly,and this has all blown up simply because Stuart decided to take offence at my comment and pi55 himself off,aswell as me with his "not my fault" attitude,instead of just admitting that he cannot control all the ads,which obviously has embarrassed him somewhat given the previous stance on forum content

[Stuart Wright]

I'm not at all embarrased. Neither am I surprised that you have temerity to think that you know what I am feeling/thinking.
This is a classic case of someone wanting something and going about getting it in completely the wrong way.
I'd avoid deliberately winding me (or anyone else on these forums) up again if I were you.
Mean time I have more important things to think about than this. Busy busy busy!

[phelings]

But you're not me.
I did not deliberately wind you up.I simply wanted to get your attention.Thanks for proving me right.
As your post contained a threat,I have to answer-"Or What?"

[hornydragon]