[liamt]

Originally Posted by spookydarren

Don't you think it's a bit arrogant when a player starts to question the way the club is being run?

Gonna give the daily Arsenal on talk sport some ammo.

can you really blame him? top players want trophies. they are all multi millionaires anyway so extra cash isnt that big an issue when coming into the latter years. arsenal have lacked ambition selling their best players and signing has-beens or not great players.

arsenal have been also rans for almost a decade now. i can see him wanting to move. he doesnt have many years left to win anything and i cant see netherlands being the way to get trophies either.

im not sure united will get him. he is a better striker than rooney, for sure but SAF has said we are keeping rooney, chicharito, welbeck (superb at euros) and has some good youth strikers too.

i think real madrid/barca/city will get him. hell, i wouldnt be surprised to see chelski after him.

[Coffin]

Originally Posted by thfccambs

RVP is 28 at the moment.

Ai, tho he turns 29 before this coming season starts so obviously 30 next year

He's only got 1 season left in his 20's, he's never been about pace and I will be amazed if he starts as many games again next season, wherever he is

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by Coffin

Ai, tho he turns 29 before this coming season starts so obviously 30 next year

He's only got 1 season left in his 20's, he's never been about pace and I will be amazed if he starts as many games again next season, wherever he is

I like what you've done there. He's 29 about 6 days before the season starts so you can put a slant on that whichever point you want to make.

He was amazing for Arsenal last season but he has been injury prone before that. Realistically, he has 2 or 3 seasons left (at the most) at the highest level and therefore wants to make the most of it.

City have options up front if we wanted to sign him - we could let Tevez go (which I think is the most likely option) and replace him with Van Persie. I think that would equal out as the transfer fee received for Tevez and his wages would be passed on to Arsenal and RvP.

Will be interesting to see what happens.

[liamt]

surely anyone would have to be a bit crazy to take tevez after his antics? quality player but messes teams about.

[djdhrubs]

Originally Posted by liamt

surely anyone would have to be a bit crazy to take tevez after his antics? quality player but messes teams about.

Apparently Spurs have been interested in him!

I disagree with some of the comments made in the last few posts. I think money is always a big factor, even in the latter years. Why has Drogba gone to China? Whyd did Becks go to the USA, or Lineker-son to Japan in the latter part of his career? Cashing in when you've got someone who's willing to pay out is part of the game.

Also, I keep hearing about how trophies are very important. Yes, of course they are, but surely a player wants to feel like he's earned a trophy, rather than simply joining a team cos they're likely to win one?

Sorry to go back to Na$ri, but how instrumental was he to City's success? I'd say there were several other better performers than him in the City team last season. Na$ri just played well for 5 or 6 games, didn't he? Would they have lost the title without him? I don't think so.

Yet he went to City to win trophies. He's piggy-backed on other players' good performances and won a trophy. Is that what a career is all about?

Assuming Dzeko and Tevez leave City, and RVP joins, how many games is he gonna start for City? Presumably, at his age, he'd want to be an automatic starter in the 1st team, and he may well be. But that means Mario Ballerina isn't gonna start a lot of games, right? That won't go down too well.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that there's more glory for RVP if he stays at Arsenal and wins them a trophy, than if he moves to City or Madrid or whoever and wins a trophy.

Reminds me of when Henry joined Barca, was half fit, started the odd game here or there, but won the Champions league. Was that a trophy he was instrumental in winning? No.

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by liamt

surely anyone would have to be a bit crazy to take tevez after his antics? quality player but messes teams about.

There will be plenty of teams willing to take Tevez on, should he leave.

[liamt]

now PSG are into the race too.

Abbeygoo - im sure there is. but they must be nervous in the back of their mind about what antics he will get up to.

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by djdhrubs

Sorry to go back to Na$ri, but how instrumental was he to City's success? I'd say there were several other better performers than him in the City team last season. Na$ri just played well for 5 or 6 games, didn't he? Would they have lost the title without him? I don't think so.

Assuming Dzeko and Tevez leave City, and RVP joins, how many games is he gonna start for City? Presumably, at his age, he'd want to be an automatic starter in the 1st team, and he may well be. But that means Mario Ballerina isn't gonna start a lot of games, right? That won't go down too well.

Nasri started the majority of our games and contributed to the title winning team like several other players. Was he our best? Nope. But then our team has got several stars who all contributed in there own way.

And as for the point about starting for City every game. In my opinion he would be first choice, especially as you say, if Dzeko and Tevez leave. He would be alongside Aguero.

The number of games we are expecting to play, we need more than 11 first choice players. The game is more and more about a squad of 25, especially if you factor in injuries, suspensions and the intention to go as far as possible in every competition.

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by liamt

Abbeygoo - im sure there is. but they must be nervous in the back of their mind about what antics he will get up to.

Yep, I know it will make some clubs think twice about taking him.

Needless to say, when his head is right, he is a top, top player. Who knows, he might end up staying at City where he appears to have sorted his personal issues out and is obviously earning a load of cash. Winning the Premier League will have helped make his mind up.

I can see it going either way tbh. Mancini might be thinking of moving him on because of what happened, equally Mancini knows that Tevez back to form would be a tremendous part of our squad, particularly with the way he can play either as a striker or behind Aguero.

[djdhrubs]

Originally Posted by liamt

im not sure united will get him. he is a better striker than rooney, for sure but SAF has said we are keeping rooney, chicharito, welbeck (superb at euros) and has some good youth strikers too.

I really hope United don't get him. I know we're selling Berba, and Owen is leaving, but in my opinion the 3 strikers we have is fine.

Any money we do have needs to be spent first on central midfield, then on a full back. Buying RVP would mean starting him in most games, at the expense of Welbeck and Chicarito, who both need regular games to keep developing and improving.

[Stu V]

Originally Posted by djdhrubs

I disagree with some of the comments made in the last few posts. I think money is always a big factor, even in the latter years. Why has Drogba gone to China? Whyd did Becks go to the USA, or Lineker-son to Japan in the latter part of his career? Cashing in when you've got someone who's willing to pay out is part of the game.

Those players were signing their last big contracts before retiring and had won trophies. RVP isn't and hasn't.

Originally Posted by djdhrubs

, I keep hearing about how trophies are very important. Yes, of course they are, but surely a player wants to feel like he's earned a trophy, rather than simply joining a team cos they're likely to win one?

But finishing in a CL qualifying is far more important than winning trophies in your view and something RVP has achieved every year. How else do you earn other than being in the squad and playing to your potential when selected?

Originally Posted by djdhrubs

to go back to Na$ri, but how instrumental was he to City's success? I'd say there were several other better performers than him in the City team last season. Na$ri just played well for 5 or 6 games, didn't he? Would they have lost the title without him? I don't think so.

Yet he went to City to win trophies. He's piggy-backed on other players' good performances and won a trophy. Is that what a career is all about?

You really need to get over Nasri and the fact that players may choose another club over yours for reasons other than money

[djdhrubs]

Originally Posted by Abbeygoo

I can see it going either way tbh. Mancini might be thinking of moving him on because of what happened, equally Mancini knows that Tevez back to form would be a tremendous part of our squad, particularly with the way he can play either as a striker or behind Aguero.

Sure, but you can't have both him and RVP, as it would then be very unlikely that both would start games regularly.

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by djdhrubs

Sure, but you can't have both him and RVP, as it would then be very unlikely that both would start games regularly.

Yes we can.

And I'm not sure you can say who will start regularly and who won't.

The squad will contain 25 players, just like everyone else's. From that, we will choose the best 11 players each week to win the game. If we sign RvP, he will be a big part of that.

Mancini knows how to rotate the squad and keep everyone fresh - the demands on the team will be bigger than normal next season simply because of the games we are expecting (hoping) to play.

Remember, City had the best injury record last season and I know that is linked to the ability of being able to rest players at key points and have similar quality players ready to play.

[djdhrubs]

Originally Posted by Stu V

But finishing in a CL qualifying is far more important than winning trophies in your view and something RVP has achieved every year. How else do you earn other than being in the squad and playing to your potential when selected?

Remind yourself of RVP's statement. There's a teeny weeny brief mention of trophies. There's more about the future direction of Arsenal FC, and that he disagrees with Wenger and Gazidis about how Arsenal should 'move forward'!

That sounds like a whole load of nonsense to me.

By the way, I never said that finishing in CL qualifying is far more important than winning trophies! I said that top players want to feel like they've earned a trophy.

In my view, being a peripheral part of a squad that wins 3 trophies is not as good an achievement as being a major contributor to a team that wins 1 trophy.

But all this talk of trophies isn't really what's bothering RVP anyway. He wants to leave cos he doesn't share the vision of how Arsenal should move forward!

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by djdhrubs

But all this talk of trophies isn't really what's bothering RVP anyway. He wants to leave cos he doesn't share the vision of how Arsenal should move forward!

What do you think the difference is between Arsenal and RvP's "vision"?

[Inked]

Originally Posted by Abbeygoo

What do you think the difference is between Arsenal and RvP's "vision"?

About £100,000 a week

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by Inked

About £100,000 a week

Lol .... quality!

[djdhrubs]

Originally Posted by Inked

About £100,000 a week

In all seriousness Abbeygoo, yes.

I think that bit of the statement about discussing Arsenal's future vision is a load of nonsense. I don't think he ever had any meaningful discussions about that with Wenger and Gazidis.

He makes a particular point of saying that money was not discussed. I think that's another lie. If you're negotiating a new contract, you talk about money.

I think if Arsenal increase their contract offer, he'd accept it and then release a statement saying something along the lines of 'after further discussions with Mr Wenger, whom I admire and respect greatly, I have received the assurances I sought all along about the future direction of this club, and I'm looking forward to ending my career with Arsenal'!

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by djdhrubs

In all seriousness Abbeygoo, yes.

I think that bit of the statement about discussing Arsenal's future vision is a load of nonsense. I don't think he ever had any meaningful discussions about that with Wenger and Gazidis.

He makes a particular point of saying that money was not discussed. I think that's another lie. If you're negotiating a new contract, you talk about money.

It's interesting that you think he lied twice then about having a discussion with Wenger and Gazidis and that he also lied that a contract was not discussed.

You have absolutely no foundation to make these statements. You are saying that Van Persie lied twice in his official statement? You might not agree with it or you could question his motivation behind making it but to categorically state that he is lying is poor.

None of us know his reasons but one thing is certain - you have absolutely no knowledge at all of the events to state that he is lying.

[Coffin]

Originally Posted by Abbeygoo

Will be interesting to see what happens.

If City want to pay big money for yet another Arsenal player who doesn't want to represent us anymore, I've no problems with that

Clearly it's not ideal he goes to a domestic rival but it's more important to me a player is sold and cashed in rather than leave on a free, even more so that he doesn't want to be there

The club comes before everything. I have no empathy towards these multimillioaire prima donnas

We've had fantasic value out of our £2.75m RvP. A 8 fold profit for a 29 year old is all good for me

Roll on '12-13

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by Coffin

If City want to pay big money for yet another Arsenal player who doesn't want to represent us anymore, I've no problems with that

Shouldn't you be thinking more of why it keeps happening?

[djdhrubs]

Originally Posted by Abbeygoo

It's interesting that you think he lied twice then about having a discussion with Wenger and Gazidis and that he also lied that a contract was not discussed.

You have absolutely no foundation to make these statements. You are saying that Van Persie lied twice in his official statement? You might not agree with it or you could question his motivation behind making it but to categorically state that he is lying is poor.

None of us know his reasons but one thing is certain - you have absolutely no knowledge at all of the events to state that he is lying.

You're right. I wasn't a fly on the wall. But it's extremely unlikely that what he says happened actually happened as it did.

I'm not saying he didn't meet Wenger and Gazidis. I'm saying that in that meeting, it's massively unlikely that he would have openly discussed club strategy with them, and not discussed his own contract.

I also think it's very unlikely that Wenger and Gazidis would tell him something about club strategy and vision going forward, and then for him to sit there and disagree with it.

Can you imagine the discussion?

RVP: I don't want to talk about any details about my contract today, and wages etc. I'd like to hear about your vision for how Arsenal FC move forward.

Wenger and Gazidis: To tell the truth, it's unlikely we're gonna win many trophies in the near future. We're gonna keep spending tight, get on top of our high wage bill, and just aim for a top 4 finish.

RVP: I don't share that vision. I want Arsenal to buy top players, and win trophies.

Wenger and Gazidis: Nah, not gonna happen. Anyway, let's talk about your new contract.

RVP: No, I'm not here to talk about money or my own contract. I don't care about money. I wanted to talk club strategy. Your vision isn't the same as mine. Laterz.



If Wenger and Gazidis really spoke to him about club strategy, they'd have given him all the assurances he needed. They've already bought 2 good players, which doesn't send out a message of being unambitious.

Sorry mate, but RVP is fibbing. If you believe what his statement says, you're very naive.

[Coffin]

I know why it keeps happening..

We are building the platform for a football club which will soon be debt free and self sufficient whereas our rivals have the capacity to spend folds more money than us, not only in transfer fees but salaries, which are just as important nowadays

At this moment in time, having built a £.5bn stadium, we can't match it. But we will eventually, it will just take time

The culture of modern football players remaining at clubs for years on end has long since passed

Honestly, hand on heart, the only players I am dissapointed Wenger has let go in recent times are Flamini and Fabregas

Flamini, as he had a great season and perfect partnership with Fabregas. Did the former make the right decision? I don't know. But his record of 100 appearances in 4 seasons would suggest not. Perhaps he enjoys the Milan life, pasta, wine...plus sitting on the bench Note his international career also ended when he joined Meelan

Fabregas? What can you say. Catalan through and through. He was always going to go, the question was when not if

Clichy, Adebayor, Toure, Nasri -

[jabintendo]

Now the ownership power struggle will commence with red and white holding questioning the club with their open letter.

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by djdhrubs

Sorry mate, but RVP is fibbing. If you believe what his statement says, you're very naive.

You have come straight out and said that he is lying - with no foundation at all.

[liamt]

Originally Posted by Abbeygoo

Shouldn't you be thinking more of why it keeps happening?

because you have more money and keep tapping players up

[djdhrubs]

Originally Posted by Abbeygoo

You have come straight out and said that he is lying - with no foundation at all.

No foundation?! How about that his statement doesn't make sense and is massively unlikely. That's a pretty good foundation isn't it?!

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by Coffin

I know why it keeps happening..

That's fair enough pal.

You must be disappointed if Van Persie leaves. He was brilliant for you last season and almost single handedly took you into 3rd spot.

I appreciate he might not be your favourite player but to turn your back so quickly on him is a bit poor. Funny that players get criticised for having no loyalty at all to a club but as soon as they want to move, they are instantly turned into judas.

We are all fickle this way - no better example than Mr Rooney over at United.

[kopchoir]

Originally Posted by Coffin

I know why it keeps happening..

We are building the platform for a football club which will soon be debt free and self sufficient whereas our rivals have the capacity to spend folds more money than us, not only in transfer fees but salaries, which are just as important nowadays

At this moment in time, having built a £.5bn stadium, we can't match it. But we will eventually, it will just take time

The culture of modern football players remaining at clubs for years on end has long since passed

Honestly, hand on heart, the only players I am dissapointed Wenger has let go in recent times are Flamini and Fabregas

Flamini, as he had a great season and perfect partnership with Fabregas. Did the former make the right decision? I don't know. But his record of 100 appearances in 4 seasons would suggest not. Perhaps he enjoys the Milan life, pasta, wine...plus sitting on the bench Note his international career also ended when he joined Meelan

Fabregas? What can you say. Catalan through and through. He was always going to go, the question was when not if

Clichy, Adebayor, Toure, Nasri -

Not being funny though,the owners of your club what attracted them to Arsenal.??

A manager who buys kids moulds them into good players and sells them at their height of their value. He also doesn't spend lots of money.

London price per seat is guaranteed money I'll dig a link out on this,with Lfc own possible moves to a new stadium.
Do you know how much a ticket is at the emirates for a CAT A game. ??

London highbury land price is high so not going to loose only gain.

CL cash cow is regular income.

Sorry but it's not about being Debt free it's about making as much money as possible,like the owners of my team the glazers.
3 biggest clubs in England are owned by folk who only want paying.

[Abbeygoo]

Originally Posted by liamt

because you have more money and keep tapping players up

Not sure on the tapping up but we have taken advantage of the situation at Arsenal before .... plus, we haven't even signed him yet!!

Originally Posted by djdhrubs

No foundation?! How about that his statement doesn't make sense and is massively unlikely. That's a pretty good foundation isn't it?!

No it isn't.

You have stated more than once that Van Persie is lying about having discussions with Wenger and the fact that he didn't discuss financial terms. If he was lying about these things then he deserves to be hauled over the coles by Arsenal and made to apologise and withdraw his comments.

It might not make sense to you. You may feel it is unlikely. But to say he is lying is not a judgement you can make from the information you have.